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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 04:39 PM Oct 2013

Nixon: if he had stuck around, would he have been impeached and convicted ?

I think so. Even Goldwater told him to pack his bags.


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Nixon: if he had stuck around, would he have been impeached and convicted ? (Original Post) steve2470 Oct 2013 OP
I answered no, but really it depends on how he would have behaved. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #1
Yes. That was back in the day--before the Nixon pardon in fact-- truebluegreen Oct 2013 #22
He was persuaded by his own party to resign Warpy Oct 2013 #2
Goldwater told him he couldn't find 10 votes for acquittal. hobbit709 Oct 2013 #5
he was a goner n/t wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #3
It was understood at the time that is why he left office. liberal N proud Oct 2013 #4
That is my distinct memory as well, I was riveted to the news about Watergate every day nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #8
that's why he resigned gopiscrap Oct 2013 #6
To a virtual certainty jberryhill Oct 2013 #7
by both parties warrior1 Oct 2013 #9
The Republican Party still had some character in the 1970's. dawg Oct 2013 #10
With absolute certainty. BlueCheese Oct 2013 #11
Is the Pope Catholic? Wait that one doesn't work as well anymore... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #12
Do those of the Genus Ursus Aerows Oct 2013 #19
There was absolutely no doubt in the matter. longship Oct 2013 #13
But, Nixon could not stick around because the truth was beyond imaginable. Coyotl Oct 2013 #14
I don't think there is any doubt. NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #15
I have no doubt that Nixon would have been convicted in the Senate Gothmog Oct 2013 #16
Absolutely, that's why he resigned. I don't think it's even debated, really themaguffin Oct 2013 #17
Yes. No Doubt about it. n/t Aerows Oct 2013 #18
Having lived through that period and having followed that issue closely I believe the answer PoliticAverse Oct 2013 #20
And to think. By todays standards for republican leadership.......... wandy Oct 2013 #21
I asked this simply because of the "omfg impeachment is contrary to the American way" POV I see..... steve2470 Oct 2013 #23
He had lost his own party. SamYeager Oct 2013 #24
He pissed off his own party, Dems, the Military Brass, certain someone at the FBI, etc. Xolodno Oct 2013 #25
And a few years later, he was back in the public eye..... LongTomH Oct 2013 #26
yea that was pretty disgusting steve2470 Oct 2013 #27
he would have been convicted in the Senate - I doubt that he would have been tried and convicted Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #28
Goldwater paid Nixon a visit and told him as much Zambero Oct 2013 #29
I think that is where Ervin and Rodino were heading. AngryOldDem Oct 2013 #30
I guess we'll agree to disagree about putting him in jail :) nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #31
I guess. AngryOldDem Oct 2013 #32
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. I answered no, but really it depends on how he would have behaved.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 04:42 PM
Oct 2013

My no answer is based on the observations that I've made all my life, that those at the top rarely suffer for their acts as much as mid-level and low-lever players.

A teacher or vice principal of principal, for example, will lose a job while the superintendent will end up taking early retirement with full benefits.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
22. Yes. That was back in the day--before the Nixon pardon in fact--
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:36 PM
Oct 2013

when high level officials could be shamed and did resign or were punished for misdeeds in office. That all changed after Ford and his smarmy our-long-national-nightmare-is-over schtick. After that, after Iran-Contra (and the pardons), after the S&L thing, after Iraq, after Abu Ghraib, after impeachment-is-off-the-table, after the Wall Street crash, after looking-forward-and-not-back, everybody knows now that there is no accountability, there are no (bad) consequences.

Remember Spiro Agnew? He was forced to quit--can you imagine Darth Cheney stepping down for mere corruption? War crimes weren't enough. Can you imagine (conservative) Supreme Court Justices recusing themselves because of the mere appearance of impropriety? Me neither.

Republicans went into the Nixon investigations/hearings sure that there was no "there" there, and the hearings would prove it. The fact that the House Judiciary committee voted to impeach on 3 different articles and not on a straight party-line vote meant RMN was done for. He got out while the going was good, the coward (runs in the party). I was horrified when Ford pardoned the sonuvabitch even before any charges could be brought. Looking back it was a death knell for the Rule of Law.

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
2. He was persuaded by his own party to resign
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 04:42 PM
Oct 2013

because there were enough votes in the House to impeach him and enough votes in the Senate to remove him.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
6. that's why he resigned
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 04:44 PM
Oct 2013

a group of senators and representatives for the Republican party came to him and told the votes for conviction were not there to fight of impeachment. In fact one account I read there were only 11 senators that would vote against conviction. He didn't want to lose that big fat pension and the perks of the being an ex-president.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
10. The Republican Party still had some character in the 1970's.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 04:48 PM
Oct 2013

They would have co-operated with Dems to remove him from office.

longship

(40,416 posts)
13. There was absolutely no doubt in the matter.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 04:50 PM
Oct 2013

He would have been impeached and would have been convicted in the Senate on at least the first bill of impeachment. The vote in the Senate would not have been close. He resigned because he knew his presidency was doomed.

Anybody saying otherwise was not paying attention at the time.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
14. But, Nixon could not stick around because the truth was beyond imaginable.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 04:52 PM
Oct 2013

The truth coming out would have ended the Republican Party instantly. That's why Ford pardoned the criminal of all crimes, known and unknown.

NoGOPZone

(2,971 posts)
15. I don't think there is any doubt.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:01 PM
Oct 2013

The House Judiciary Committee passed three articles recommending his impeachment even before the smoking gun tape was released. Once it was, his support all but disappeared, even his staunch ally Charles Wiggins would not longer defend him.

Gothmog

(145,289 posts)
16. I have no doubt that Nixon would have been convicted in the Senate
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:18 PM
Oct 2013

I remember following the impeachment hearings very very closely and I had no doubt that Nixon was going to be convicted by the Senate

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
20. Having lived through that period and having followed that issue closely I believe the answer
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:33 PM
Oct 2013

to one (the impeachment) is definitely and two (conviction) is most probably.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
21. And to think. By todays standards for republican leadership..........
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:35 PM
Oct 2013

You might almost be tempted to think kindly of Nixon.

How screwed up is that!

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
23. I asked this simply because of the "omfg impeachment is contrary to the American way" POV I see.....
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:50 PM
Oct 2013

from pundits. I call BS on that. It's THERE for a reason. For assholes like Nixon. Not for good but flawed Presidents like Clinton. The whole Clinton charade was shameful and should be recorded in the history books as so. Just like the Johnson impeachment trial. Johnson was a drunk and a buffoon but impeachable ? No.

I think the whole sturm und drang over impeachment is BS. Bare minimum, it clears the air and allows for an up or down vote on a President. So far no one's been convicted. I really wish we had convicted that POS Nixon. Ford turned me off to politics for many many years by his corrupt action.

eta: If the asshole R party tries to impeach PBO, it will have its ass handed to it just like after the Clinton impeachment debacle.

 

SamYeager

(309 posts)
24. He had lost his own party.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:51 PM
Oct 2013

The vote would have been overwhelmingly in favor of conviction in the Senate.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
25. He pissed off his own party, Dems, the Military Brass, certain someone at the FBI, etc.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:07 PM
Oct 2013

He was a goner.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
26. And a few years later, he was back in the public eye.....
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:25 PM
Oct 2013

Nixon rose from the dead more times than Dracula and the Mummy put together! In 1978, his memoirs were a bestseller and he was being treated as an 'elder statesman., making regular appearances on TV and being invited to the White House in 1979. He was invited to join other former presidents for the funeral of Egyptian president Anwar Sadat.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
27. yea that was pretty disgusting
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:28 PM
Oct 2013

I was so "radical" back in 1974 that I wanted him impeached and convicted, driven from office, indicted and convicted for his crimes, and put in jail.

The whole "the country can't stand to see a past President in jail" meme needs to die. It's BS. Other countries do it, why not us ?

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
28. he would have been convicted in the Senate - I doubt that he would have been tried and convicted
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:33 PM
Oct 2013

in a criminal court of law. I think once he was out of office the momentum to go much farther would have dissipated. Even I was starting to feel sorry for the old bastard.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
29. Goldwater paid Nixon a visit and told him as much
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:33 PM
Oct 2013

That impeachment and conviction were foregone conclusions, and that given the evidence presented he would also be an "aye" vote to convict. That was considered a tipping point, as far as Nixon finally getting a grip on what his (zero) chances for political survival were.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
30. I think that is where Ervin and Rodino were heading.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:45 PM
Oct 2013

All the evidence was definitely there. And Nixon took the easy way out by quitting.

That said -- and I've been flamed for saying so -- his resignation, Ford's assumption of the office, and Ford's subsequent pardon saved this country a lot of heartburn. We needed to move on. Watergate had taken enough time and energy, and it was a fight not worth continuing, given what else was going on at that time.

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