What assholes!

It's rare for a customer to go as far as that one did, but you can see it on people's faces a lot of the time.

What horrible people.

It's good to see that this kind of bigotry now is seen as so negative that it makes the news and inspires so much support for the victim.

delight of having spread hostilities and evilness, wrapping it under the banner of their god making them oh such special beings. However, today, their hostilities and evilness are exposed to the world, unmasked, letting others see them for the wretched despicable beings they are.

aspect of social media.

Anyone who still believes in ancient superstitions and the nonexistent supernatural.

Topeka, Ks. home of the Westboro Baptist Church and super crazy Phelps family. That note reads like one the Phelps' wrote it.

They don't strike me as a Carraba's crowd though. I think Golden Coral would be more their "idear" of good eatin'

I chuckled at how specific you were a little, though. One hr and 4 minutes, huh?

I met many homophobic men when I was in the Army and when I worked for a temp agency as a clerk for the SAPD. I notice that this kind of behavior seems to be endemic in occupations where men are predominant and where there is a history of harassment against women and gays. I suppose it's a form of insecurity in one's sexuality that's projected as hostility against LGBT individuals. I've noticed that female homophobes tend to be more hateful in male oriented occupations as well. I don't know why that is. But, this is all anecdotal on my part. Others might have noticed different perspectives of behavior from their own viewpoints and experiences.

sexual orientation, race, ageism, whatever ... they find a target group to kick around. Hatefulness just seems to be endemic to certain individuals and group think reinforces it and/or encourages this despicable behavior. I think it cuts across all religions, sexes, etc.

I hear a lot of libertarians ranting on comments sections against the elderly getting social security and disparaging progress made in the women's movements and civil rights. They confuse the hell out of me. They seem to hate everyone across the board. I hate to say that I'm just as guilty of prejudice as they are because I thoroughly return the favor and dislike them heartily.

making others miserable, and some of them are true sociopaths.

because the lack empathy. sociopaths don't understand emotions like love, compassion, empathy, etc. they only understand anger, manipulation, pain, etc.

behavior, to adapt and change for the better. Instead, they arrogantly maintain their hatred.

it a constant barrage of negativity and vitriol. happy, well-adjusted, normal people don't spew hatred 24/7.

diet of that stuff. It's distorted and depressing, definitely serving IMO maladjusted individuals.

Going back to basics, if they are constantly in pain, that wouldn't leave them a lot of mental space to try and grow. Or to be compassionate.

Think of a rat with a gaping wound. Its not likely to be curious or compassionate. More likely to lash out indiscriminately at anyone interacting with it, even if they were trying to help it.

them some brains ASAP!

That is sex.. Once or twice when they are young to procreate!

I think GOD could arrange that no good and decent folk get caught in the ... festivities.

That would be a really shitty load of Karma!

Heh! Heh heh!!!

Load!

Thanks Blanche~

Sunday mornings in their Hall of Indoctrination...for ETERNITY

with the good people. Look at whom they elect to office, it's a good indication of what Kansas is about.

it was a reference to an old book by that name

take it from me - I understand your comment - I am from Florida

but then again they could have been from anywhere in the states including Kansas.

Because I know it won't last more than a minute....

I live in Kansas. It's entirely possible (since this restaurant is literally miles from the MO state line, that these people were from MO (or even elsewhere). There are decent, progressive, intelligent people who live in Kansas. Unfortunately, we don't get the attention that the right wing, nutjob, Fred Phelps's of the world do. And of course, we're outnumbered. But we're here ... trust me. I mean seriously, we elected Kathleen Sebelius Governor!

will get it that they are the deceitful and will realize what deluded fools they are. Who, in their right mind, could cozy up to asses like this and think of them as the 'good and faithful' people. These, are god bullies.

They would rather see their neighbor turned into an Old Testament Pillar of salt for what they perceive as wrong doings while the new testament says Love your neighbor as yourself. This is also the Mega-church doctrine of God Loves the Rich White Heterosexual Male and that he made that Class rich because they are chosen to rule over the rest of us, while if you read the new testament you find the Christ was poor and advocated for the poor, chasing the money changers out of the Temple and telling his disciples that "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." He actually demands that the rich give up their wealth and give it to the poor. So the Dominionist idea of rich white men who are chosen by God to rule the rest of us is just Ted Cruz Crazy.

I was brought up christian so know some of the bible and am a Unitarian myself because the idea of waiting for heaven after you die instead of working for good here on Earth today seems like another big lie to me.

We cannot condemn just one group of Christians, for they all follow the same god and read/believe the same book. Some just interpret it differently that others.

By giving one group, with whom you agree/approve of their interpretation, legitimacy in their beliefs you give the same to them all.

Perhaps the issue here is believing in absurd and irrational supernatural nonsense, not which particular absurd and irrational supernatural nonsense.

YMMV

The scourge of Calvinism is the true evil in American history, politics, and self image. Our national icons for "religious freedom" were and still are the least tolerant among us. Those who think they are God's Chosen, those they see their wealth gained by exploiting everyone else is really a sign from God confirming superior position.

Those New England merchants ran the slave trade, the awful ships, the cane plantations, the distilleries, insurance, banks, shipyards -- the whole mess. The slave trade was centered around Newport, RI. Over 95% of the slaves they brought to the America's went to South and Central American, often to plantations owned by the same families whose wealth allowed them to rewrite history.

Christians should stay out of the Old Testent unless accompanied by a rabbi with all the other books.

It's substituting mythology for reality and insisting that doing so be respected as an equally plausible explanation regardless where one stands on the liberal-conservative spectrum.

the more populous our species becomes -- with the commensurate stresses of scarce resources, global climate change, and destructive pollution -- the more we (a significant percentage of us) cling to our mythologies. I hoped we might witness a spiritual paradigm shift during my lifetime, but -- alas -- such global gnosis seems highly unlikely.

(I do not believe in a sky god or any other purposeful paternal "creator.&quot

People like that (the Republican base, at its finest) are dying out. Look at the attitudes of the younger generations, and you can see it. Also look at the social condemnation. You wouldn't have seen that kind of response twenty years ago.

The internet has made the world a better place in many ways. This is just one example. We the People of the United States gave the internet to the world ... for free. Let us never forget that.



-Laelth

On all counts!

Julie

Maybe not acting it out to this extreme, but they're the same.

That REALLY makes me ill when I see younger people on the hate trip.

And you're right--they're getting outed thanks to the innertubez!!!!!

Geee that's sweet poetic justice!! Come out come out wherever you are!!

the creepy RW/religious trolls and like were going to die out ... and yet they are still here, some of my generation grew up to be just what we despised in the 60's. That said, in the big picture, I do agree, I think they are going away, some through death and others through exposure via the internet. And some, will also realize how fucked up their programming has been and might well change.

than the waiter.

Use god as an instrument of hate. Have mercy on their souls.

These people just blasphemed!

...to avoid paying a tip!

did he MENTION that he was gay or something? was he wearing a pin? Hi I'm your waiter anthony. I'll be serving you today and by the way I am gay?!?! we despise gays so much that we would allow one to serve us and then screw him out of a tip. perhaps they should have asked to be seated in the non gay section.

how wonderfully self assured they are, while exusing christlike qualities

also driving a car.

There are so many other environmentally responsible ways of commuting about the earth.

Fuck 'em.

I've never been able to have much respect for much of "christianity", to wit:
Starting right from my birthright, shunned by the puritanical european bloodline, and called my branch of their family "the bad blood". We had to sit at a separate table to eat when my great grandparents were still alive, when visiting my grandparents. They really thought of us as unchristian, soulless creatures due to our "mixed", native blood, and more recently found out some of them in the midwest still think of us that way even in this more enlightened age. No kidding! My other grandma, who was half creek, told me to watch out for christians, reminded me always that they systematically enslaved, tortured and murdered many of my ancestors. Her view on the bible was that it may have been inspired by god, but written by the fallible hands of man.
As a youth, christian-bashing of me as a gay teen became inordinate bullying, justified by their faith. My parents made life unbearable for me, and a local minister banished me when I sought refuge. The only church that eventually fed and sheltered me was Glide Memorial. I even got to meet the master of "christian" hate himself, Fred Phelps, in a ruse plotted to land me in front of him for a hellfire damnation of my soul. I'd never met anyone so repulsive in all my 16 years. It was the beginning of the end of any sort of "normal" youth for me. After my father beat me and attempted to set up a death trap for his "fag" son, I ran away from home.
I still see christians as self-righteous, egocentrical bigots, for the most part. Very few exceptions. I have so much more respect for native american spirtual beliefs, those who didn't get infiltrated by so called "christian" values. Christianity creates the ultimate "consumer", those who slash and burn the land's resources, pollute and so many return nothing at all to the land that sustains them. All justified by some god-given right to those resources over and above "those heathens" over there. They think god put that gun in their hands to murder, mass relocate, enslave and steal the fertile, water accessible lands. Some still even adopt the moniker "inquisitor", convinced of their afterlife placement plan in some golden heaven. They will never know why they have so many karmic lives to lead through the past, present and future. They are naive to the curse of the spirals that actually renders their lives meaningless spins of futility, yet convinced of their spiritual superiority. My blood, and my "schooling of hard knocks" has rendered me able to see so many ironies behind the "american splendor" facade.
There's only one christian prayer I say with regularity: "Jesus save me from your followers. Amen."

This person's views toward a collective group is no different.

I am proud of my church and my Christian views. I also am empathetic towards others. Just this week, I got my haircut by an extremely effeminate male. During the course of the conversation, it was clear he has had a tough life, up to and including recently. I did not see a gay man. I saw an individual having a difficult time and so I tipped him over 50% for the haircut because I could and I felt it was the right thing to do.

To lump me in with this assholes is just as disgusting as other people lumping groups of people.

And mentioned that Glide Church did provide me with needed sustenence. I'm just putting out there my personal spiritual point of view, which includes much of, organized christianity. I have been subject to extremes of NON-empathy by that faith, and not implying or lumping all followers into that category. I'm taking it your beliefs don't condone those of the Westboro bunch, do they? I feel the truly personal followers of christ, who aren't prone to bigotry, who leave judgement up to christ, aren't so bad.
But don't misconstrue my extremely torrid experiences with many who call themselves christian as blanket bigotry towards them. I know some nuns who have helped me heal from that tendency. They are true to their vows, and that is fine. I wouldn't even pretend to judge you personally, but your faith system in general does have certain flaws that leave some children out in the cold, literally.

I mean, liberals are definitely in the minority of Christianity.

Don't you ever feel guilty just by association?

What is it about the religion that causes most followers to be so conservative? Doesn't it ever bother you?

Catholic community in 2004 in the middle of the homily because I could no longer be a part of sanctioned hate.

Historically, the majority of Catholics are Democratic. Currently, it appears it is relatively equal. The problem is that there are two issues that we as a nation are fixated on (not saying it is right or wrong) - abortion and gay rights. THIS, therefore, is what people tend to see, what is focused on and what we hear about. To a lesser extent, women not being allowed in the priesthood also upsets a lot of people. However, in my church and my diocese, anything gender related ends there. Girls are altar servers, women are lectors, women are EME's, etc.

However, if you look at other issues like poverty, capital punishment, assistance for drug/alcohol abuse, etc. the church is VERY liberal. While these collective views contribute to Catholics being strong supporters of the Democratic party, many people focus on 1 or 2 issues and use that to paint the collective view of the church and all its members.

very good religious people as you discussed, that get overshadowed by the outrageously negative aspect of some people in religious.

deceitfulness and evilness ... and their perverse love of persecuting others. Also, when I see a business put up a god banner, that is one place I will never do business with, I won't trust them. Yes, "Jesus save me from your followers. Amen."

I became a Christian as a young boy in high school and ended up a few years later rejecting the religion completely because of the hypocrisy and judgmental nature of so many who also called themselves Christians. It wasn't a deliberate decision, just a slow realization that something seemed way off. And I had plenty of good experiences while engaged with the church. I can only imagine how you felt having seen the horribleness of the deep seated hatred so many of these people have. I've come to understand that the consequences of their own thoughts and actions are laying out their "path to redemption" and it's not at all what they imagine in their Christian delusions.

I'm so impressed by your historical and philosophical perspective, honed and tempered by your native heritage and the "school of hard knocks." I hope that you'll write more about your experiences and the schism in your family, because it has yielded wisdom that I, for one, don't see often. Your life has been an amazing ride through the ups and downs and oddities of Americana and would make a remarkable book.

The religious societies are a bunch of clowns.

and his father promised them that Ted is one of their kings who will take the wealth of nonbelievers and deliver that wealth to them.

So what's the difference between Satan worshipers and these so-called Christians? At least the Satan worshipers would be living up to their principles.

I waited tables decades ago, working through college. Ditto for my wife. Both our children did the same.

The absolute worst tippers are the Sunday-after-church crowd. Ask any waiter/waitress and they'll tell you the same thing.

Second worst are well-dressed women who appear to have lots of money. Bitchy, demanding, treat wait staff like shit, don't tip.

Fat guys who laugh a lot and young couples with small children are the best tippers.

I was a hotel guy in the '80s...the religious groups were terrible tippers...Amway conventions sucked as well.

with regularity.

But even more puzzling - how can **anyone** really know a person's sexuality just from an interaction like this one? What assholes.

Mean people suck.

but I guess another thread is cool.

What boggles my mind is that these people (and I use the term loosely) apparently had no problem talking with this server, putting in their order, letting this server give them their drinks and food (including refills), but all of a sudden got jabbed in the ass by their 'conscience' when it came time to tip? And how did they know the server was homosexual? As far as I can remember, I don't think Carraba's issues uniforms with a big red 'H' emblazoned on the sleeve.

If they truly abhor homosexuality, then they should not patronize businesses who hire homosexuals (following their logic, such as it is). They should run as far and as fast out of any establishment where they see homosexuals employed with the potential to interact with or serve them. Frankly, I think they're going to starve to death real soon unless they start eating at home. And they should also boycott clothing stores who employ gays or sell clothing made/designed by anyone LGBT. Another reason to stay home to eat ... they'll be naked.

Because chances are, there is a gay family member somewhere in there. Idiots.

I can't wrap my brain around the idea the a customer would not only stiff a server but go out of their way to make sure he knows why they did it.

What's with these people who all of a sudden are compelled to write some kind of a nasty note on the check?

"Baby, remember this ... some people just rattle to hear themselves think."

Another myth which I always counter with "So you could choose to be gay and take a same sex partner?" If not then why do you see a person's whole life as a choice rather than an expression of who they are. There are even gene markers for homosexuality - its part biology! Look at nature and science and you will find a whole continuum of male to female not just either or.

decided to be heterosexual. Not that I very often have conversations with anti-gay idiots, but it's very interesting to have them sputter and say they were always heterosexual. Really? But you just said that gay is a choice, which means straight is a choice also, and I want to know when and why you chose being straight.

Sometimes that simple question actually makes them see sense.

I like it!

gives them a cloak within which to exercise their hatred. Same goes with 'fake' patriots wrapping themselves in flag to exercise their hatred.

I laugh at these types of people knowing how utterly ignorant and stupid they are.

to the "Can you be friends with a conservative?" thread. Apparently not this one.

Let that sink in.

but how do these creeps know the Waiter is Gay? I've never had a Waiter come up to my table and tell me about his or her sexual orientation. Usually they just want to know what you'd like to have for your meal.

What, was there a neon sign above his head or something? How were they able to tell??

Along with that giant paragraph written on the back of a dinkie creditcard receipt. It's a great scam for a server to get bigger and more tips.

Maybe it's a town where people know each other and so they just know him on that type of basis?

Satan is nothing compared to God, and Satan is really only God's lackey after all. The only people Satan killed in the Bible was because God told him too. God's kill count on the other hand....

The foundational problem is religion itself. It's an irrational, dangerous belief system.

It's how you have millions of progressive people worshiping the same hateful, genocidal god as these fuckers do, and not think twice about it. It's how hateful beliefs based on religion by conservative religious people can never be defeated by religious reasoning from progressive religious people, because they're using the same flawed system of belief, and there is no reasoning in religion. It's how millions of self-identified liberals enable and perpetuate stupid beliefs, and willingly associate themselves with explicitly bigoted belief systems. Faith is celebrating gullibility as a virtue.

Let's take this to it's logical conclusion, what does it sound like what they want for and from the gay community?

away main issue, but that they were willing to interact in a normal human manner right up to the point when their own responsibility kicked in betrays a stinking load of hypocrisy and selfishness. Really vile people: if their god actually exists, I'm certain they'll get a scathing lecture - referencing several well-known Biblical points - before the boot downstairs...

They still are the food

Just as the crises they fabricate, their bigoted god has no existence in the universe of reality.

n/t

Also, fundamentalists are the cheapest, most miserly wretches on the planet, from all the tales I've heard. I guess not being in perfect harmony with their blighted religion gives them a great excuse to be cheap jerks.

. . .when they stay in motels.

I had one tell me one time that he only gives 10% to God (his tithe) and he wasn't going to give some waitress 15%. I told him that God doesn't have any bills to pay and doesn't make $2.13 and hour.

I did a lot of waitressing in college and always hated to see the Sunday-after-church crowd coming. Most were horrible tippers (if they tipped at all), were condescending and bossy, and complained about everything.

That the quality of the service did not justify a tip.

Pure, 100%, Grade A bigotry right there. Too bad the couple isn't known so they can be shamed publicly.

that's what so galling about the religiously insane...they truly believe they are right to hate. in fact, i'm sure they don't see it as hatred; they are just their god's servants.

It makes a good bumper sticker because it's true.

"We hope you will see the tip your (homosexual slur) choices made you lose out on, and plan accordingly."

It's okay for these people to cheat and steal, so long as they are cheating and stealing from people who don't abide by their religion's rules, which would include rules against cheating and stealing.

judge not lest ye be judged...

Great Christians we have there.

And some mouth breathing kansas teabagger prolly from Westboro Baptist Church of Ayn Rand attacks him viciously for it?!

Kansas is a God forsaken hellhole for anyone that not white rich and repig. The state is run by haters and racists of the worse kind.

Missouri ain't much better but abandon all hope as you enter the reich wing teabag paradise of Brownbackistan Kansas!

What a low life slime..after calling this poor guy a f** three times he throws in.."its never to late for God's love!

That pig better hope so!

And how can you tell someone is guy by how they serve you?

that so many people are stepping up to share their wealth with this waiter. I have a feeling that this has backfired badly on the assholes who stiffed him. He will have his share of the wealth tenfold because of this.

As to the customers, they would burn in hell if there was such a place. Times like this make me hope that I am wrong and that there is a hell, just for these people and all like them.

special sauce in their meal.

read this thoughtful note and come to his senses. Thank god for fine Christians such as this. It is people like this that really communicate the love of Jesus to the world.
I was once a (homosexual slur) as well but someone wrote me a note, I took it to heart and became a bigot that very day.

He failed to stop gay marriage in Argentina as a Cardinal and may realize it isn't UP to the Church to legislate against people's sexual choices.

That being the open loving place people can go to worship is kind of more what the Church should be about.

Dragging GOD into a lousy tip is SUCH an insult to GOD and Christians everywhere. Jesus did not DIE on a Cross so people could HATE in His name. What idiots.

They should plan to wake up in Hell by their own rules of Christianity. Hypocrits.

Say it loudly and with feeling "Dominionist!" Make "Dominionist" as bad as the right has made "Liberal".

After hearing Valerie Plame discusse them for how dangerou they are, this guy fits the bill.

Inside the Christian Right Dominionist Movement That's Undermining Democracy

Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin have all flirted with Christian Right Dominionism, but there's lots of misinformation about just what that means.

Dominionists want to impose a form of Christian nationalism on the United States, a concept that was dismissed as eroding freedom and democracy by the founders of our country. Dominionism has become a major influence on the right-wing populist Tea Parties as Christian Right activists have flooded into the movement at the grassroots.

http://www.publiceye.org/christian_right/dominionism.htm

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And you know they must have considered asking to sit in a different section, but chose to stay instead so they could teach him some kind of Godly lesson...

Self-righteous pricks.

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do they drag God down to their level?