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tabatha

(18,795 posts)
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 03:24 PM Mar 2012

Libya: Semi-autonomy declared by leaders in east

"Federalism is not division but unity," Fadl-Allah Haroun, commander of a revolutionary militia, told the AP. "We are not talking about changing the flag or national anthem. We are talking about different administration, a parliament and managing the financial affairs."

Historically, Cyrenaica is one of three regions Libya was divided into. The other two were Tripolitania in the north-west and Fezzan in the south-west. Cyrenaica's leaders say the region stretches from the central coastal city of Sirte to the Libyan-Egyptian border in the east - containing two-thirds of the country's oil reserves.

The three states enjoyed federal power following Libya's independence in 1951, until the country became a unitary state in 1963.

The people of Cyrenaica, known as Barqa in Arabic, long felt marginalised and neglected under Gaddafi, who focused much of the development on the west. The city of Benghazi was the seat of the uprising that eventually toppled the former dictator.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17271431

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leveymg

(36,418 posts)
1. Recall reading that most of the Libyan al-Qaeda contingent is from the Eastern region.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 03:32 PM
Mar 2012

In our gleeful rush toward regime change and finishing off Syria, weakening Iran, and redividing the region's remaining non-Saudi oil reserves, where's reconstituting AQ on a scale not seen since the 1990s.

This is the definition of insanity.

tabatha

(18,795 posts)
2. "where's reconstituting AQ on a scale not seen since the 1990s"
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 04:14 PM
Mar 2012

really? do you have a link, or is this in your imagination?

Btw, Belhadj is in Syria.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
4. Something tells me you'd call bullshit if he said anything else. Am I right?
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 04:45 PM
Mar 2012

It means nothing when you decide to selectively believe what reinforces your opinions.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
5. Got a better source? Cite it.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 04:53 PM
Mar 2012

I'd conclude that this is one of the primary reasons why the U.S. hasn't intervened militarily to push Assad out, and won't. Another is the potential that regime change would create for genocide against the Alawite after the disassembly of Syria. We're in no position to stick around for a decade to make sure that even worse things don't happen.

tabatha

(18,795 posts)
6. Reporters on the ground say that is no true.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:49 PM
Mar 2012

EDIT:

By the way - reconstitute is NOT the same as infiltrate. Check a dictionary.

tabatha

(18,795 posts)
7. And btw, Clapper said nothing about "reconstituting AQ on a scale not seen since the 1990s. ".
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:54 PM
Mar 2012

He was talking about Syria.

There are NO AQ in Libya. None. Nada.

And I can guarantee that you do not have a link to AQ in Libya.

Talk about hyperbole.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
8. Your statement "There are NO AQ in Libya. None.Nada" is contradicted by US State Department reports:
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 08:51 AM
Mar 2012

While you're at it, you can look up the term "disinformation", as that is what your statement (like much of the stuff you post at DU) actually is. Read this:

The US State Department describes LIFG:Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)

Description: In the early 1990s, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) emerged from the group of Libyans who had fought Soviet forces in Afghanistan and the Qadhafi regime in Libya. The LIFG declared Libyan President Muammar Qadhafi un-Islamic and pledged to overthrow him. In the years following, some members maintained a strictly anti-Qadhafi focus and targeted Libyan government interests. Others, such as Abu al-Faraj al-Libi, who in 2005 was arrested in Pakistan, aligned with Usama bin Ladin and are believed to be part of the al-Qa’ida (AQ) leadership structure or active in the international terrorist network. On November 3, 2007, senior AQ leaders announced that LIFG had officially joined AQ.

Activities: Libyans associated with the LIFG are part of the broader international terrorist movement. The LIFG is one of the groups believed to have planned the Casablanca suicide bombings in May 2003. Spanish media in August 2005 linked Ziyad Hashem, an alleged member of the LIFG’s media committee, as well as the imprisoned amir Abdallah al-Sadeq, with Tunisian Islamist Serhane Ben Abdelmajid Fakhet, the suspected ringleader in the 2004 Madrid attacks. The LIFG continued to target Libyan interests, and attempted to assassinate Qadhafi four times; the last attempt was in 1998. The LIFG engaged Libyan security forces in armed clashes during the 1990s. However, the LIFG has been largely operationally inactive in Libya since the late 1990s when members fled predominately to Europe and the Middle East because of tightened Libyan security measures. To date, the November 3 merger with AQ has not resulted in a significant increase in LIFG activities within Libya.

Strength: The LIFG probably has several hundred active members or supporters, mostly in the Middle East or Europe.

Location/Area of Operation: Since the late 1990s, many members have fled to various Asian, the Persian Gulf, African, and European countries, particularly the UK. It is likely that LIFG maintained a limited presence in eastern Libya.

External Aid: Unknown. The LIFG has used Islamic charitable organizations as cover for fundraising and transferring money and documents; it may have also financed operations with criminal activity.

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2007/103714.htm
[edit] 2011 Libyan civil war

In March 2011, members of the LIFG in Ajdabiya declared to the press that the group supports the revolt against Gaddafi's rule, and had placed themselves under the leadership of the National Transitional Council. They also stated that the group had changed its name to Libyan Islamic Movement (al-Harakat al-Islamiya al-Libiya), had around 500–600 militants released from jail in recent years,
and denied any past or present affiliation with Al-Qaeda.[19]

An emir of the LIFG, Abdelhakim Belhadj,[20] became the commander of the Tripoli Military Council after the rebels took over Tripoli during the 2011 Battle of Tripoli.

On March 2011, Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, a leading member of the group, admit to the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore that his fighters had al-Qaeda links.[21] Al-Hasidi was captured in 2002 in Peshwar, Pakistan, later handed over to the US, and then held in Libya before being released in 2008. He admit in the same interview that he had earlier fought against "the foreign invasion" of Afghanistan.[21]
[edit] LIFG at list of terrorist organizations

LIFG is on the US list of terrorist organizations.[4] It is also on the UK 'Proscribed terrorist groups list'.[22]
[edit] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Islamic_Fighting_Group

tabatha

(18,795 posts)
9. Outdated and incorrect information.
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:49 PM
Mar 2012
2011 Libyan civil war

In March 2011, members of the LIFG in Ajdabiya declared to the press that the group supports the revolt against Gaddafi's rule, and had placed themselves under the leadership of the National Transitional Council. They also stated that the group had changed its name to Libyan Islamic Movement (al-Harakat al-Islamiya al-Libiya), had around 500–600 militants released from jail in recent years, and denied any past or present affiliation with Al-Qaeda.[19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Islamic_Fighting_Group


I stand by my statement of no Al Qaeda in Libya. This was from a recent article by a reporter who had visited Libya THIS YEAR.

We are not talking about the 1990s, the 2000s, but ............ this year 2012, now, currently.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
11. Al Qaeda sends fighters to Libya
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:57 PM
Mar 2012

Al Qaeda sends fighters to Libya
By Nic Robertson and Paul Cruickshank

December 30th, 2011

Al Qaeda's leadership has sent experienced jihadists to Libya in an effort to build a fighting force there, according to a Libyan source briefed by Western counter-terrorism officials.

The jihadists include one veteran fighter who had been detained in Britain on suspicion of terrorism. The source describes him as committed to al Qaeda's global cause and to attacking U.S. interests.

The source told CNN that the al Qaeda leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, personally dispatched the former British detainee to Libya earlier this year as the Gadhafi regime lost control of large swathes of the country.

The man arrived in Libya in May and has since begun recruiting fighters in the eastern region of the country, near the Egyptian border. He now has some 200 fighters mobilized, the source added. Western intelligence agencies are aware of his activities, according to the source.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/30/al-qaeda-sends-fighters-to-libya/

tabatha

(18,795 posts)
10. U.S. finds no organized Al Qaeda presence in Libya opposition, officials say
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:56 PM
Mar 2012
U.S. finds no organized Al Qaeda presence in Libya opposition, officials say
Eastern Libya, the rebels' base, has a history as a breeding ground for Islamic militants, but an intelligence-gathering effort has not uncovered a significant number of extremists, officials say.

Libyan rebel soldiers take cover during the siege of the eastern city of… (Manu Brabo / European Pressphoto Agency)
March 23, 2011|By Ken Dilanian, Los Angeles Times
Reporting from Washington — Despite fears that Islamic extremists may be playing a hidden role in the rebellion against Moammar Kadafi, the U.S. intelligence community has found no organized presence of Al Qaeda or its allies among the Libyan opposition, American officials say.

A U.S. intelligence-gathering effort that began shortly after anti-Kadafi forces started seizing towns in eastern Libya last month has not uncovered a significant presence of Islamic militants among the insurgents.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/23/world/la-fg-libya-rebels-intel-20110324


No Al Qaeda In Libya - U.S. Intelligence Community


The Al Qaeda Myth in Libya
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/58053/the-al-qaeda-myth-in-libya/

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