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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 05:30 PM Oct 2013

Enemy of the State: How Glenn Greenwald is taking on the world, and why he'll never stop.

http://www.advocate.com/print-issue/current-issue/2013/10/24/enemy-state


One of the problems with political ideologues is that they can be such a drag. While I’ve always admired Greenwald’s work — rigorous 3,000-word columns packed with hyperlinks to federal court documents, obscure government memoranda, and dissident dispatches by foreign bloggers — I worried that in the flesh, Greenwald would be grim, cold, and wonky. His obsession with surveillance and privacy issues have made him into an ideological pillar of the rather sterile, unfriendly world of civil libertarian politics, a group not known for its warmth and humanism.

My hesitation dissipates the instant Greenwald and Miranda pick me up off an Ipanema boulevard in their red mini station wagon. I’m tagging along with the couple to a photo shoot for a feature spread (fully clothed) for the Brazilian edition of Playboy. “It’s a very tasteful magazine,” Greenwald insists. “It’s run by gays!” With Katy Perry playing on the radio, we spend our first hour together mostly talking about Cesar Millan and the tyrannical nature of chihuahuas. Miranda, who has found his own global acclaim and notoriety since being detained at Heathrow, is on his phone trying to coordinate picking up scalped tickets to a sold-out Bon Jovi/Nickleback concert in Rio. “I am going to this concert!” he declares. Greenwald credits Miranda, a Brazilian native who is currently finishing a degree in communications, for his success in journalism. “He’s like my Svengali,” says Greenwald.

Greenwald, 46, met Miranda, 28, in 2005, on the first day of a two-month vacation in Rio. At the time, Greenwald was just beginning to transition from his job as a constitutional law litigator to fiery polemicist. He was reading on the beach at Copacabana; Miranda was playing beach volleyball. Miranda’s beach ball rolled onto Greenwald’s towel: “Oi! Meu nome é Glenn.” They moved in together that week. “As a gay man, when you come to Rio for seven weeks, you’re not looking for a relationship,” Greenwald says with a bawdy laugh, “but I never fell in love so fast.”

.....

Greenwald and Miranda never moved to the U.S. together because, until the Supreme Court struck down the Defense of Marriage Act in June, Miranda could not get an immigration visa. “For eight years we didn’t have that option,” Greenwald says, “but then, literally the week DOMA got struck down, this other little barrier to living in the United States popped up: I might be arrested indefinitely the second I got off the plane.”

Not that Brazil has been some kind of tropical detention center for Greenwald: “Rio is the best fucking place in the world,” he says as we cruise along the white sands of Copacabana. “The people and the culture have taught me a different way to live; it’s all spoken to my soul since I got here. The U.S. is more concerned with being an actor in the world and influencing the world. You don’t have to be here too long to figure out there’s never any thought at any time of invading another country. I mean, I assume if Argentina invaded Brazil for some reason then, yes, OK, but you realize when staying in another country that the notion of constant invasion is extremely radical.”

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Enemy of the State: How Glenn Greenwald is taking on the world, and why he'll never stop. (Original Post) Luminous Animal Oct 2013 OP
It's a long read but great fun and as HuffPo says,"This Glenn Greenwald Profile Is The Best One Yet" Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #1
He cares about the issues Democrats claim to, and certainly did sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #42
Yep. And Democrats who try to demonize him a experiencing a similar glorious Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #43
For once in my life I agree wholeheartedly with Greenwald: Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #2
Greenwald isn't taking on the world, just the US government. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #3
Jeezus...I threw up a little at that. Nickleback? nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #4
"That was all David. I got nowhere near that." Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #5
Well, so much for loyalty to one's partner. Although with the age difference, one can hardly msanthrope Oct 2013 #6
Loyalty? Hahaha. My husband loves country and western. I let him drag me to 2-3 shows a year Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #9
But would you throw your hubby under the Nickelback bus? nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #13
Oh god, yes. Thankfully, Nickelback is not something I have to contend with. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #17
And he'll stop if Rand Paul becomes Prez Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #22
He takes on as he always has, Bush/Cheney policies. I can't imagine sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #44
Constant invasion is extremely radical dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #7
Seems Greenwald is a little late to the party brush Oct 2013 #8
Starting in 2005, he wrote a daily blog criticizing Bush and his admin. He also wrote 3 books doing Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #10
Let's not forget he was writing racist columns, too.... msanthrope Oct 2013 #12
Yes. And he was rightly slammed for it. Funny how you forgot to post this though Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #16
He was on the Koch payroll, too, wasn't he? He was on a lengthy stipend from CATO, IIRC. MADem Oct 2013 #32
Joseph McCarthy is that you? Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #37
If he says he wasn't employed by Cato he is lying--and calling me "McCarthy" isn't going to change MADem Oct 2013 #39
Really. For how long and what was the stipend? And was Kos and Wyden paid... Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #40
Don't plead with me to defend "Kos" and "Wyden." That's not how it works. MADem Oct 2013 #47
You act as though you are revealing deep dark secrets. Squawk! Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #49
No I don't...you're the one who started out denying it, and now you're trying to accuse me of MADem Oct 2013 #52
I've denied nothing. You are peddling in half truths. Yes. 16 pages of published material Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #53
They're "touting" the work of their "contributor" in order to raise his, and their, profile. MADem Oct 2013 #57
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #56
+1. nt pnwmom Oct 2013 #28
You're not very familiar with his work, are you? Since he burst on the sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #45
What? Nothing about Greenwald's IRS problems? randome Oct 2013 #11
Recommend! Fascinating Read! KoKo Oct 2013 #14
I've heard Greenwald speak several times and he's always been witty and gracious. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #15
Good article Autumn Oct 2013 #18
K&R just to get the reflexive Greenwald haters in a frenzy nt riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #19
lol's they have him on the list with Cindy Sheehan who exposed Bush in a Ditch KoKo Oct 2013 #20
Enemy of the World now? Does he get a cape and spandex with that? Rex Oct 2013 #21
It's FEAR of WHAT HAS BEEN EXPOSED! They are horrified that this could KoKo Oct 2013 #24
It is just funny watching people that normally hate CTs Rex Oct 2013 #27
Agree...and think that word hypocrisy has been expunged from School Rooms all KoKo Oct 2013 #29
Well I know we've both watched critical thinking disparaged on DU Rex Oct 2013 #31
The corporate-government propaganda MUST smear Glenn Greenwald woo me with science Oct 2013 #23
It's a HUGE STORY...that in other times would have been blaring from KoKo Oct 2013 #26
+10000000 woo me with science Oct 2013 #33
Pierre Omidyar is eliciting Greenwald because of Jeff Bezos. joshcryer Oct 2013 #30
Guardian Newspaper has three Investigations coming at them..One big one KoKo Oct 2013 #34
Well yeah, spying and surveillance is also a business. joshcryer Oct 2013 #35
I think what I'm reading is that you think KoKo Oct 2013 #36
That's the $250 million dollar question. joshcryer Oct 2013 #38
Greenwald will never be a corporate sell out. That is the fantasy of sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #46
Squawk! He worked for Cato. Squawk! He worked for Cato. Squawk! He worked for Cato. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #50
Huge K&R. Greenwald is a hero. woo me with science Oct 2013 #25
depends what the definition is STATE -is upi402 Oct 2013 #41
this just reminded me of Elaine Benes on Seinfeld in Europe with controlling Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #48
Isn't it weird that Elaine did! OMG! Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #51
It's a puff piece struggle4progress Oct 2013 #54
Absolutely! Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #55

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
42. He cares about the issues Democrats claim to, and certainly did
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 12:04 AM
Oct 2013

a good job of, pretending to care about during the Bush years.

Too bad some Dems abandoned their 'concerns' for Bush policies around 2009 and turned on those who refused to abandon the principles they care about, like Greenwald.

He hasn't changed since he managed to upset the Rar Right so much they made him a target for destruction.

Too bad they failed.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
2. For once in my life I agree wholeheartedly with Greenwald:
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 05:39 PM
Oct 2013
“Rio is the best fucking place in the world,” he says as we cruise along the white sands of Copacabana. “The people and the culture have taught me a different way to live; it’s all spoken to my soul since I got here..."

The only place where I've ever felt truly alive...
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. Greenwald isn't taking on the world, just the US government.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 05:41 PM
Oct 2013

Most scandalously, he's attending a Nickleback concert.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
6. Well, so much for loyalty to one's partner. Although with the age difference, one can hardly
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:19 PM
Oct 2013

expect them to have the same musical tastes.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
9. Loyalty? Hahaha. My husband loves country and western. I let him drag me to 2-3 shows a year
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:41 PM
Oct 2013

but there is no way in hell I'm going to go to the 20-30 shows he goes to.

We are near the same age.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
44. He takes on as he always has, Bush/Cheney policies. I can't imagine
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 12:06 AM
Oct 2013

why his continuing opposition to Bush Policies could possibly be a problem for any democrat. As far as I know, it isn't.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
7. Constant invasion is extremely radical
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:22 PM
Oct 2013
The U.S. is more concerned with being an actor in the world and influencing the world. You don’t have to be here too long to figure out there’s never any thought at any time of invading another country. I mean, I assume if Argentina invaded Brazil for some reason then, yes, OK, but you realize when staying in another country that the notion of constant invasion is extremely radical.”

brush

(53,791 posts)
8. Seems Greenwald is a little late to the party
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:32 PM
Oct 2013

It's pretty apparent that the President has shown extreme reluctance to invade other countries, i.e. Egypt, Libya, Syria. And good thing too because he accomplished more in getting rid of tyrants and chem weapons by not invading than Bush did with all his bombs and bluster.

Greenwald's 46, no innocent 20-something. Where was he 10 years ago at age 36 when Bush/Cheney were pushing the Patriot Act on us and invading Afghanistan and Iraq and authorizing the NSA?

Now he's apparently had an awakening and discovered that the NSA exists so he's going after Obama now like this president is the serial invader/spy master/Patriot Actor that he somehow missed being concerned about 10 years ago.

Hell, Greenwald, the NSA existed and was operating long before Obama — who just happened to have quite a few things on his plate when he took office — many big, big complex problems to try and solve, all the while being obstructed by other conservatard libertarians like yourself.

Did you notice he's just getting around to immigration reform this week — something he promised to do in 2008 — because of the huge plate load of intractable problems he's had to deal with?

And this president is the one who is helping smooth the way for gays to get married here and live normally, but you can't come back now can you? Ah the irony, the pro gay rights President being pilloried by a recently awakened and recently politicized libertarian journalist

What a pity.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
10. Starting in 2005, he wrote a daily blog criticizing Bush and his admin. He also wrote 3 books doing
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:44 PM
Oct 2013

the same. That's where he was.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
12. Let's not forget he was writing racist columns, too....
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:50 PM
Oct 2013
And yet few problems are more pressing. Over the past several years, illegal immigrants have poured into the United States by the millions. The wave of illegals entering the country is steadily increasing. The people living in the border states of California, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico know this flow has to be drastically slowed and then halted. The situation is so dire in that region that the Democratic Governors of Arizona and New Mexico were forced to declare States of Emergency as a result of the flow of illegals into their states and the resulting, massive problems which it brings.

The parade of evils caused by illegal immigration is widely known, and it gets worse every day. In short, illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone. Few people dispute this, and yet nothing is done.

SNIP......


But one of the most disturbing and destructive aspects of illegal immigration is that it is illegal. Indeed, that is the precise attribute which separates good immigration from bad immigration. Why should Republicans, or anyone, shy away from pointing out that illegal immigration, among its many evils, is “illegal”? That is just absurd. Moreover, it is precisely the fact that illegal immigrants enter the country illegally that spawns justifiable resentment, not only among large clusters of middle-of-the-road voters, but also among the very legal immigrant population about which Sanchez is so concerned. Emphasizing the "illegal" part of this problem is what Republicans need to do more of, not less.

SNIP..

The real irony here is that the problem of illegal immigration is actually one of the very few of the ever-dwindling number of issues that has the opportunity to forge common ground among factions of voters which are, these days, engaged in a ceaseless war with each other. Being worried, and outraged, about illegal immigration is not confined to the extreme precincts of conservatism. Middle-class suburban voters whose primary concerns are local and pragmatic, rather than ideological, know the danger which illegal immigration poses to their communities and to their states, and they want something done about it.

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/gop-fights-itself-on-illegal.html


Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
16. Yes. And he was rightly slammed for it. Funny how you forgot to post this though
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 08:14 PM
Oct 2013
That was a 6 yrs ago: 3 weeks after I began blogging, when I had zero readers. I've discussed many times before how there were many uninformed things I believed back then, before I focused on politics full-time - due to uncritically ingesting conventional wisdom, propaganda, etc. I've written many times since then about how immigrants are exploited by the Right for fear-mongering purposes. I'm 100% in favor of amnesty, think defeat of the DREAM Act was an act of evil, etc. That said, I do think illegal immigration is a serious problem: having millions of people live without legal rights; having a legal scheme that is so pervasively disregarded breeds contempt for the rule of law; virtually every country - not just the U.S. insists on border control because having a manageable immigration process is vital on multiple levels. But that post is something I wrote literally a few weeks after I began blogging when nobody was reading my blog; it was anything but thoughtful, contemplative, and informed, and - like so many things I thought were true then - has nothing to do with what I believe now.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. He was on the Koch payroll, too, wasn't he? He was on a lengthy stipend from CATO, IIRC.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 09:16 PM
Oct 2013

Weren't those columns and other utterances written with Koch grants?

I think there's more to this guy than meets the eye. He's got an agenda, and it is closer to Rand Paul than Bernie Sanders.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
37. Joseph McCarthy is that you?
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:15 PM
Oct 2013
http://ggsidedocs.blogspot.com/2013/01/frequently-told-lies-ftls.html

I am not now, nor have I ever been, employed by the Cato Institute. Nor have I ever been affiliated with the Cato Institute in any way. The McCarthyite tone of the denials is appropriate given the McCarthyite nature of the lie.

In seven-plus years of political writing, I have written a grand total of twice for Cato: the first was a 2009 report on the success of drug decriminalization in Portugal, and the second was a 2010 online debate in which I argued against former Bush officials about the evils of the surveillance state.

I not only disclosed those writings but wrote about them and featured them multiple times on my blog as it happened: see here and here as but two examples. In 2008, I spoke at a Cato event on the radicalism and destructiveness of Bush/Cheney executive power theories.


That's the grand total of all the work I ever did for or with Cato in my life. The fees for those two papers and that one speech were my standard writing and speaking fees. Those payments are a miniscule, microscopic fraction of my writing and speaking income over the last 7 years. I have done no paying work of any kind with them since that online surveillance debate in 2010 (I spoke three times at Cato for free: once to debate the theme of my 2007 book on the failure of the Bush administration, and twice when I presented my paper advocating drug decriminalization).

I have done far more work for, and received far greater payments from, the ACLU, with which I consulted for two years (see here). I spoke at the Socialism Conference twice - once in 2011 and once in 2012 - and will almost certainly do so again in 2013. I'll speak or write basically anywhere where I can have my ideas heard without any constraints. Moreover, I'll work with almost anyone - the ACLU, Cato or anyone else - to end the evils of the Drug War and the Surveillance State. And I'll criticize anyone I think merits it, as I did quite harshly with the Koch Brothers in 2011: here.


The very suggestion that there is something wrong with writing for or speaking at CATO is inane and childish. The claim that it means I "worked at CATO" is just an obvious lie. If writing for or speaking at CATO makes one a right-wing CATO-employed libertarian, then say hello to the following right-wing libertarian CATO employees, all of whom have been writers for or speakers at the CATO Institute in the past:

Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas (Writing for CATO's Unbound: here and here);

Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden (speaking about surveillance issues at CATO in January, 2011, speaking again at CATO in July, 2012 about FISA, and favorably citing CATO);

Democratic Rep. Jared Polis (defending CATO as "a leader in fighting to end the war in Afghanistan and Iraq and helping to end the War on Drugs&quot .

the ACLU's Legislative Counsel Michelle Richardson (speaking at the CATO Institute's 2011 event on FISA);

Brown University Professor Glenn Loury (writing for CATO's Unbound);

liberal blogger and Clinton Treasury official Brad DeLong (writing for CATO's Unbound);

Harvard law Professor Lawrence Lessig (writing for CATO's Unbound);

liberal blogger and GWU Professor Henry Farrell (writing for CATO's Unbound); and

Wall Street critic and securities professor William Black (writing for CATO's Unbound).

Trying to judge someone for where they write or speak - rather than for the ideas they advocate - is about as anti-intellectual and McCarthyite as it gets. CATO has a far better record of advocacy than the mainstream Democratic Party on vital issues such as opposing the Drug War, secrecy abuses, the Surveillance State, marriage equality for LGBT citizens, anti-war activism, and reforming the excesses of America's penal state. They were attacking Bush and Cheney for power abuses (see here) and aggressive wars (see here) far earlier, and far more loudly, than most mainstream Democratic politicians

As is obvious, all sorts of liberals, progressives, and even leftists have written for or spoken at CATO. It's a think tank devoted to debate and discussion of public policy, and invites a wide range of speakers to participate.

I'm proud of all the advocacy work I've done against the evils of the Drug War and surveillance abuses -- whether it's at the ACLU, CATO, the Socialism Conference or anywhere else. That's why I write openly about all of that work. But the claim that I've ever worked at CATO or was in any way affiliated with them is just an outright lie.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
39. If he says he wasn't employed by Cato he is lying--and calling me "McCarthy" isn't going to change
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:53 PM
Oct 2013

that.

Nor is cutting/pasting reams of limp denial (where he tries to insist that CATO is "better" than the Democratic Party....yeah, sure! And call anyone Joe McCarthy who doesn't agree, too!!).

He was paid a stipend for them for a long period of time--see, that's when he was writing that "report" for CATO. He was also paid appearance fees for showing up at CATO insider/donor events.

Now, you can call that something other than "employment," but when he prayed "Give us this day our daily bread" his prayers were answered by Koch.

And it's not being "Joe McCarthy" to point that fact out. But yelling "Joe McCarthy" at people who point out these facts? Why, that's something interestingly pathetic and humorous, right there!!

Yours is the funniest (albeit, I'm sure, unintentionally so) post I've read today.

And then, of course, there's this.....


http://www.cato-unbound.org/contributors/glenn-greenwald


Glenn Greenwald is a constitutional lawyer and widely read blogger for Salon.com. His work has focused on civil liberties, the expansion of federal power, and the loss of transparency in government.

He has also been published by The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, and The American Conservative, as well as the Cato Institute. He is the author of the books A Tragic Legacy (2007) and How Would a Patriot Act? (2006).

Greenwald is routinely cited as one of the most influential American pundits active today. He holds a B.A. from George Washington University and a J.D. from New York University Law School.


I guess he "contributes" out of the goodness of his heart, is that it?



Why don't you call me another derogatory name, yeah, that's the ticket!!!!


But before you do that, watch this video, where he acknowledges his association with CATO goes back to 2008...



Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
40. Really. For how long and what was the stipend? And was Kos and Wyden paid...
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 11:56 PM
Oct 2013

and, of so, why haven't you highlighted this whenever they are brought up here.

No. He did not work for Cato. He wrote a white paper about Portugal's decriminalization of drugs and he gave a few speeches about that report.

Have you read it? It was cited all over the MSM news at the time and it is a very successful program.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
47. Don't plead with me to defend "Kos" and "Wyden." That's not how it works.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 12:58 AM
Oct 2013

I don't care about them. And don't plead with me to read GG's little report. "But....but....it was GOOOD!!!!!!" So what? It was work product that he sold to CATO for a stipend that enabled him to live while he performed the service--in other words, he was EMPLOYED by CATO. That's the bottom line. You want to know how much he charged? You'll have to ask him. I'm sure it was a good wage the Koch brothers paid him, otherwise he wouldn't KEEP COMING BACK to them. Over and over again--for years.

As he said in the clip, his association with them "BEGAN" in 2008. He was delivering lectures and reports for the two--no, three, at least-- years following that, http://www.cato.org/events/ending-global-war-drugs all under the CATO umbrella. He was also attending "inner circle" parties, and they gave him an award. They list him as a "contributor."

Keep whistling past the graveyard if you'd like. Only someone with a desperate need to believe would think he was "volunteering" to help them. He was getting paid. He WORKED FOR them.

I mean, come on. If you want to "like" the guy, fine, but he has self - declared that he does not identify with liberal/progressive perspectives. He is what he is, and like I said, he's more comfy with Rand Paul than Bernie Sanders. Deal with it.

https://twitter.com/Gus_802/statuses/351554938704371714




EDIT: Ooops, I made a mistake--Greenwald's association with CATO goes back to 2007, at least!!!
http://www.cato.org/events/tragic-legacy-how-good-vs-evil-mentality-destroyed-bush-presidency

Those Koch brothers must be very pleased with him. They spent enough time grooming him, it looks like...

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
49. You act as though you are revealing deep dark secrets. Squawk!
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 02:04 AM
Oct 2013
I have done no paying work of any kind with them since that online surveillance debate in 2010 (I spoke three times at Cato for free: once to debate the theme of my 2007 book on the failure of the Bush administration, and twice when I presented my paper advocating drug decriminalization).


Hey, did you know that Al Gore invented the internet and Obama is a Kenyan? Squawk!


MADem

(135,425 posts)
52. No I don't...you're the one who started out denying it, and now you're trying to accuse me of
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 02:25 AM
Oct 2013

shading the points I made? Come on! And then you're trying to play a wingnut smear game! You really should be ashamed of yourself.

Greenwald's association with the Koch-funded Cato Institute is certainly no secret. And I doubt he did anything "for free"--those appearances were probably part of his contract. Pre-paid, not "free."

After all, they've got sixteen pages of GG references--conferences, books, speeches, radio appearances, papers, articles, etc. -- listed on their website. They've PUBLISHED him. They tout him relentlessly.

http://www.cato.org/search/results/%2522glenn%2520greenwald%2522

He's their guy.

And Al Gore DID invent the internet--without his help, we never would have had ARPANET, and without that there would have been no internet--everyone knows that. Only wingnuts try to make something of it; what Al did was a good thing.

And Obama IS a Kenyan....a Kenyan-American; like JFK was Irish...an Irish American.

And there's not a damn thing wrong with that, I just don't understand why you would make creepy accusational suggestions that anyone might look askance at those things. Says a lot about you, that kind of behavior....

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
53. I've denied nothing. You are peddling in half truths. Yes. 16 pages of published material
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 03:03 AM
Oct 2013

that they linked to. 16 pages of INDEPENDENTLY PRODUCED MATERIAL. MATERIAL THAT CATO DID NOT COMMISSION OR PAY FOR BUT RATHER LINKED TO.

You are one of the most dishonest persons on this board. The proof of that is that you chose not to link to those 16 pages so people, those interested in investigating your accusations, could see for themselves.

Yes. Joseph McCarthy, wave those papers in front of our face but when push comes to shove, you've got nothing.

Al Gore did not invent the internet. He has said as much himself. There is a BIG difference between inventing and enabling.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
57. They're "touting" the work of their "contributor" in order to raise his, and their, profile.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:39 PM
Oct 2013

Surely you can see that?

It's obvious to anyone without a bias that they are joined at their libertarian hips.

And calling me Joseph McCarthy, over and over again, is a personal insult. Calling me "one of the most dishonest persons on the board" is also a personal insult and you should be ashamed of yourself for saying that. It's not true, it's hurtful and disruptive, and it shows everyone here exactly how you "make your case."

By your own words we know you, and we know you all too well.

Luminous Animal
53. I've denied nothing. You are peddling in half truths. Yes. 16 pages of published material
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that they linked to. 16 pages of INDEPENDENTLY PRODUCED MATERIAL. MATERIAL THAT CATO DID NOT COMMISSION OR PAY FOR BUT RATHER LINKED TO.

You are one of the most dishonest persons on this board. The proof of that is that you chose not to link to those 16 pages so people, those interested in investigating your accusations, could see for themselves.

Yes. Joseph McCarthy, wave those papers in front of our face but when push comes to shove, you've got nothing.

Al Gore did not invent the internet. He has said as much himself. There is a BIG difference between inventing and enabling.

Response to MADem (Reply #39)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
45. You're not very familiar with his work, are you? Since he burst on the
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 12:11 AM
Oct 2013

Liberal scene in 2005 he fiercely opposed Bush's NSA spying on the American people.

Obama did not start these anti-Costitutional programs instituted by Bush, but he has defended them beginning with is disappointing vote for the Fisa Amendment which protected the Bush criminals, and wich nearly lost Obama the election.


Greenwald hasn't changed. But a few dems appear to have flip-flopped on these issues for some strange reason.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. What? Nothing about Greenwald's IRS problems?
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:48 PM
Oct 2013
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/greenwald-reporter-broke-nsa-story-lawyer-sued-porn-biz-article-1.1383448

The New York County Clerk’s office shows Greenwald has $126,000 in open judgments and liens against him dating to 2000, including a $21,000 from the state Tax Department and the city Department of Finance.

There’s no record of those debts being paid, but Greenwald said he believes he’s all caught up — although he’s still trying to pay down an old IRS judgment against him from his lawyer days.

Records show the IRS has an $85,000 lien against him.

Greenwald lives in Rio, because that’s where his boyfriend is. His tax problems didn’t drive him away.

“We’re negotiating over payment plans,” he said.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/greenwald-reporter-broke-nsa-story-lawyer-sued-porn-biz-article-1.1383448#ixzz2igcFJsft


Sure, I believe his tax problems have nothing to do with living in Rio.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
20. lol's they have him on the list with Cindy Sheehan who exposed Bush in a Ditch
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 08:47 PM
Oct 2013

in Texas...a person along with others who worked hard to get the TRUTH OUT...but now "UNDER THE BUS!" 's It's okay though...

There's a contingent who think that many of us "fell off a Turnip Truck." Know NUTTHING..Do, NUTTHING... Yet .....one has to consider...the sources.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
24. It's FEAR of WHAT HAS BEEN EXPOSED! They are horrified that this could
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 08:54 PM
Oct 2013

have happened since they did such a good job of CONTROL!

The Prisoners are Getting Anxious so "WE MUST RESORT to FORCE FEEDING INFOMATION"...might be what it is? Who knows...but, there's a ring of truth to this to me as a long time Democrat whose kind of seen it all.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
27. It is just funny watching people that normally hate CTs
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 08:57 PM
Oct 2013

and would fight tooth and nail to laugh CTs down by others...with so many of their own different conspiracies NOW about the NSA/GG/Snowden saga.

I guess they don't know what hypocrisy means.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
29. Agree...and think that word hypocrisy has been expunged from School Rooms all
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 09:01 PM
Oct 2013

across America along with our Major Ivy League Colleges and Universities who GROOM the POWER ELITE...these days...these days.

History Repeats... It doesn't even Rhyme anymore. It just F'ing REPEATS!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
31. Well I know we've both watched critical thinking disparaged on DU
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 09:10 PM
Oct 2013

over the years and on the rise here on DU3. The fear here is that these active players are out of reach for US authority. They could not corner and control the narrative (just like you said) and so now it is a wait and see game.

So far GG and Snowden have everyone running around pulling their hair out. The US has nothing, they tried to get Snowden and failed. GG has no need to live here and can report with impunity and at will.

And THAT scares the hell out of US authorities! We've watched them over the months in full panic mode.

This saga is far, far from over!

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
23. The corporate-government propaganda MUST smear Glenn Greenwald
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 08:52 PM
Oct 2013

to protect and obscure the corruption of our government by corporate interests.

Greenwald has revealed massive government criminality for corporate power, including the fact that the US government is now a surveillance state engaged in mass spying and storing data on its own citizens...

...and now we have evidence not only of US mass surveillance of its own citizens, but now also use of the NSA for corporate spying:

The NSA spied on the Italian government and companies, for reasons beyond terrorism.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023914591

This is subversion of the powers of a Democratic government to serve corporate interests.

This sounds very much like the behavior of corporate fascism.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
26. It's a HUGE STORY...that in other times would have been blaring from
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 08:57 PM
Oct 2013

our TV's... OOP's...thinking of the late 60's early 70's when the Media "FAIRNESS DOCTRINE" put a collar on the FAUX NEWS and TRASH like David Gregory and the REST!

And the Memory of Joe McCarthy and the Commie Scare was still fresh in our Media Brains as to what was done to journalism in the late 40's and through the 50's where the same Filth came to POWER as our TEA BAGGERS of TODAY!



joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
30. Pierre Omidyar is eliciting Greenwald because of Jeff Bezos.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 09:02 PM
Oct 2013

Jeff Bezos recently bought the Washington Post which Omidyar was looking at, so, guess what? He needed his own media conglomerate to push his own views.

Everyone is going to get vastly rich from it. And it's mostly from right wing Libertarians who want Peter Thiel-esque Galt Gulches to run the world from.

If you think for one minute that these guys are anti-corporate you're in for a huge shock.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
34. Guardian Newspaper has three Investigations coming at them..One big one
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 09:35 PM
Oct 2013

from MI-5 and two others from Parliament Investigations. Glenn's partner was threatened in the Heathrow Airport and he knew that with Guardian being hit & investigated that he couldn't stay there because it would hurt Guardian...dragging them more into investigations than when MI-5 came in and destroyed the hard drives thinking that Glenn had info stored there at the Newspaper.

I believe that he went where he went with Omidyar because he hoped it would help Guardian for him to no longer be working for them and he hoped that he would be able to continue his work.

Whether he gets STIFFED by Omidyar with the new offer or not ...I'll leave it up to Glenn's smarts to know what to do. But, it gives him a chance to keep reporting and that's what he loves to do in exposing wrongdoing. We shall see how long the alliance lasts.. But, I still believe he wants to work for GOOD...and he will find a way.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
35. Well yeah, spying and surveillance is also a business.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:01 PM
Oct 2013

They're basically going to be competing with one another.

Omidyar and Bezo's think that they can own media which is hostile toward the surveillance state (while owning stake in companies that spy on consumers on a regular basis and are in effect monopolies), which will put a dampen on government spying.

Meanwhile the surveillance state wants to make it clear to the journalists and newspapers that they will lose a lot of business if the representatives stop paying the corporations behind the surveillance to do what they do. Like Booz Allen. It's in Booz's interests and the employees at Booz (some 30k people) to downplay the surveillance state. They'll be out of a job if it ends!

Glen Greenwald is not going to have an anti-corporate message.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
36. I think what I'm reading is that you think
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:09 PM
Oct 2013

he's going to be a Corporate Sell Out.

I don't know that that would be the case with him. But, whether he ends up that way or not....what he exposed because Snowden contacted him...is enough that if he was gone tomorrow ...what he and Snowden along with Poitras exposed will live far beyond them.

In a sense what he revealed will go down in history and that's what he will be remembered for ...no matter what happens to him, after. So...I wish him the best in his new venture and hope that he won't be "sold out" which we know happens too often.

But, I will always support what both he and Snowden have done to throw lights on cockroaches. That will (if nothing later in his life) be his legacy along with his great reporting at both Salon and Guardian and his former Blog.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
46. Greenwald will never be a corporate sell out. That is the fantasy of
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 12:17 AM
Oct 2013

those who lack the kind of moral fiber Greenwald has demonstrated. That is foreign to the nay sayers, they cannot relate to someone who actually has courage and principles.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
50. Squawk! He worked for Cato. Squawk! He worked for Cato. Squawk! He worked for Cato.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 02:09 AM
Oct 2013

Never mind that the white paper and (free) lectures that he gave were for LIBERAL causes (drug decriminalization and criticism of the Bush surveillance state.) Squawk! Squawk! Squawk! Squawk! Squawk!

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
25. Huge K&R. Greenwald is a hero.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 08:55 PM
Oct 2013

He is exposing the ugly core of corporate corruption of the United States of America.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
41. depends what the definition is STATE -is
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 12:01 AM
Oct 2013

anyway - parts of that area are not likely such a dream. like anywhere.

if a person can appreciate life imbedded in another culture, i usually like that person. personally.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
48. this just reminded me of Elaine Benes on Seinfeld in Europe with controlling
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 01:04 AM
Oct 2013

psychiatrist. And isn't it weird that Greenwald is using Jewish stereotypes like "svengali" in his everyday speech?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
51. Isn't it weird that Elaine did! OMG!
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 02:16 AM
Oct 2013

I think you should shoot Greenwald an email and tell him he is a self-hating jew.

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