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cigsandcoffee

(2,300 posts)
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:16 AM Oct 2013

Should the Dutch ditch 'Black Pete?'

I guess they have their own Redskins debacle going on.


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Dutch fury over UN body's 'Black Pete' racism charge


A Facebook petition supporting a Dutch Christmas character called "Black Pete" on Wednesday hit a million 'likes', revealing the liberal nation's attachment to a beloved figure the UN has warned may be racist.

Anger over the issue has swept the Netherlands after a UN human rights body said it was assessing whether "Zwarte Piet", who accompanies Saint Nicholas during a traditional children's festival before Christmas, is racist.

The character, who arrives on a gift-filled boat from Spain, is typically decked out in a gaudy medieval costume and afro wig, with his face painted black and lips red, prompting criticism of racial stereotyping.

Opponents say the character recalls when Dutch colonists exploited slaves, notably in the Caribbean colonies of Suriname and Curacao, while supporters are offended at the suggestion that a character so central to Dutch culture could be racist.


http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/131023/dutch-fury-over-un-bodys-black-pete-racism-charge

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Should the Dutch ditch 'Black Pete?' (Original Post) cigsandcoffee Oct 2013 OP
It harkens back to when the Moors ran Spain. Turbineguy Oct 2013 #1
Actually the character comes from a book written in 1845 Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #2
It's also part of Belgian holiday tradition RainDog Oct 2013 #4
i'd like to see more krampus datasuspect Oct 2013 #3
there's a krampus celebration in my burg RainDog Oct 2013 #5
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
2. Actually the character comes from a book written in 1845
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 09:31 AM
Oct 2013

Amsterdam-based primary school teacher Jan Schenkman writes the book Sint Nicolaas en zijn Knecht ("Saint Nicholas and his Servant&quot . This is the first time that a Spanish servant character is introduced into the Saint Nicholas narrative. The servant is described as a page boy or man, and is depicted as a dark person wearing clothes associated with Moors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
4. It's also part of Belgian holiday tradition
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:48 AM
Oct 2013

But it came from the Dutch.

When I first attended a Sint Niklaas celebration, I was bothered by the blackface - which is what it is. Al Jolson kinda of thing. The person who portrays ZP also wears an afro.

But most of the Dutch and Belgians I know didn't think it was offensive because it's part of their holiday celebration for children.

There's a song about Sint Niklaas coming from Spain on a steamboat with his helper, Zwarte Piet. Piet hands out candy. Sint Niklaas tells the kids about good things they did (because parents slip a note to the person playing SN.) Children read poems about their year. SN is dressed like a bishop, not the American version of Clement Moore's tale, and ZP is dressed in medieval, or so it seems, breeches, cap.

It's another one of those cultural issues - like the name of sports teams, etc. that isn't deemed offensive by those who aren't portrayed as a caricature. But I can certainly understand why it would be offensive. Like I said, the first time I saw it... I thought it was sort of offensive myself, even tho it wasn't mean as a harmful thing.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
5. there's a krampus celebration in my burg
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:50 AM
Oct 2013

just started recently. too creepy for me. the costumes were scary.

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