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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:08 AM Oct 2013

On Revolution: 'We No Longer Have the Luxury of Tradition' by Russell Brand

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/10/25-0

When I was asked to edit an issue of the New Statesman I said yes because it was a beautiful woman asking me. I chose the subject of revolution because the New Statesman is a political magazine and imagining the overthrow of the current political system is the only way I can be enthused about politics.

When people talk about politics within the existing Westminster framework I feel a dull thud in my stomach and my eyes involuntarily glaze. Like when I’m conversing and the subject changes from me and moves on to another topic. I try to remain engaged but behind my eyes I am adrift in immediate nostalgia; “How happy I was earlier in this chat,” I instantly think.

I have never voted. Like most people I am utterly disenchanted by politics. Like most people I regard politicians as frauds and liars and the current political system as nothing more than a bureaucratic means for furthering the augmentation and advantages of economic elites. Billy Connolly said: “Don’t vote, it encourages them,” and, “The desire to be a politician should bar you for life from ever being one.”

I don’t vote because to me it seems like a tacit act of compliance; I know, I know my grandparents fought in two world wars (and one World Cup) so that I’d have the right to vote. Well, they were conned. As far as I’m concerned there is nothing to vote for. I feel it is a far more potent political act to completely renounce the current paradigm than to participate in even the most trivial and tokenistic manner, by obediently X-ing a little box.
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On Revolution: 'We No Longer Have the Luxury of Tradition' by Russell Brand (Original Post) xchrom Oct 2013 OP
Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Oct 2013 #1
Does he use money? If so, he's still participating in the "current paradigm". JoePhilly Oct 2013 #2
A k&r for Mr. Brand. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #3
"Don't vote", huh? sibelian Oct 2013 #4
watch the clip! bobduca Oct 2013 #5
I think there are quite enough people who are Courtesy Flush Oct 2013 #6
So don't watch the clip... bobduca Oct 2013 #7
Really? We're going to fight against voter suppression Courtesy Flush Oct 2013 #18
first of all what is Congress doing about the voter suppression? Nothing. The corrupt liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #20
Good lord just watch it or not bobduca Oct 2013 #21
Voter ID says HI! Dwayne Hicks Oct 2013 #8
People who don't vote, when there is a chance to do even just a little genuine good Zorra Oct 2013 #9
Indeed. Particularly in local elections where it begins. KoKo Oct 2013 #14
Exactly. sibelian Oct 2013 #17
Kick bobduca Oct 2013 #10
Very nice, thanks for posting! nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #11
Pardon me if I ignore yet another yahoo with the luxury to pretend they operate outside the system. cleanhippie Oct 2013 #12
Another 1% revolutionary plotting the people's liberation from his McMansion Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #13
Precisely. nt Union Scribe Oct 2013 #23
not all people with money are bad people. There are many people with money who would like to see liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #25
K&R deutsey Oct 2013 #15
"I regard politicians as frauds and liars and the current political system as... polichick Oct 2013 #16
Is "revolution" the same thing as telling your wife you are breaking up via text message SamYeager Oct 2013 #19
I posted this in another Russell Brand thread. He's a fucking asshole. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #22
I don't agree with his "don't vote" idea. He should be saying "get involved". nt CJCRANE Oct 2013 #24
I don't know how much Brand knows about politics Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #26
I cannot see this man taking up arms in a revolution. MineralMan Oct 2013 #27

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
4. "Don't vote", huh?
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:23 AM
Oct 2013

Hm.

Oh, but it's lovable eccentric Russell Brand! Maybe it's a sort of lovable eccentric not voting that's actually smart!

Ummm

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
5. watch the clip!
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:27 AM
Oct 2013

Jeremy Paxman the interviewer is obsessed with that point and wont let it go. I think Brand makes him look rather silly.

On edit, sorry noticed the common dreams article was just the article and not the interview with Paxman.

Courtesy Flush

(4,558 posts)
6. I think there are quite enough people who are
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:32 AM
Oct 2013

trying to get progressives not to vote, thank you very much.

Courtesy Flush

(4,558 posts)
18. Really? We're going to fight against voter suppression
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 02:34 PM
Oct 2013

then tell people not to vote?

Don't tell me that voting doesn't change things. When Tea Partiers started voting for what they wanted, look what happened!

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
20. first of all what is Congress doing about the voter suppression? Nothing. The corrupt
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 02:46 PM
Oct 2013

politicians in Congress will wait until election time to do anything about the voter suppression. They will make promises about what they will do after the election to get votes and after the election they will go back to the do nothing Congress because it is not election time mode. I would never tell anyone not to vote, but I can certainly understand why people wouldn't vote. I am almost there myself. I may try working and voting outside the two party system, but even that doesn't really accomplish much. I can completely understand why people would decide not to vote. The whole system is corrupt and until we get a new system we the people will not be represented.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
21. Good lord just watch it or not
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 02:47 PM
Oct 2013

I vote for democrats. I recommend people vote. I don't support false equivalence narrative in the media.

I understand that common practice here is to stone anyone who dares to contradict that sacred cow as some secret evil repbublican dupe....

The kneejerk rituals here get tiresome don't they?




Zorra

(27,670 posts)
9. People who don't vote, when there is a chance to do even just a little genuine good
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:40 AM
Oct 2013

with their vote, have a glitch in their logic process. Most times I think it is partly a petulant emotional reaction; cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

Even in a pseudo democracy like ours, Democrats clearly support human rights, and better environmental policies than republicans.

Some pluses are always better than many minuses when it comes to the progress of the human condition. Better two steps forward than a thousand steps back.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
14. Indeed. Particularly in local elections where it begins.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 11:25 AM
Oct 2013

It's one thing to be disgusted with Presidential Candidates and write in a different name or vote Green or whatever. But at the local level its too important not to get familiar with who is running for town or city council, for police chief, judges, school board mayor and governor plus House and Senate Reps. So much focus on Presidential Elections while the rot starts at the bottom. And, the Mid-Term elections are important...yet get ignored except by the power interests who can get their voters out mostly on social/religious issues.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
17. Exactly.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 02:16 PM
Oct 2013

If you have to choose to be either punched in the face or stabbed in the belly, do the actual choosing! Commenting that being punched isn't nice MISSES THE POINT.

There's no other game BUT democracy. All the other games are charnel houses.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
12. Pardon me if I ignore yet another yahoo with the luxury to pretend they operate outside the system.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 11:00 AM
Oct 2013

While indulging in every benefit that system provides.

And, he's just not funny

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
13. Another 1% revolutionary plotting the people's liberation from his McMansion
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 11:13 AM
Oct 2013

between sips of imported vanilla chai tea with freshly shaved nutmeg.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
25. not all people with money are bad people. There are many people with money who would like to see
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 02:52 PM
Oct 2013

a more fair distribution of money.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
16. "I regard politicians as frauds and liars and the current political system as...
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 01:56 PM
Oct 2013

nothing more than a bureaucratic means for furthering the augmentation and advantages of economic elites."

So true - I don't disagree with the idea of a "revolution" but do think the stakes are too high (with crazy end timers actually winning seats) not to vote. I get that we may have to hit rock bottom in order for the revolution to materialize but just can't stop myself from voting against the nuts.

 

SamYeager

(309 posts)
19. Is "revolution" the same thing as telling your wife you are breaking up via text message
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 02:36 PM
Oct 2013

and then never seeing her again face to face?

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
22. I posted this in another Russell Brand thread. He's a fucking asshole.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 02:48 PM
Oct 2013
Russell Brand prank calls a rape crisis center:
http://www.theguardian.com/stage/theatreblog/2008/jul/16/russellbrand

If only Russell Brand could use his cleverness for more than humiliation:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/19/russell-brand-msnbc-morning-joe-humiliation

In assholic move, Russell Brand forces wardrobe girl to show him her tits:
http://jezebel.com/5931530/in-assholic-move-russell-brand-forces-wardrobe-girl-to-show-him-her-tits


He's a colossal asscarrot, and why anyone would give a flying shit about his opinion is beyond me.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
26. I don't know how much Brand knows about politics
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 03:08 PM
Oct 2013

But I see this reaction to it from every airhead on FaceBook who has never really followed, studied or understood politics: They verbally distance themselves from it, probably because they are so under informed on the subject they don't know which politicians are safe to admit to supporting. So they condemn the whole lot of them in an attempt to hide their ignorance and appear superior. It's too hard to think about or follow so they just would rather resign themselves to the quick physical solution of throwing the "bums" out rather than observing the political process, reading up on politics and forming an educated and productive (as opposed to destructive) opinion.

Edit: Okay, I just watched the video. He does seem to understand some key issues and, to an extent, I see his point. But I don't know if I'd want to follow a comedian into battle.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
27. I cannot see this man taking up arms in a revolution.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 03:13 PM
Oct 2013

So, he's just another glib talker saying, "Let's you and him fight." He may renounce the "current paradigm," but offers no alternative one or any idea on how an alternative paradigm might come to be.

I'm afraid that Russell Brand's vision leads nowhere. Too bad. He's a good talker.

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