hahahahahaha!

The media pivoted so fast to blaming the software problems of obamacare as evidence the WHOLE program is bad. They had to rush back to supporting the GOP making them good and the Democrats bad narrative they so perpetuate.

I keep hearing people say the GOP have overplayed their hand and are going down while the MSM keeps propping them up so they won't keel over and die like they should. The tea party bubble just can't seem to be popped know matter how many lies they tell. The tea party is not going away and the MSM will not margalize them.

But they finally made it work more or less.
The Bush Medicare Prescription rollout was worse than either health.gov or XP,the press though assured everyone that it would be fixed,not to worry and granny got her oxycontin fix by the by.
[link:http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/24/2828261/hearing-post/|

Windows 8, anyone? (I don't mind W8, but the way that sucker was rolled out was a friggin' joke. They just offered 8.1, less than a year later.)

They might consider themselves lucky if they can make it go away next year.
XP was so bad they gave Win 7 Pro a way to bring up a "second level" XP system.
Considering the wonders of Win 8, how they figure to get rid of Win 7 should be entertaining.

Software is going to have problems and if the people responsible for it have any common sense their will be ways to fix it.

Got to wonder what the ACA software equivalent of KBRnnnnnnn is.
Their probably gonna be boo-cue "ACA"nnnnnnn patches.

There was a lot of hoopla about Vista too, but I like XP just fine.

Windows XP Support Ends in April 2014.

The trick here is what does that mean to you.
I know people who use XP only for E-mail and to serf the web. In their case it may be no big problem. Worse comes to worse even on older hardware they may find Ubuntu is not only free but may be a nicer experience.
http://www.ubuntu.com/
Check it out.
I also have a customer who uses XP to do payroll. They have Win 7 capable hardware but they just won't spring for the upgrade.
Business critical? Bad idea! Yup, typical republican.

This is a nice piece that may help you decide if it is time for you to upgrade........

What Do All of These XP “End of Life” Dates Represent?

I actually kind of like it. Unfortunately, I use an older version of AutoCad that won't work properly on Vista (I have a Vista machine too) or Windows 8.

I have Ubuntu installed on my older laptop that I've had for quite a few years. I do like Ubuntu, but it has updates for me every time I start it up and they take a long time to install. I tried installing Ubuntu on my windows 8 machine when I first got it, but something didn't work right.

I'm just kind of in a transitional period. With the economy slow, I can't really afford to upgrade AutoCad, and the old version that I have won't work on the newer operating system - so I still appreciate Windows XP. Which was out for several years before I ever tried it. I was still using windows 98 when they stopped supporting it.

I like to wait until the rough spots are worked out. I got a windows 8 laptop because it was very cheap.

Win 8 does have some improvements. It is tablet base (touch screen) and I am not. What can I tell you. Personal preference and that's about that. You can get used to anything, if you need to.
I will keep XP around mostly to support "customers" that still use it. I try to convince those that are using it for business that it might not be in their best interest.
Like QuickBooks my experience with any type of CAD software is limited to helping someone solve "this" problem.
Can't be much direct help there.

Still it wouldn't hurt to go out to the Microsoft forums and look around.
And who knows, learning something new doesn't usually hurt.
Wondering around sourceforge might help.
http://sourceforge.net/

I guess i am just backwards,Win2000 Pro was my favorite.
I gave up on Windows in 2005ish when they dropped support.
I used Kubuntu until my nephew who doubles as coder and QA for a great teaching software company and Apple fanboy recommended Win7.
I still use Kubuntu on my older machines since it requires way less resources than Micro$oft products and what the hell,its free.
I may try Apples new OSX Maverick since it will be free.

which was the grilling Congress was giving the company who is in charge of the website and thinking to myself, where are these numbskulls of Congress when a military boondoggle fighter jet can't keep from crashing? Does Boeing or Lockheed Martin get a grilling like this? No, they just get more money thrown at them.

The money still exists. It still remains in the pockets of those that were going to spend it.

on jobs until the November / December reports. The report that just came out is pre-shutdown. It stands on its own poor performance. The economy was beginning to ease slightly backwards prior to a few weeks ago.

about the impending shutdown and possible default that probably led to lower hiring even before the shutdown.

the economy was rebounding thru the summer. The shutdown killed all of that. Re the 120k jobs, the White House Council of Economic Advisers reported that it cost the U.S. 120,000 jobs in October. They say that the government shutdown took a huge bite out of economic growth and there is more to come.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-22/obama-economic-adviser-furman-says-shutdown-cost-120-000-jobs.html

be pro-Democratic. It is obvious who their paymasters are.

shooting, plane crash or something the ACA will go to the back burner.

WASHINGTON — A rising tide of Democrats has begun voicing support for easing the deadlines and penalties of the Affordable Care Act, showing the first cracks in party unity against GOP opposition to the health care law.

The pressure is acute in the Senate where Democrats in conservative or competitive states are lining up behind proposals to delay Obamacare, citing problems with the administration's glitch-plagued online rollout.

Sen. Kay Hagan, D-N.C., announced Thursday she supports delaying the enrollment period for two months and waiving the tax penalty for individuals who fail to enroll for the same period of time. The delays would "make up for time that is being lost" while the website is not functioning properly, she said in a statement.

Hagan's statement came the same day the House held its first hearing into flaws in the website, and Julie Bataille, communications director for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, told reporters, "The system just wasn't tested enough."

Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., proposed this week delaying the enrollment period, citing problems with HealthCare.gov. Her plan was quickly endorsed by Democratic Sens. Mark Begich of Alaska, Mark Pryor of Arkansas, and Mary Landrieu of Louisiana. All five Democrats face competitive 2014 re-election races.

Oh, I get it, they're all up for re-election.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/10/24/democrats-waver-obamacare-delay-hagan/3181655/

That was, unfortunately, a rhetorical question...

because the media is solely focused on this website and dumping on the President (even the comics like Jay Leno devoted his monologue to dumping on the President yesterday) - because of all this focus on this - the media then draws in the Dems as well and they begin to criticize too.

Instead of circling the wagons and protecting the President - some of the Dems begin piling on as well.

One guy that really upset me - because he's been quoted by the media - and they show clips of his negative comments - is Robert Gibbs. He was the one that said that somebody needs to be fired because of the problems.

Sounds like he has an ax to grind. Did the President fire him?

are o.k. Maybe Gibbs is taking his role as a political commentator seriously. Was there a clear line of authority for contracting the website? In Sibelius' case, the buck stops there.

Am I to be surprised that the events surrounding its beginning are being covered in the news? That the rollout is less than stellar has added fuel to the fire. As long as it's not humming along, expect it to stay on the front page.

The shutdown is yesterday's news. Obama needs to make these web issues yesterday's news -- like yesterday.

today.. did you see that on corporatemediawhore snooze?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110218753

They are ongoing as I type - we just need a mole.

A song that Gwen Steffanni may have thought up detailing bestiality incidents between Republican politicians and a moles.

And just so you don't think I'm a prude - I'm against cruely to animals.

One of the biggest problems is that people are unaware of ACA and expanded medicare.

Other than that it's utterly lame since it will be fixed.

Like most Republican gotchas it has a poison pill. Watch them also to say with inconsistency that no one is interested in signing up. If that were true, the website would not be overwhelmed.

specifically to interfere with the roll out of the ACA. Yep.

The healthcare.gov website was sabotaged by the Republican shut down.

I swear I heard that on the Internets today...

I don't know why the Republicans continue to deny this story. I think Dems should keep bringing up the topic of how the healthcare.gov website was sabotaged by the Republican shut down...

because of social media, like DU. They are in denial and do not want to give up their six figure jobs and live like the rest of us.

Every time I switch the radio back to try, they're talking about the health care website again.

The media are the only entity, other than the Democratic Party really - that had anything to gain from the shutdown. The cable news networks viewer counts increased across all demographics, and for the first time in many months the political "news" coming out of Washington was compelling and eminently reportable. OK - maybe not, but never the less millions more viewers were engaged - like I was - in the phony shutdown melodrama.

So the media will do "whatever it takes" to revive the Republican't Party and recreate another shutdown-like event. Oh joy!

She was just a railing away like it was the end of the world and she didn't get raptured. Stressing herself out!!

in about 20-30 seconds after she first dialed.

Benghaaaazi! The Republicans have to find something to deflect from their own horrible miscalculations.

one RWer in the Red suit was sputtering. "less than a minute" It literally interrupted one of her rants. Mika was outstanding. LOL

for large money donors in the media. From Time magazine:

Why did Cruz do this? Because he opposes the DISCLOSE Act, a bill that would require super PACS, corporations, unions and other outside groups to disclose to the Federal Elections Commission when they spend more than $10,000 to air political campaign ads. Democrats and public interest groups have been urging passage of the bill as a way to bring greater transparency to political ad funding, but many conservative groups and lawmakers oppose the legislation. In April, Cruz and other GOP senators wrote a letter to the FCC saying the bill raises “grave constitutional concerns for speech protected by the First Amendment.”

Read more: http://business.time.com/2013/10/18/heres-why-sen-ted-cruz-is-blocking-fcc-nominee-tom-wheeler/#ixzz2ihJGT84G

the MONEY BOYS WISH TO KEEP THE COUNTRY 'RITE'.

look like an epic fail

I agree with what SHOULD be discussed is the:

disastrous GOP-engineered shutdown and how the USA was within hours of economic catastrophe courtesy of the Republicans. The cost of the shutdown was an astounding $24 billion and so many lives were disrupted.

schedule.

As Obama said.. "ACA is not just a website.. it's so much more.. but he did say there was no excuses for the glitches.

And, what they're doing about it..

White House Taps Zients to Fix Health Care Portal

snip//

The Obama administration has tapped Jeffrey Zients, who has been a top economic adviser to the White House, to help lead efforts to fix the problem-plagued online health-insurance marketplaces.

White House press secretary Jay Carney said that Mr. Zients, who served as acting director of the Office of Management and Budget, will work in cooperation with the Health and Human Services team to provide management advice and counsel. His enlistment is part of the “tech surge” aimed at resolving the technical issues that have hampered the rollout of healthcare.gov, slowing signups for health insurance and enflaming criticism of the Affordable Care Act

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/10/22/white-house-taps-zients-to-fix-health-care-portal/

And, once again.. my money is on Pres Obama.. not the freaking mediawhore$$$.

Thanks Cali_Democrat

Considering the shutdown was an effort to defund or delay ACA it kinda does matter. This is what the fight was about and now we look like chumps. All those polls showing the doom of the GOP? I'll wager those are now ancient history. We've gone from blaming the GOP for bringing us to the brink to trying to explain to onlookers why we didn't accept their offer to delay because now our own side is in-fighting over a delay.

God forbid we do delay, you'll see Ted Cruz on the nightly news with his thumbs in his ears, waving his fingers at us while sticking out his tongue.

There are 6 corporations that control almost all of the media. None of the corporate owners are liberal, what do you expect, unbiased reporting?
I repeat again, even msnbc follows the corporate narrative. They put a liberal spin on it, but they follow the narrative.
Ask Phil Donahue, Cenk Uygur, Keith Olbermann, Dylan Ratigan, what happens when one strays from the narrative. This is my #1 issue why Democrats have a problem pushing their agenda. They get slammed by the media.

I wish that they'd be clearer though that it's the website that is broken and not the law or the system behind it. I keep hearing people describe the website problems like, "Obamacare is broken, it doesn't work, it's a train wreck".

I want to yell "The website is broken. Obamacare is fine"

and everyone wanted to talk about the character of Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden.

Why do you think that is?

Look it's all bullshit - they're all spying and they're all trying to steal the resources of developing countries while keeping their labor cheap.

What isn't getting mentioned is that all of this alleged spying happened in 2006, under the Bush misadministration. Funny how that never gets mentioned, eh?

Now there's a black man in the White House. Up is down. It's a complete inversion of reality - as in the reality of the rational versus the RW ReTHUGs, their goons and hacks in M$Greedia.

on anything we let the TeaPubliKlans of the hook for. It is as sure as day following night and if we are weak, weasely, corrupt, or just misguided or stupid enough to emulate them then we will get the full measure of blame, including what they had coming but never got.

This NSA tomfoolery and the "Fast an Furious" crap are especially stupid because we totally know better but insisted on following the bastards off the cliff.

If you wanted something more fair then the time was about twenty years ago but then the fellow travelers of those crying the loudest now we're either swallowing their tongues or outright cheering deregulation and corporate concentration of ownership and the same crew that flogged, pushed, pulled the party to the corporate right making it probable that we have amoral, stupid, and shortsighted Democrats who will always walk into the traps.

I don't get what other reasonably plausible outcomes there are supposed to be.

Want better outcomes? Stop covering for the opposition and stridently oppose their agenda and we will find waters much more difficult to muddy, the last 15 years or so have been especially dangerous because so much time and effort has been spent trying to blur the differences in critical positions to supposedly appeal to "independents" and often we find ourselves in perception traps substantially of our own creation with too many voters and the media can throw an anchor around or necks anytime.

Democrats need to be punished for not fully surrendering to the GOP (and making a fool out of them in the process) and the media is happy to oblige.

I went to obtain a burrito at a good little taqueria nearby, situated in a gas station. They have good food, the workers there barely speak english, and are likely naive to the slant of the FOX noise brainwashing station the place has blaring overhead.
In less than five minutes of exposure to that, overhearing them attempting beyond any reason to attach sinister motives to the website malfunctions, to calling our commander in chief certain epithets, to even more completely inane accusations of "socialism", I was sickened, took my food to go and waited for the nausea to subside before devouring it. I like the place, but won't go back for more televised democrat-and-Obama bashing.
I'm going to put them on the turnofffox site, and submit a letter to the owner before I leave here.

Did y'all also notice that they are also not pointing out that all of this alleged spying on world leaders happened in 2006, under Shit-for-Brains' watch. GOPers own the majority of the media. It's not surprising that they're trying to distract everyone from their fuck-ups.

own all of the media. The Cubs owner is a big time con., no?

I personally think republicans have sabotaged the website and I know others do too.

they're nothing but a bunch of corporate whores

.... it takes too long to sign up for SOMETHING THEY TRIED TO REPEAL OVER 40 TIMES!

How dare it not be convenient and easy to enroll in something that should not even exist!

That's all they've got? Really?

"this is the first time in the history of the internet!"

then laugh in the face of whoever dares tries this media talking point.

lather/rinse/repeat

mockery works.

Of course, one is not supposed to put an application online unless its been thoroughly tested, but I've seen some really huge bugs slip through the testing process. The most methodical programmers are not immune from making big boo-boos. And, contrary to what some right wing morons are implying right now, it has even less to do with the programmer's political affiliations.

and this one is running with a three month cushion. if shit is all screwed up by january, then yeah, WTF, mate? but complain now? whatevah.

that's why this is so ridiculous. expecting things to run smoothly on their first time is like ignoring everything we've learned from life experience. if this was such an anomaly, why have words like "practice," and ideas like "schools?"

computer programming is just another in a long train of disciplines where uncaught errors can happen. the histrionics is just silly.

...on Jon Stewart's ass about his piling on with the Repugs on this by saying...Dammit Jon, don't you know we're in an effin war with the 'right' in this country, and that every time you join with them in criticizing Obama, and Democrats in general, you're providing 'aid and comfort' to these bastards?...back the hell off.'

The media is owned by the repubs, that's why I hope democrats will use the very best clips of frothing repubs during the shutdown in commercial clips for the next election cycle. Remind voters of who and what they are over and over and over again. Democrats seem to be run over by these non-issues all the time in the mass media. We gotta pound our message home and make our timing with that message as accurate as possible. A winning candidate usually starts peaking in the polls about a week before election day.

The owners of the GOP are the same as the owners of the media.

it occurred to me it would have been wonderful to see this kind of scrutiny over Dubya's failed wars

The media does things that make me doubt they are simply anti demo and repuk then they pull the above. Ho hum. Yeah liberal media my ass. This is why Liberals see the media as conservative and Conservatives see the media as liberal when the media goes after both. sigh. not that that makes it right. It just is.

a whole political party doing every damn thing it can to destroy the american govt while throwing out on the street 800,000 or so people and holding a gun to the head of the whole world economy!

The dammed MSM refuse to report the truth about the un-american neo confederate republican party!

As soon as the shutdown ends: "The website is completely broken how is the administration going to handle this crisis!"

Why? They have health insurance, so they have no clue what signing up actually entails. Hey, the Republicans said it was horrible, and they're trustworthy, no?

... that a shutdown attempt is akin to a technical glitch on a Web site.

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CBS, ABC, CNN, FOX... it doesn't matter. It's shit.