The vast majority of Democrats stand with her.

Do you have a link with poll results saying that most Democrats stand with her?

I say DWS needs to stop with the false equivalency. And for what it's worth I stand with Alan Grayson!

He just made that up.

Great.

And Debbie is 100% correct.

her opinion.

She's just adding to the false-equivalency and enabling the teabaggers and their racist bullshit.

Why the fuck are Dems so quick to speak out against their own in order to enable the teabaggers? Why do they want them to be such a force to be reckoned with? It's long past time to call them out for what they are and shut that rhetoric down.

his over the top rhetoric.

He's every bit as wrong as the Teabaggers are when they pull the shit.

The tea party is a coalition of hate groups.

When did the Teabaggers engage in racial violence at a teabagger rally?

The KKK is a helluva lot worse than that level of racism.

Racists have engaged in that sort of behavior forever, but only a very few of them were ever to the level of the KKK.

The Knights Party, which has almost the exact same political platform as the Republican Party.

But it is like American Express, they never leave home without it.

Now, had he compared them to the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), he'd have been right on target.

But that doesn't juice up a base like using the KKK as the rhetorical vehicle.

It's like how the teabaggers juice up their base by talking about how Obama is a Muslim Communist.

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He did not precisely say that or you would have a quote.

I agree he could have used CCC but I don't disagree with him using KKK. But that is his style. And it calls attention to a very real problem with the Tea Party, they are white supremacists because everything they do is to slander other races and keep them down and hurt them.

Also, I'm not sure of your idea that there have been no Tea Party incidents of violence. It doesn't have to just be at a rally, you know that would be kind of stupid to do it when the media is there. It's a mindset and I would bet if you googled you would find incidents of racist violence by those who consider themselves Tea Party members/supporters. Of course one could never prove that because it's not an official party.

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I just saw that pic that was with the email that I hadn't seen before - well I had seen the pic but I didn't know it came from his email. I agree that is over the top for a congressperson. Would not be surprised to see it in the general public though. I still believe that a comparison doesn't mean they are exactly like the KKK but it is worse than just the words saying "no more popular than the klan", which is what I knew about.

Also, I still believe that DWS shouldn't denounce it publicly. Why do it? It just weakens Dems and gives the baggers ammo. It enables them at a time when they need to be disabled.

Just a couple weeks ago. And the early teabagger rallies had white supremicist groups manning tables openly signing up members. Grayson is 100% correct, the Tea Party is largely comprised of open racists. And DWS never met a RWer she didn't cosy up to...she endorsed RW Cubans in Miami districts rather than progressive challengers several years ago. She's a corporatist DLC slimeball holding a seat a progressive could easily win.

If the media and Dems would stop enabling them by acting like they are respectable, mature human beings maybe they wouldn't be in elected office right now. They should not be given the time of day, they should not be spoken to as if they are not crazy, not racist and not stupid.

What he did is NOTHING like what the teabaggers do. NOTHING LIKE IT.

Show me where he is wrong. And also how is it dangerous for him to vocalize this?

He exaggerated, heavily.

The KKK is a domestic terrorist organization that engages in racial violence.

There has been no known cases of teabagger instigated racial violence.

KKK-like.

They join the teabaggers.

And not only is business friendly, but enables the Republicans for much of what they do and want to do?

Being DLC is not a good thing for getting this country back on track. In fact they are the ones that actually derailed it by supporting Center and Right of Center, over Liberals and Progressives. All to often the elections choices were Democratic Right and Republican farther Right, with each election, dragging the Democratic Party more and more to the Right each time.

Wasserman-Schulz chairs the Democratic National Committee, not the Democratic Leadership Council (third party group actually outside the Democratic Party).

The DLC seeks to drive the party in their direction.

The DNC runs the party on a national level.

In effect, the DNC became the DLC in all but name.
Read this and weep.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council

Political Hacks drove Howard Dean away, as punishment for actually being effective.

He was a true Progressive, and I believe he still is. Wish his old troops would realign and help him run again and win this time....

But the DLC will not help. They want some woman we all know to be president. Alas, woe is me.

Wish there were more of his type!

Instead, he engaged in over the top rhetoric.

Calling out the racist behavior, fine.

Comparing them to a domestic terrorist ornaization with a history of racial violence? Over the top.

better set this one out. We are in a fucking class war and losing badly. Things are going to get a little heated. It's way past time for "over the top rhetoric".

There are only two sides in this fight, the 1% with their conservative brown shirts and the 99% with Rep Grayson speaking for us. Pick a side.

I will support primary challengers to them.

you wantB grayson's seat to go back to the Florida GOP. Then again, so does Debbie, since the last time he was challengeed, she was quieter than a ninja churchmouse. The onyl people she speaks of as friends are Florida republicans, and Hillary, which says a lot about Debbie.

Trust me, I live down here, I know debbie's game, and she has played it for years.

"You have the Republicans, who want to literally drag us all the way back to Jim Crow laws and literally-and very transparently-block access to the polls to voters who are more likely to vote for Democratic candidates than Republican candidates."

just because she has an aversion to the truth she has spoken (but did manage to avoid crying, unlike Dickless Durbin in the wake of his "gulag" comparison to GITMO during the Bush admin) hardly means everyone should share her pov on the matter.

Grayson has stood by his comparison. "If the hood fits, wear it," he said. "The Tea Party has engaged in relentless racist attacks against our African-American President. For example, when the President visited my home of Orlando, Tea Party protesters shouted 'Kenyan Go Home.' Other examples include Tea Party chants of 'Bye Bye, Blackbird,' and Tea Party posters saying 'Obama’s Plan: White Slavery,' 'Imam Obama Wants to Ban Pork' and 'The Zoo Has An African Lion, and the White House Has a Lyin’ African.'"

Many of the racists participating in the Stormfront discussion say they themselves are either tea party members or have attended multiple tea party meetings. But, to be sure, the tea party has quite literally millions of supporters and many, many of those people are not remotely racist, as the racists on Stormfront readily lament. And even the examples of racist language and signage at tea party rallies pales in comparison to the domestic terrorism carried out by the KKK -- cross-burning, beatings, lynchings, bombings, murder.

Yet, the Stormfront conversations show that the perception of the tea party as having a racist element is not merely held by Grayson or Rev. Al Sharpton, but is a view shared by the kind of people who would know. The comments below are copied from Stormfront and were made by people the site lists as having been longstanding members who have posted hundreds, and in most cases thousands, of times on the site, making it unlikely that they are liberal plants trying to make the tea party look bad. Quite the opposite: Many of the Neo Nazis below rushed to the tea party's defense when other white nationalists accused its members of being insufficiently racist. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/24/tea-party-racist_n_4158262.html?1382647526

The Tea Party is the KKK without the robes.

her main concern is in securing those dollar bill$.

She was spreading lies right and left.

Anyone could have predicted that.

... that have been instrumental in the country getting to where it is today.

that have really put this country where it is today.

Even as racist as the teabaggers have been, I have yet to hear about racial violence from their bigoted asses

Grayson was over the top. That is undeniable.

"There is no false equivalency in this

Grayson was over the top. That is undeniable"

Thanks for the laugh today, you are really amusing Sam. Also it is spelled it not ti.

No. I deny it.

... and they say it BECAUSE IT WORKS.

If Grayson was over the top, fine. DWS can show the way. Stop talking about "both sides". Start putting the blame where it lies: on the Republicans and their fostering of radicals willing to sacrifice the full faith and credit of the US Government.

I'm perfectly fine with a "good cop/bad cop" strategy: Grayson can be the bad boy while DWS and other party officials are more polite about holding the conservative (or as they call themselves, "moderate&quot Republicans to account for enabling their radical wing. But put the blame where it belongs.

Don't stay silent at a foul-mouthed stream of bile and then feel the need to speak when someone throws it back.

We wouldn't want our imagery to be unpleasant now, would we?

I tried restarting my iPad, but that isn't working, either. And it isn't because I am behind on renewing my star; I was Rec'cing posts up until a few days ago.

I told them I had stopped giving directly when they changed from Dean to Debbie. I did mention that she was a nice person, just not a good leader. Hope some of you will also tell them if you disagree with them.

I am not attacking those who do agree with her, we can agree to disagree in a civil manner but I just wanted them to know my point of view.

I'm rubber, your glue, what you say bounces off of me and sticks to you.

Glad to see another adult in the room. Thanks Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

She's doing what she thinks is best for the entire party.

I don't agree with the decision to call on Grayson to apologize...

But this kind of rhetoric directed at a DNC Chairwoman should be unacceptable.

.... it's just that SHE'S WRONG. The right talks like this and worse ALL THE TIME and they WIN ELECTIONS DOING SO.

We hear her calls for civility and reject them as inappropriate. You can't be civil with people who are engaging in a total war against you. I suspect she knows she's wrong, but feels she must say crap like this to keep the high ground in the public mind. She's wrong; the Republicans have revealed themselves and now is NOT the time to re-legitimize them with false statements about their good character.

This is the same crap that led to 2010. Obama kissed their asses and they still refused to work with him at all. Then they called him an arrogant dictator and claim he won't even talk to them, when he's bent over backwards to appease them. If DWS and the rest of the brain trust in the Democratic Party fall for this same trap again, I have to wonder if they want to fail.

She's not special. If anything she's more worthy of these attacks because she's the one making the decisions that warrant criticism.

Dissent is patriotic.

Always question authority and spot on, Dissent is patriotic!

I'm amazed how the lighthouse keepers, and the curious get diminished when they speak up, but the lemmings get all the play.

It's time to at the very least treat them humanely and not call them names. So they/we pickup on something. Maybe it's nothing at all or maybe it is.

Curious, for a "big" tent, we can be very particular.

*The price of freedom is forever vigilance*

-p

If that's true (and I doubt it) she should stop thinking so much.

...when she refused to campaign for DEMOCRATS in Florida (2008),
and instead helped REPUBLICANS get elected?


[font size=3]"This is unacceptable. Shame on you Debbie"[/font]

remember the jerk waving the conferderate flag in front of the white house? please show me a "both sides" equivalent of that.

Thanks for standing in solidarity with your fellow Dems, Debs.

Sorry, Debbie, this isn't rhetoric, it's fact.

It's so patronizing. My exboyfriend, a Republican, used to try and use it on me. I love seeing the tides turned. It is sort if like saying the poor dears just don't know any better.
Bawhahaahhhaaaahhhaaaa!!!!

I'm in such a weird mood today. Sorry.

I stand firm and united with the democratic wing of the democratic party and it's fine representative - Alan Grayson! DWS is part of what's wrong with our party in way too many instances.

Moderate the view of the party. All that good stuff that comes with that thankless job. I'd prefer Grayson be the party leader to be frank.

I wondered what was up. Yep, those,John Birtchers, are just one step out of the robes and hoods. Racism is the common denominator. The teabaggers are their evil spawn.

ALAN IS RIGHT!!!

If the hood fit, they need to wear it!

... spineless whiners like that waste of space.

...I think that is getting close to Tea Party territory. We cannot be like them and expect to be different.

She's part of the problem.

Don't you think that's what a teabagger would say about her? Jeez, let's not play the other side's game.

The both sides do it argument is not only lame, but it's patently untrue.

Fuck her.

They're pro-choice republicans who pay lip-service to the party they hijacked.

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helped to undermine the Democratic party by pulling them to the right. 1st we got Clinton, then Obama, now people want Clinton again. And we wonder why the Dems can't be very effective. Taking the high road is up to one's definition of what that might be, but if a politician that I'm voting for plunges me into an economic abyss because of their definition of the "high road" then excuse me but she can take my middle finger off my cold and dead body as well.

How fucking pretentious!

Fuck her and her High road, which doesn't help me and my family stay fed and a roof over our heads.

The R's have been beating us over the head with there sound bytes and media exposure, and we're going to sit there and take it?



-p

but does it also require that they be annoying?