Given some of the facts as they have been reported.

But to answer your question more directly, folks who own guns think about the responsibility and danger of carrying around guns and things that look like firearms.

I buy my child fake guns that look like fake guns to avoid tragic mistakes. If he ever gets an air soft we won't remove the orange tip or paint over it. He'll never walk around the neighborhood with a realistic airsoft.

And lots of opinions . I will wait for them to complete the investigation

You can wait for the police to scramble for "facts." Seven Bullets.

I don't do trial by internet where opinions are facts.

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Most of my family are of that type. I have been on DU since 2001 and had exactly one person on my ignore list up until the Zimmerman case. I now have 35 and everyone of those sick apologists had RKBA as their top group when I later checked their profiles. All of them.

Us vs. Them
Otherization
They can't wait for someone to try something with me so they can blow them away.
They don't like minorities.
Actually believe they have some right to deny minorities the right to live in their communities.
Paranoid idiots.

I live in a "stand your ground" state, and I hate to see him even walk over to a friend's. He thinks I'm crazy because I am constantly on him not to even step off the road onto the corner of somebody's lawn.

Because they are likely to be accosted by these murdering thugs?

Now we don't have to wait for them to burst through our front doors during a no-knock, SWAT team invasion of our homes, and mistake a child sleeping on the lving room couch for a threat and pump her full of lead?

Now, we have to watch out for them killing our kids in our front yards, in our neighborhood vacant lots, etc.?

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Poster line-items reasons for his hatred of gun-owners IN D.U., then threatens to "blow them away." These are clearly his or her words. I have seen others banned for this kind of threat, though never for a threat laced with such hypocrisy.

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"more balanced, more Constitutionally driven and more masculine."

He seems to think we need to become Fox News.

Perhaps the most blatant abuse of the alert system in an attempt to get a post hidden I've yet seen.

Edit - Make title clearer.

folks without a soul

but it's not okay for a 13 year old kid to walk around with a toy gun?

And yes, I noticed that too.

He was shot before the toy was pointed at the cop. Seven times.

nt.

then I will consider other options.

look like. (yes I've seen the picture) 7 shots into an unarmed 13 year old boy=murder. Plain and simple. Again, I am only glad the rookie showed restraint.

Taking up for him? That's simply sick. The officer wanted to kill. So he did.

The 2 fatal shots were to the front.

http://www.news10.net/news/article/261736/2/Autopsy-Teen-with-pellet-gun-shot-numerous-times

Killing Children is Not Acceptable even to hardened combat troops in a War Zone.

What makes you think it is acceptable in a Brown Neighborhood

That's good. For a minute there I thought you condoned such violence.

just pointing out that the facts don't fit your rendering of the story.

this worship of the gun is plumb crazy.

Murder means nothing to the self-righteous.

... MHO with SWAG

and have concealed carry permits in Florida. How could this happen if you are right and the "2nd amendment is a whites only law?"

In fact I really have no opinion myself at this point as I haven't read about the case.

I do have a couple of comments that do not necessarily apply to this incident.

1) Some "toy guns" look extremely realistic. It may not be wise for a parent to give their children such toys. In fact I feel giving any toy gun to a child may be a bad idea.

2) It is very unwise to point a toy gun at anyone unless of course you are engaged in some competition such as paintball or airsoft. I once knew a person who bought a realistic looking replica handgun for home defense. He just planned to point his toy gun at an intruder to scare him off. That might work against an unarmed intruder but unfortunately some intruders carry real firearms.

3) If some person pointed such a toy at me, I would feel threatened. It is amazing how big a firearm looks when it its pointed at you. I once had a double barreled shotgun pointed at me by a man who was five feet away and the barrels looked like two trashcans.

4) In recent years semi-auto pistols with high ammo capacities have become very popular. Consequently many shooters and police have a "fill the air with lead" philosophy of self defense. In the past revolvers with a six round capacity were popular. I still prefer revolvers but than most shooters consider me a dinosaur.

They are paranoid and fearful, especially of minorities.

Whatever it is they are afraid of, their only response is to try their best to shoot and kill it.

At first, I was somewhat accepting of the cops' version, given how idiotically realistic that toy gun looks. But now that it's starting to come out that the kid was shot all those times by the same cop...in the back? That's a long damn way from passing the smell test...

In all seriousness.

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They will use this incident as an example of the police being out of control to continue to justify their stockpiling semi-autos, high capacity magazines and hundreds of rounds of ammo.

You had to do it quickly, before any real details emerged. I was lucky enough to have access to a... while not exactly liberal, certainly not right-wing hate radio station as well as plenty of right-wing hate radio.

What always struck me was that the right-wing people could always-- ALWAYS be counted on to defend the police, even when they had no details or specifics whatsoever. The people to their left either immediately attacked the police, or more commonly, expressed alarm and a desire for more information.

I believe that police brutality is a subject that quickly highlights the authoritarians in any group.

Police brutality is a major problem in our society especially the racist shite they do to minorities all the time.

I mean that in sincerity.

It's a get out of jail card if a callous gun toter shoots an unarmed kid.

I do not trust or respect law enforcement at all. I've seen too many stories in the news of suspects or even people who have done nothing wrong being pepper sprayed, beaten, raped, shot, etc..

Here is a small sample of the comments being made in a 12 page thread over there talking about this:

"Is this the latest trend in law enforcement, shoot anyone with anything which "resembles" a firearm?

Officer safety evidently trumps citizen safety."

"I would rather take my chances protecting myself than trust trigger happy cowards with badges to do anything more than flip burgers and bag groceries."

"So they shoot the kid, cuff him and then administer first aid.
Take it one step further and give the cops a shovel so they can bury the teenager and then their job will have come full circle.
Such public servants."

"The two cops involved in the shooting of a reported mentally screwed up guy also are alleged to have lied in their report of the shooting...claiming that the shot guy made menacing moves towards the cops.

So, just as some women can lie to screw over men, I now know that some cops can lie to defend a shooting. Therefor, cop comments made in this event are just their version and may not be factual. "

But there also quite a few posts supportive of the police and as I said in the title, it appears to me to be about a 50/50 split.

I can understand how fast situations happen. Ten seconds is a very long time. I was not perfect in these, I shot the man holding his keys, I was shot by the sweet grandmother with the revolver... I can understand how easily a fatal mistake can happen.

I have trouble understanding 7-8 mistakes. One, two even three shots are plausible and can happen in under a second. Eight shots with seven hits under stress is nothing short of phenomenal, it indicates a trained person who either is shooting deliberately or should stop shooting much sooner...

A realistic gun complicates the initial choice to shoot but I also have gone one on one against a person who had an honest-to-Allah fully loaded AK-47 set to fully automatic fire and every reason in the world to go ahead and kill me. I convinced him to disarm with words and my own rifle, neither of us ever fired. We both live today. The mere possession of a gun is not cause to shoot a person.

This case needs to be thoroughly investigated and reviewed.

Very well said