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http://www.thenation.com/article/176795/what-democrats-can-learn-ted-cruz?rel=emailNation
In the short-term calculation, Cruz was disastrously wrong; no populist revolt against Obamacare was in the making. In fact, his theatrics cost the Republicans a chance to score easy points against the bungled rollout of HealthCare.gov, as John McCain testily pointed out on CNN. In the medium view, his insurrection escalated a long-simmering feud between the Tea Party and the GOP establishment into an all-out civil war that will convulse the party through at least the midterm elections. But in the largest sense, his strategy is working. As George Packer pointed out in The New Yorker, the government that emerged from sixteen days of a shutdown was dealt a thousand paper cuts, as already overloaded and underfunded agencies became even less efficient, less responsive to the needs of ordinary citizens. Meanwhile, another round of budget cuts and another debt ceiling showdown loom, and Cruz, for one, has already pledged to shut down the government again.
This is bad news for the Democratic Party, whose response to the Tea Partys histrionics has been to seek the sensible center, playing the soporific role of pragmatic, compromise-seeking adult technocrats. As long as a majority of the GOP is hell-bent on breaking bad, this identity positions the Democrats as contrast winners. But put in the context of historic and rising inequality, shrinking government budgets, unabated unemployment and foreclosure crises, and crumbling schools and roads, Democrats start to look like management consultants in cheap suits brought in to wind down the American empire.
And heres where Cruz has two things right: the ordinary Washington rules no longer apply, and it will take a peoples insurrectionnot Beltway business as usualto fix whats broke. But in contrast to Cruz, President Obama has consistently used the shutdown to draw unnecessary distinctions between governance and activism of any sort. At a press conference one day after the shutdown ended, he advised the political class to stop focusing on the lobbyists and the bloggers and the talking heads on radio and the professional activists who profit from conflict, as if activists and bloggers from both sides of the aisle were equally responsible for the fiasco.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Democrats win by being the grownups in the room.
We don't need a grenade thrower like Cruz that is tossing from the left.
The GOP is on the run and cracking up. Emulating them would be colossally stupid.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--both reasonable and highly popular, like no cuts to SocSec and Medicare, reining in big banks, financial transaction tax, no more pro-corporate "free" trade agreements. They don't need to be screamers or to threaten to shut down the government if the demands aren't met.
The OP simply points out that Cruz believes in something. Democrats used to, and should again. (OK, the Progressive Caucus does, but they all need to.)
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Republicans he derides.
The only difference is that they're concerned with results, whereas he's concerned with being the purest wingnut in the room.
eridani
(51,907 posts)And thereby successfully advances the conservative agenda.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)reasonable Republicans.
He's put the Republicans in a terrible position (one they deserve of course)--either they continue to pander to the crazies and alienate the persuadeable voters and even the few remaining moderate Republican voters out there, or they start acting sane, and wind up setting off a civil war within the GOP that results in one side losing, getting demoralized, and staying home in 2014.
eridani
(51,907 posts)The sequester is still causing all the damage to government effectiveness that they could possibly home for and more.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)and Rep. Grayson.
I like your thinking on this
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)We have to get rid of Trickle Down economics, and our current crop of moderate democrats are not going to do anything to get rid of Trickle Down economics.
Cha
(297,275 posts)scruz, the nation. Thanks for nothing.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)It is my belief that Sen. Cruz is trying to expose Republicans that are not Conservative enough for the Republican primary voter.
This is an attempt to unseat them and replace some portion of them with people he/they do consider Conservative enough.
The longer term plan being to not have another Mitt Romney as a Presidential candidate. Even McCain won't float their boat. They want a "Real" Conservative as their nominee next time and to do that they need more Teabagger influence within the party, even if the party needs to shrink as a whole.
A people's insurrection is unlikely. The decline of the Republican party is far more likely. If we assume that this happens, then Democrats should be able to gain enough power to fix what is broken.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)Republican voters are mad at the Republicans. if we go on the offensive, or state more radical positions, I believe they will come to the defense of the Republicans. They are mad at the gop, but haven't abandoned it YET. We can't say, the left has the answer to what's ailing the right in today's political climate.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)People are getting pissed. Wages are down, college costs are crippling, and historically low cost of living increases to SS are pissing people off. There will be a lot more democratic Ted Cruzes very soon.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)pocketbooks. That's the reason the Republicans have obstructed any attempt by Obama or congress to stimulate the economy. They know their kiss of death (pre-shutdown) is a good economy in 2014 and 2016. If we take congress in 2014 and can do what is needed economically, as people start to do better financially (and under Democratic control no less) they'll realize which party takes care of Americans. Then the move back to the left begins. The better everyone is doing, the less likely they are to believe the conspiracy theories and right wing media. How can rw media scream the country is being ruined by the democrats when everything is getting better? That's exactly why they don't want the country to get better, exactly why they don't want to tell you what their plans are. They just want things to stay bad and have folks vote with their pocketbooks.
Not edited for grammar or structure. A rant only.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Sanders.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...and no one else, no matter how purely wingnut.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Hasn't he gotten the message that he will not be nominated for president, and that no establishment Republicans will be seen in the same cafeteria, much less a caucus? Is he just auditioning for a gig on Fox?
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)for not being conservative enough.
It is a preemptive strike.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)I don't see him seizing power without a mohawk, leather jockstrap and hockey mask.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)you need to remember that these people believe that Romney and McCain were not conservative enough to win.
They honestly believe that a "pure" conservative can draw clear distinctions between themselves and the Democrats and that a majority of people will side with them.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)How so? Obamacare became more popular, big government became more popular, Democrats moved ahead in the congressional ballot, and Republicans became less popular than athlete's foot.
There's no strategic win there.
What matters is winning elections.
Dwayne Hicks
(637 posts)Democrats do not need anyone like Ted Cruz. Unlike him and his ilk Democrats deal in reality.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)This guy is grabbing at straws. It is true that Cruz has done great harm, but breaking things is easy, it doesn't mean he is clever.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)you know, as "it's great to be back in America."
The one lesson I want everyone to learn from Cruz is how important it is to vote and be involved.