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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOn Revolution: 'We No Longer Have the Luxury of Tradition' by Russell Brand
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/10/25-0When I was asked to edit an issue of the New Statesman I said yes because it was a beautiful woman asking me. I chose the subject of revolution because the New Statesman is a political magazine and imagining the overthrow of the current political system is the only way I can be enthused about politics.
When people talk about politics within the existing Westminster framework I feel a dull thud in my stomach and my eyes involuntarily glaze. Like when Im conversing and the subject changes from me and moves on to another topic. I try to remain engaged but behind my eyes I am adrift in immediate nostalgia; How happy I was earlier in this chat, I instantly think.
I have never voted. Like most people I am utterly disenchanted by politics. Like most people I regard politicians as frauds and liars and the current political system as nothing more than a bureaucratic means for furthering the augmentation and advantages of economic elites. Billy Connolly said: Dont vote, it encourages them, and, The desire to be a politician should bar you for life from ever being one.
I dont vote because to me it seems like a tacit act of compliance; I know, I know my grandparents fought in two world wars (and one World Cup) so that Id have the right to vote. Well, they were conned. As far as Im concerned there is nothing to vote for. I feel it is a far more potent political act to completely renounce the current paradigm than to participate in even the most trivial and tokenistic manner, by obediently X-ing a little box.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)Hm.
Oh, but it's lovable eccentric Russell Brand! Maybe it's a sort of lovable eccentric not voting that's actually smart!
Ummm
bobduca
(1,763 posts)Jeremy Paxman the interviewer is obsessed with that point and wont let it go. I think Brand makes him look rather silly.
On edit, sorry noticed the common dreams article was just the article and not the interview with Paxman.
Courtesy Flush
(4,558 posts)trying to get progressives not to vote, thank you very much.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)Jeremy Paxman is that you?
Courtesy Flush
(4,558 posts)then tell people not to vote?
Don't tell me that voting doesn't change things. When Tea Partiers started voting for what they wanted, look what happened!
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)politicians in Congress will wait until election time to do anything about the voter suppression. They will make promises about what they will do after the election to get votes and after the election they will go back to the do nothing Congress because it is not election time mode. I would never tell anyone not to vote, but I can certainly understand why people wouldn't vote. I am almost there myself. I may try working and voting outside the two party system, but even that doesn't really accomplish much. I can completely understand why people would decide not to vote. The whole system is corrupt and until we get a new system we the people will not be represented.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)I vote for democrats. I recommend people vote. I don't support false equivalence narrative in the media.
I understand that common practice here is to stone anyone who dares to contradict that sacred cow as some secret evil repbublican dupe....
The kneejerk rituals here get tiresome don't they?
Dwayne Hicks
(637 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)with their vote, have a glitch in their logic process. Most times I think it is partly a petulant emotional reaction; cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
Even in a pseudo democracy like ours, Democrats clearly support human rights, and better environmental policies than republicans.
Some pluses are always better than many minuses when it comes to the progress of the human condition. Better two steps forward than a thousand steps back.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)It's one thing to be disgusted with Presidential Candidates and write in a different name or vote Green or whatever. But at the local level its too important not to get familiar with who is running for town or city council, for police chief, judges, school board mayor and governor plus House and Senate Reps. So much focus on Presidential Elections while the rot starts at the bottom. And, the Mid-Term elections are important...yet get ignored except by the power interests who can get their voters out mostly on social/religious issues.
If you have to choose to be either punched in the face or stabbed in the belly, do the actual choosing! Commenting that being punched isn't nice MISSES THE POINT.
There's no other game BUT democracy. All the other games are charnel houses.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)While indulging in every benefit that system provides.
And, he's just not funny
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)between sips of imported vanilla chai tea with freshly shaved nutmeg.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)a more fair distribution of money.
polichick
(37,152 posts)nothing more than a bureaucratic means for furthering the augmentation and advantages of economic elites."
So true - I don't disagree with the idea of a "revolution" but do think the stakes are too high (with crazy end timers actually winning seats) not to vote. I get that we may have to hit rock bottom in order for the revolution to materialize but just can't stop myself from voting against the nuts.
SamYeager
(309 posts)and then never seeing her again face to face?
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)http://www.theguardian.com/stage/theatreblog/2008/jul/16/russellbrand
If only Russell Brand could use his cleverness for more than humiliation:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/19/russell-brand-msnbc-morning-joe-humiliation
In assholic move, Russell Brand forces wardrobe girl to show him her tits:
http://jezebel.com/5931530/in-assholic-move-russell-brand-forces-wardrobe-girl-to-show-him-her-tits
He's a colossal asscarrot, and why anyone would give a flying shit about his opinion is beyond me.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)But I see this reaction to it from every airhead on FaceBook who has never really followed, studied or understood politics: They verbally distance themselves from it, probably because they are so under informed on the subject they don't know which politicians are safe to admit to supporting. So they condemn the whole lot of them in an attempt to hide their ignorance and appear superior. It's too hard to think about or follow so they just would rather resign themselves to the quick physical solution of throwing the "bums" out rather than observing the political process, reading up on politics and forming an educated and productive (as opposed to destructive) opinion.
Edit: Okay, I just watched the video. He does seem to understand some key issues and, to an extent, I see his point. But I don't know if I'd want to follow a comedian into battle.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)So, he's just another glib talker saying, "Let's you and him fight." He may renounce the "current paradigm," but offers no alternative one or any idea on how an alternative paradigm might come to be.
I'm afraid that Russell Brand's vision leads nowhere. Too bad. He's a good talker.