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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:44 AM Oct 2013

What the Democrats Can Learn From Ted Cruz



http://www.thenation.com/article/176795/what-democrats-can-learn-ted-cruz?rel=emailNation

In the short-term calculation, Cruz was disastrously wrong; no populist revolt against Obamacare was in the making. In fact, his theatrics cost the Republicans a chance to score easy points against the bungled rollout of HealthCare.gov, as John McCain testily pointed out on CNN. In the medium view, his insurrection escalated a long-simmering feud between the Tea Party and the GOP establishment into an all-out civil war that will convulse the party through at least the midterm elections. But in the largest sense, his strategy is working. As George Packer pointed out in The New Yorker, the government that emerged from sixteen days of a shutdown was dealt a thousand paper cuts, as already overloaded and underfunded agencies became even less efficient, less responsive to the needs of ordinary citizens. Meanwhile, another round of budget cuts and another debt ceiling showdown loom, and Cruz, for one, has already pledged to shut down the government again.

This is bad news for the Democratic Party, whose response to the Tea Party’s histrionics has been to seek the sensible center, playing the soporific role of pragmatic, compromise-seeking adult technocrats. As long as a majority of the GOP is hell-bent on breaking bad, this identity positions the Democrats as contrast winners. But put in the context of historic and rising inequality, shrinking government budgets, unabated unemployment and foreclosure crises, and crumbling schools and roads, Democrats start to look like management consultants in cheap suits brought in to wind down the American empire.

And here’s where Cruz has two things right: the ordinary Washington rules no longer apply, and it will take a people’s insurrection—not Beltway business as usual—to fix what’s broke. But in contrast to Cruz, President Obama has consistently used the shutdown to draw unnecessary distinctions between governance and activism of any sort. At a press conference one day after the shutdown ended, he advised the political class to “stop focusing on the lobbyists and the bloggers and the talking heads on radio and the professional activists who profit from conflict,” as if activists and bloggers from both sides of the aisle were equally responsible for the fiasco.

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What the Democrats Can Learn From Ted Cruz (Original Post) eridani Oct 2013 OP
Very interesting. k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #1
the last thing we need is a left version of Ted Cruz scheming daemons Oct 2013 #2
We need Dems who will push the envelope in the direction of demands that are eridani Oct 2013 #4
Cruz's beliefs are no different than the "Surrender Caucus" geek tragedy Oct 2013 #8
But he makes the "surrender caucus" look reasonable eridani Oct 2013 #11
No, he's managed to convince every persuadeable voter that there are no geek tragedy Oct 2013 #12
He's put them in a bad position for the 2014 election, but the Republicans still win their policies eridani Oct 2013 #19
Sequester was 2011--Cruz gets no 'credit' for that. nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #21
Some one to help Senator Sander and Warren madokie Oct 2013 #27
Democrats have been compromising for 30 years. That is why we are where we are. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #6
No, the Democrats can't learn a fucking thing from tedbagger Cha Oct 2013 #3
I reject the premise entirely. Motown_Johnny Oct 2013 #5
I agree. i do think there may be a time for a Democratic Ted Cruz type, but it's not now. okaawhatever Oct 2013 #9
the left has been told for 30 years now is not the time. Well we are getting tired of waiting. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #10
Exactly. And I hope they start not long after the 14 elections. Most people vote with their okaawhatever Oct 2013 #16
I'm not waiting. I will only vote for liberal candidates. Candidates like Grayson, Warren, and liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #17
I suspect that Ted Cruz is *only* out to promote Ted Cruz... Orsino Oct 2013 #14
and who do you think that "pure" conservative nominee might be? Motown_Johnny Oct 2013 #18
That's the part I can't figure. Orsino Oct 2013 #20
No, he is trying to get the establishment Republicans kicked out of the party Motown_Johnny Oct 2013 #22
He'd better be hoping for economic collapse, then. Orsino Oct 2013 #23
You and I don't see it, but.... Motown_Johnny Oct 2013 #24
"in the largest sense, his strategy is working" geek tragedy Oct 2013 #7
No thanks Dwayne Hicks Oct 2013 #13
... Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2013 #15
Isolated tactical successes in a strategically negative situation don't mean much. bemildred Oct 2013 #25
Total B.S. HERVEPA Oct 2013 #26
Cruz is only popular with extremists Republicans who give him a standing ovation.. mountain grammy Oct 2013 #28
 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
2. the last thing we need is a left version of Ted Cruz
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:19 AM
Oct 2013

Democrats win by being the grownups in the room.

We don't need a grenade thrower like Cruz that is tossing from the left.

The GOP is on the run and cracking up. Emulating them would be colossally stupid.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
4. We need Dems who will push the envelope in the direction of demands that are
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 04:55 PM
Oct 2013

--both reasonable and highly popular, like no cuts to SocSec and Medicare, reining in big banks, financial transaction tax, no more pro-corporate "free" trade agreements. They don't need to be screamers or to threaten to shut down the government if the demands aren't met.

The OP simply points out that Cruz believes in something. Democrats used to, and should again. (OK, the Progressive Caucus does, but they all need to.)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. Cruz's beliefs are no different than the "Surrender Caucus"
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:30 PM
Oct 2013

Republicans he derides.

The only difference is that they're concerned with results, whereas he's concerned with being the purest wingnut in the room.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
11. But he makes the "surrender caucus" look reasonable
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:44 PM
Oct 2013

And thereby successfully advances the conservative agenda.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. No, he's managed to convince every persuadeable voter that there are no
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:47 PM
Oct 2013

reasonable Republicans.

He's put the Republicans in a terrible position (one they deserve of course)--either they continue to pander to the crazies and alienate the persuadeable voters and even the few remaining moderate Republican voters out there, or they start acting sane, and wind up setting off a civil war within the GOP that results in one side losing, getting demoralized, and staying home in 2014.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
19. He's put them in a bad position for the 2014 election, but the Republicans still win their policies
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:34 AM
Oct 2013

The sequester is still causing all the damage to government effectiveness that they could possibly home for and more.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
6. Democrats have been compromising for 30 years. That is why we are where we are.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:25 PM
Oct 2013

We have to get rid of Trickle Down economics, and our current crop of moderate democrats are not going to do anything to get rid of Trickle Down economics.

Cha

(297,275 posts)
3. No, the Democrats can't learn a fucking thing from tedbagger
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:23 AM
Oct 2013

scruz, the nation. Thanks for nothing.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
5. I reject the premise entirely.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:22 PM
Oct 2013

It is my belief that Sen. Cruz is trying to expose Republicans that are not Conservative enough for the Republican primary voter.

This is an attempt to unseat them and replace some portion of them with people he/they do consider Conservative enough.

The longer term plan being to not have another Mitt Romney as a Presidential candidate. Even McCain won't float their boat. They want a "Real" Conservative as their nominee next time and to do that they need more Teabagger influence within the party, even if the party needs to shrink as a whole.

A people's insurrection is unlikely. The decline of the Republican party is far more likely. If we assume that this happens, then Democrats should be able to gain enough power to fix what is broken.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
9. I agree. i do think there may be a time for a Democratic Ted Cruz type, but it's not now.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:33 PM
Oct 2013

Republican voters are mad at the Republicans. if we go on the offensive, or state more radical positions, I believe they will come to the defense of the Republicans. They are mad at the gop, but haven't abandoned it YET. We can't say, the left has the answer to what's ailing the right in today's political climate.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
10. the left has been told for 30 years now is not the time. Well we are getting tired of waiting.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:37 PM
Oct 2013

People are getting pissed. Wages are down, college costs are crippling, and historically low cost of living increases to SS are pissing people off. There will be a lot more democratic Ted Cruzes very soon.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
16. Exactly. And I hope they start not long after the 14 elections. Most people vote with their
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:23 PM
Oct 2013

pocketbooks. That's the reason the Republicans have obstructed any attempt by Obama or congress to stimulate the economy. They know their kiss of death (pre-shutdown) is a good economy in 2014 and 2016. If we take congress in 2014 and can do what is needed economically, as people start to do better financially (and under Democratic control no less) they'll realize which party takes care of Americans. Then the move back to the left begins. The better everyone is doing, the less likely they are to believe the conspiracy theories and right wing media. How can rw media scream the country is being ruined by the democrats when everything is getting better? That's exactly why they don't want the country to get better, exactly why they don't want to tell you what their plans are. They just want things to stay bad and have folks vote with their pocketbooks.

Not edited for grammar or structure. A rant only.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
14. I suspect that Ted Cruz is *only* out to promote Ted Cruz...
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:15 PM
Oct 2013

...and no one else, no matter how purely wingnut.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
20. That's the part I can't figure.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:24 AM
Oct 2013

Hasn't he gotten the message that he will not be nominated for president, and that no establishment Republicans will be seen in the same cafeteria, much less a caucus? Is he just auditioning for a gig on Fox?

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
22. No, he is trying to get the establishment Republicans kicked out of the party
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 06:22 AM
Oct 2013

for not being conservative enough.

It is a preemptive strike.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
23. He'd better be hoping for economic collapse, then.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 06:48 AM
Oct 2013

I don't see him seizing power without a mohawk, leather jockstrap and hockey mask.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
24. You and I don't see it, but....
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 08:11 AM
Oct 2013

you need to remember that these people believe that Romney and McCain were not conservative enough to win.

They honestly believe that a "pure" conservative can draw clear distinctions between themselves and the Democrats and that a majority of people will side with them.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. "in the largest sense, his strategy is working"
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:28 PM
Oct 2013

How so? Obamacare became more popular, big government became more popular, Democrats moved ahead in the congressional ballot, and Republicans became less popular than athlete's foot.

There's no strategic win there.

What matters is winning elections.

 

Dwayne Hicks

(637 posts)
13. No thanks
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:47 PM
Oct 2013

Democrats do not need anyone like Ted Cruz. Unlike him and his ilk Democrats deal in reality.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
25. Isolated tactical successes in a strategically negative situation don't mean much.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:06 AM
Oct 2013

This guy is grabbing at straws. It is true that Cruz has done great harm, but breaking things is easy, it doesn't mean he is clever.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
28. Cruz is only popular with extremists Republicans who give him a standing ovation..
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:39 AM
Oct 2013

you know, as "it's great to be back in America."

The one lesson I want everyone to learn from Cruz is how important it is to vote and be involved.

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