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kentuck

(111,098 posts)
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 09:41 PM Oct 2013

Are there any similarities between today and the time of the Civil War??

We were divided a long time before the Great Civil War. There was the Missouri Compromise of 1820. It was about slavery and the division of power in the House of Representatives. That is how Maine became a free state separate from the northern region of Massachusetts, in order to balance the "free" states and the "slave" states. So it went on for 40 years before it finally boiled over. In December of 1860, South Carolina seceded from the Union. Four months later, they were firing their cannons upon Fort Sumter.

Are we experiencing a similar situation? There is a question on the Colorado ballot for the next election to permit Northern Colorado to become an independent state. Texas has talked of seceding from the union. How different is that from 1860?

We tend to look at history in different ways. The South was no independent country with a standing army. They were not equal to the standing Army of the Union. They were nothing more than a rag-tag bunch of TeaBaggers with guns and hatred for their government and its leader, Abe Lincoln. They hated Abraham Lincoln with a passion, moreso than they hate Barack Obama.

Are there similarities? I don't know. But if it goes on for years, it can fester up and create unmanageable tensions between parties. It is no time to compromise with what we know is wrong. That would only encourage them.

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Are there any similarities between today and the time of the Civil War?? (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2013 OP
Only on a superficial level. SamYeager Oct 2013 #1
Oh dear GOD! Texasgal Oct 2013 #2
It would be Republicans in the North who would be most opposed to Southern states seceding. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #3
Yep. kentuck Oct 2013 #4
Well, it was a bit more civil the last time around. nt Xipe Totec Oct 2013 #5
Without SS, medicare and lots of other government jaysunb Oct 2013 #6
It's not even close to the same. Not even close. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #7
What do you think is the major difference? kentuck Oct 2013 #8
Wow... too many to name actually, but... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #16
My pantaloons are made in China SaveAmerica Oct 2013 #9
There are of course huge differences, however we have not had this clear and deep a regional divide Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #10
I think it's nowhere near as clear or deep as you imagine. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #18
The Missouri Compromise was the continuation of a pattern that had existed Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #11
So far this time, no Congressperson has beaten another one into a coma with a Squinch Oct 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #13
Fisticuffs. xfundy Oct 2013 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #17
I'd be willing to let them try it. Then see how fast they come running back with their tails between xfundy Oct 2013 #14
You may find an answer to your question in this book. PADemD Oct 2013 #19
I don't know much about history...but the confederates lost Southside Oct 2013 #20

Texasgal

(17,045 posts)
2. Oh dear GOD!
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 09:45 PM
Oct 2013

Really?

Ofcourse there are differences! Jesus f'ing christ!

Seceding is a farce and a wet dream for some people. We are all Americans. Period.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
3. It would be Republicans in the North who would be most opposed to Southern states seceding.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 09:51 PM
Oct 2013

Imagine their reaction to permanently losing Texas's 38 electoral votes.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
6. Without SS, medicare and lots of other government
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 09:57 PM
Oct 2013

provided services, this idea falls apart rather quickly. AND big business would not permit it to get to that point. Any insurrection will be forcefully and violently put down. There is no doubt in my mind.......

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
8. What do you think is the major difference?
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:00 PM
Oct 2013

The anger and the hatred for the government had to be much higher, I would think?

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
16. Wow... too many to name actually, but...
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:20 PM
Oct 2013

You can start with people OWNING other people as property and a society built on the wealth that created. Looking beyond that, prior to the Civil War the Federal Government was comparatively weak, and people viewed their State as their government. Their State was one of many in a Union of States, probably much the way people in the EU view their nations of residence today. Further, in the South the Southern Baptist church was founded on slavery, and the people believed that what they were doing was moral and God's will. Finally, no one really understood how horrific it was going to become. The idea that it would degenerate into total scorched earth carnage was likely inconceivable to virtually anyone.

There is NOTHING like that going on today, including in the south.

Yes, there are some ignorant racists. They don't really bother to hide it. But they tend to be old, and their views are dying out. The same applies to the religious angle. Social Conservatism is a dying philosophy. The internet has changed everything. All we need to do is hold the line, wait one more decade, and we win.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
10. There are of course huge differences, however we have not had this clear and deep a regional divide
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:06 PM
Oct 2013

Since the civil war.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
11. The Missouri Compromise was the continuation of a pattern that had existed
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:13 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:54 PM - Edit history (1)

since the 14th state, Vermont, was admitted in 1791.

Vermont, free, 1791 (was originally part of New York)
Kentucky, slave, 1792
Tennessee, slave, 1796
Ohio, free, 1803
Louisiana, slave, 1812
Indiana, free, 1816
Mississippi, slave, 1817
Illinois, free, 1818
Alabama, slave, 1819
Maine, free, 1820
Missouri, slave, 1821
Arkansas, slave, 1836
Michigan, free, 1837
Texas, slave, 1845
Florida, slave, 1845
Iowa, free, 1846
Wisconsin, free, 1848
California, free, 1850

So by 1850, an equal number of slave and free states had been admitted to the Union after the original 13. But the admission of Minnesota in 1858 and Oregon in 1859 as two free states put an end to that.

Squinch

(50,954 posts)
12. So far this time, no Congressperson has beaten another one into a coma with a
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:14 PM
Oct 2013

stick.

So there's that ray of sunshine.



Response to Squinch (Reply #12)

Response to xfundy (Reply #15)

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
14. I'd be willing to let them try it. Then see how fast they come running back with their tails between
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:18 PM
Oct 2013

their legs.

Screw the corporations, they already have operations in every other country. They could open up more in the new "ex-US" nations these assholes want. Big deal, they push in with their chemicals and GMOs and, yes, make less profit than they do here, because the populations aren't as wealthy as we used to be until the same corporations took American jobs to communist countries because slaves work so much cheaper.

Screw it. Let's go ahead and get it out in the open, then everyone can see the truth for themselves.

Southside

(338 posts)
20. I don't know much about history...but the confederates lost
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 12:52 AM
Oct 2013

And the conservatives who resist change will always lose.

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