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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAre there any similarities between today and the time of the Civil War??
We were divided a long time before the Great Civil War. There was the Missouri Compromise of 1820. It was about slavery and the division of power in the House of Representatives. That is how Maine became a free state separate from the northern region of Massachusetts, in order to balance the "free" states and the "slave" states. So it went on for 40 years before it finally boiled over. In December of 1860, South Carolina seceded from the Union. Four months later, they were firing their cannons upon Fort Sumter.
Are we experiencing a similar situation? There is a question on the Colorado ballot for the next election to permit Northern Colorado to become an independent state. Texas has talked of seceding from the union. How different is that from 1860?
We tend to look at history in different ways. The South was no independent country with a standing army. They were not equal to the standing Army of the Union. They were nothing more than a rag-tag bunch of TeaBaggers with guns and hatred for their government and its leader, Abe Lincoln. They hated Abraham Lincoln with a passion, moreso than they hate Barack Obama.
Are there similarities? I don't know. But if it goes on for years, it can fester up and create unmanageable tensions between parties. It is no time to compromise with what we know is wrong. That would only encourage them.
SamYeager
(309 posts)We are nowhere near as divided as the nation was in 1856, for example.
Texasgal
(17,045 posts)Really?
Ofcourse there are differences! Jesus f'ing christ!
Seceding is a farce and a wet dream for some people. We are all Americans. Period.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Imagine their reaction to permanently losing Texas's 38 electoral votes.
Strange how history reverses course and players, huh?
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)jaysunb
(11,856 posts)provided services, this idea falls apart rather quickly. AND big business would not permit it to get to that point. Any insurrection will be forcefully and violently put down. There is no doubt in my mind.......
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)kentuck
(111,098 posts)The anger and the hatred for the government had to be much higher, I would think?
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)You can start with people OWNING other people as property and a society built on the wealth that created. Looking beyond that, prior to the Civil War the Federal Government was comparatively weak, and people viewed their State as their government. Their State was one of many in a Union of States, probably much the way people in the EU view their nations of residence today. Further, in the South the Southern Baptist church was founded on slavery, and the people believed that what they were doing was moral and God's will. Finally, no one really understood how horrific it was going to become. The idea that it would degenerate into total scorched earth carnage was likely inconceivable to virtually anyone.
There is NOTHING like that going on today, including in the south.
Yes, there are some ignorant racists. They don't really bother to hide it. But they tend to be old, and their views are dying out. The same applies to the religious angle. Social Conservatism is a dying philosophy. The internet has changed everything. All we need to do is hold the line, wait one more decade, and we win.
SaveAmerica
(5,342 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Since the civil war.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:54 PM - Edit history (1)
since the 14th state, Vermont, was admitted in 1791.
Vermont, free, 1791 (was originally part of New York)
Kentucky, slave, 1792
Tennessee, slave, 1796
Ohio, free, 1803
Louisiana, slave, 1812
Indiana, free, 1816
Mississippi, slave, 1817
Illinois, free, 1818
Alabama, slave, 1819
Maine, free, 1820
Missouri, slave, 1821
Arkansas, slave, 1836
Michigan, free, 1837
Texas, slave, 1845
Florida, slave, 1845
Iowa, free, 1846
Wisconsin, free, 1848
California, free, 1850
So by 1850, an equal number of slave and free states had been admitted to the Union after the original 13. But the admission of Minnesota in 1858 and Oregon in 1859 as two free states put an end to that.
Squinch
(50,954 posts)stick.
So there's that ray of sunshine.
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xfundy
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xfundy
(5,105 posts)their legs.
Screw the corporations, they already have operations in every other country. They could open up more in the new "ex-US" nations these assholes want. Big deal, they push in with their chemicals and GMOs and, yes, make less profit than they do here, because the populations aren't as wealthy as we used to be until the same corporations took American jobs to communist countries because slaves work so much cheaper.
Screw it. Let's go ahead and get it out in the open, then everyone can see the truth for themselves.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)Generations: The History of America's Future, 1584 to 2069
http://www.amazon.com/Generations-History-Americas-Future-1584/dp/0688119123
Southside
(338 posts)And the conservatives who resist change will always lose.