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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe European Spy agencies are so good
that the US has never detected them spying on our citizens, politicians, or businesses. The US needs to fund even more to the NSA so they can catch up, rather than 3 times NASA'S budget they need to make it 5 times the amount.
We can't be a second rate on this. I think the NSA needs a new captain's chair too. The intelligence gap must be closed. Obama needs to appoint more Cheney and Rumsfeld picks for the NSA when they retire like Clapper and Alexander who built this agency up thank god and tripled its budget.
Otherwise we would be even further behind the Europeans and the technological mega giants like Brazil and Mexico whose spying in our oval office still goes undetected and unproven.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)BelgianMadCow
(5,379 posts)neither have we. Of course, we DID build backdoors in all the european hardware. Like cars.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)its a giant machine for their intelligence agencies. Its a front
I have the timing memes BTW of when they activate it and intelligence gathering.
This why they spent billions on it.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)with Legos
OldEurope
(1,273 posts)... they are hidden in the cloud.
Or in Spain, like here: http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2010-06/fs-immobilien-spanien
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)They knew all along they were being bugged and are merely pretending to be outraged -says some DU'ers.
1000words
(7,051 posts)Be prepared to deal with a certain loss of diplomatic leverage.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Our Presidents even spy on themselves.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)was highly suspicious
BelgianMadCow
(5,379 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)who exposed to the world our national shortcomings.
Talk about pornography and traitor... pole dancing was just girl scout cookies as compared to that guy.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)they show no favors.
But we still need less control on the NSA not more, in order to protect Obama and our Liberty and freedom.
The europeans are just too good at the game.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)I think that's an obvious overreach (this all happened under Bush, btw). Senators and Representatives? Yeah, OK, they need minor vetting at best (if they're citizens and their campaign donations to avoid corruption and whatnot), but not damn spying on their phone calls. That shit is insane.
The Europeans are relying on us to spy for them. Russia and China have had their programs divulged and they're as bad as the NSA.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)for them.......
LOL
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Racism in EU is rampant.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)targets as they should be. Like the socialist leader of France.
BelgianMadCow
(5,379 posts)with your bombshell disclosure upthread about the location of our GDW (Giant Data Worm) at CERN, you stand to be renditioned to the spanish communist village of Marinaleda!
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)and the need of the NSA to detect it in your country.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts).
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Let's not kid ourselves. We share what we will with our allies and they'll happily take it.
It's one reason Russia and China have been caught spying on us and are now oh so concerned about our spying on them.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)and in the meanwhile they spy on us and never get caught.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)But they likely have their own internal programs.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)Do you seriously think every time the US catches a foreign government conducting surveillance they publish it in the evening news??? Therefore since there have been no evening news stories about it it must not be happening???
What the hell would be the point of that? How do you think this process works exactly? This stuff only goes public when there's a leak. Do you get that?
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)since you don't understand irony and a sardonic post.
PLUS like I said ..... the europeans are too smart to get caught.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)And does the Mossad count as "European?" or are they officially "Middle East?"
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)in the fight against european cultural hegemony.
We need more olive groves taken over and more money sent to Israel to support our and their indirect imperial dominance
The soviet union has too much influence on eastern europe and their spies are all over europe according to Reagan.
We must protect our allies by spying on them because they don't have enough sense to understand world politics like Americans.
Thank god we are now following the Israel's example of spying on people traveling from airports weeks before they leave. The US is now doing that but not China or Russia.
The Israelis are a shining example of good guys as are we with our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The europeans must be stopped.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)of China's spying. The entire summit in California was designed to give Obama the chance to call out China on spying. That is until Snowden and the leaks. I'm tired of those whining about the "revelations" of Snowden and how he's some hero. He still hasn't revealed anything about spying on citizens I didn't already know, and the loss to the US at that meeting was devastating.
And yes, many countries spy on us. China hacked into the campaign laptops of McCain and Obama during the elections. They sent a letter to McCain basically letting him know what they were doing.
It's absurd to think that if we catch a country spying that we publish it in the papers. I think most people would at least wait and feed bad intel to them for a while. That's what happened with D Day and other military maneuvers. They use compromised communications to convince them the attack will be on a different day or place.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Tells them nothing they did not already know.
If he ever comes back I'm going to be really woried if he gets a job in a Texas school book depository.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)intentions, but also as to whether he was being "handled" by a foreign government. I still think China may have been behind it due to his time in Japan and his transfer to the section that oversees China, but that public statement didn't serve his cause and made him lack credibility. It seemed he was saying it for Russia's benefit and not his own.