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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWE LET DKF RUN OFF A LOT OF GOOD MEMBERS
flame away, stone me, whatever.
I am sick as fuck watching neoconfederate fascist assholes fuck up our local school and community f'book pages with their disruptive lying bullshit. I come HERE to get AWAY from that crap.
dkf's tombstone was long overdue and if we can't get rid of these assholes quicker, DU will diminish itself and devolve into a fucking yahoo messageboard.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Response to Earth_First (Reply #1)
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Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)you really worked up a lot of animosity toward the departed in your...less than two months here...?
ret5hd
(20,492 posts)Response to Union Scribe (Reply #20)
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Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Response to Union Scribe (Reply #29)
tenderfoot This message was self-deleted by its author.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)That's your right but it comes off as kinda sketchy when you show up with a new ID and go right to jumping into the middle of a bunch of DU drama, acting like you know people and saying you want people tombstoned.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Response to hrmjustin (Reply #30)
tenderfoot This message was self-deleted by its author.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)trashing DUers. This looks like a job for MIRT.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Not getting off to a good start.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I wonder if one can self delete posts while in that status. Erasing the evidence.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)she has an ATA question pending.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)The admins can see all.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)but thanks for playing.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Does it really matter who killed the old account, admin or the user? Admin says some banned members can come back, under a new name, as long as they don't continue the same behavior that got them banned. If a non-banned member wants to start over with a new user name, because they don't want the reputation they've created, I would still call that a zombie.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)except when you're the one trying to do it (your failure notwithstanding).
you constantly rail against posting against other posters in the way you are precisely doing right now.
either you think it's okay to do it or you don't. thinking it's okay when you do it and not when others do it is hypocritical to say the least. and it's being charitable to call you hypocritical, when in fact, you save this behavior to attack liberal posters here.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)nor someone who was banned and is back making trouble under a new name.
I'm aware of that link where tenderfoot explained the reason for the new name. Skinner apparently confirmed that tenderfoot was granted a do-over. MIRT members apparently were unaware of this, thus the confusion.
OTOH, juries can hide tenderfoot's posts just as easily as anyone else's. That's the self-policing mechanism for those of us who have been around longer than a gnat's lifespan.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)fuck dkf.
This is hugh, I'm series. This one has been a long time in the making. A suitable number of threads should follow!
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)dkf was never going to run me off... I had her pegged a long time ago, as did 99% of DU.
Number23
(24,544 posts)dkf so that makes this thread even more strange.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)posted on in December about this troll. Unfortunately, the link wont work now.
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)S/he was a Wall Street worshiper, but not all that combative really
Meh
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)with the occasional "Benghazi, Benghazi...who cares about Romney's tax returns..."
Got a Pizza?
Rex
(65,616 posts)nt.
CBHagman
(16,984 posts)Thanks, though, for giving me a better sense of how things work around here. I've seen a few figures here and there but had no idea that someone at DU could by now have served hundreds of times.
Rex
(65,616 posts)It is not surprising, she probably served 100% of the time.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)My chances of serving on a jury are 100%. I'm on DU almost every day - mostly just reading, rarely posting - but I generally get called to jury a post about once or twice a week. A lot depends on the time of day a person is on DU. Many days I'm here very early in the morning, before things really get jumping.
I enjoy doing the jury thing, and only rarely turn it down. It's really not that time-consuming. The only times I've declined is when I find myself looking at a post in an unfamiliar forum or group, and I just can't get a clear take on what's going on the thread.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)It's not difficult if you have been around a while, have a star and no hidden posts.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)BluegrassStateBlues
(881 posts)Because a lot of the bizarre things I see posted here come from posters using that avatar?
Is it just a coincidence?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts).
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Best ever.
And on edit, don't you judge me for my sigline...
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Oh, you think no one has noticed, do you?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Makes n-dimensional chess look like rock, paper, scissors.
Series..
starroute
(12,977 posts)An illustration by the brilliant Kelly Freas for a story by the equally brilliant Fredric Brown.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)"It's not easy being green." -Kermit
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I think I actually may have read that, once, back in the day, even.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)I have never belonged to any clique here on DU. As a social democrat ideologically myself, I know there are like minded DUers here but I hardly think of them as a clique and I found dfk's disingenuous posts very irksome.
BluegrassStateBlues
(881 posts)I didn't mean to offend. I'm still trying to figure things out and peg everyone.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)There are some here who have to keep copious notes on everybody because they have the uncanny ability to bring up every flamewar a person has taken part in, what they think about any number of things, and--who knows--quite possibly the names of their firstborns.
I threw my pegs away a while ago and try to deal with people fresh faced. Sure, I disagree with people, but I don't keep notes.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)they're probably not that much of a jerk.
If you have to keep notes to remember why or when someone was a jerk, there are better hobbies.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)It's just, for some reason, people just like me when I'm raging like the Hulk and spouting profanities or shaming people.
(Also, I'm King of the Lounge. )
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Several good LGBT posters were run off by a little clique that swarmed and snarked at them until they flamed out.
That clique is still here and still swarming and snarking, by the way.
Worse than ever.
I took off for a very long time, thanks to the "pony brigade" and their concerted effort to drive off/ban actual Democrats.
QC
(26,371 posts)than right wing opinions, to tell the truth.
The average DUer is more than smart enough to dispose of those, but the whole stalk, snark, and swarm thing ruins any sense of community we might have and drives off smart posters.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)It's been an even bigger problem since the advent of DU3... the self-anointed leaders and deciders on who is a good Dem and who is not.
QC
(26,371 posts)It practically takes a death threat level of personal attack to get a post hidden now, which is why we are heading toward a Youtube comments level of discourse.
The greater transparency is a major improvement, though--no more hiding the evidence.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)Is what I expect in grade school
I remain in contact with at least three of them on FB.
QC
(26,371 posts)A good guy and a genuine Democrat and progressive, but he finally got tired of being harassed and fired back. Oops. He got the boot.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I no longer post any serious analysis here.
But we do have a bully problem
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)that very little serious analysis is needed..The NSA issues however do require serious analysis..
Foreign Policy as well.
So where do you post??
Iggo
(47,558 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Unfortunately, the only people in a position to do anything about it prefer to look the other way, or, worse yet, blame the victims. Of course, that's how it usually works in real life, too.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)SaveAmerica
(5,342 posts)I know the juries are to keep a watch on posting and calling people out, but maybe a small group that has been here a while and seen the patterns of true DUers and trolls and can recommend troll activity for the admins to decide to boot. That's what happened with DFK, A DUer e-mailed them with concerns. They're busy with any number of issues they have to deal with here, maybe s specific mini group as their eyes and ears would help?
(I say this because I, too, also spent a long time away from DU because the atmosphere got so tainted I couldn't stand to continue to wade through the mess)
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And anyway, the current environment, and has zero to do with DKF, keeps me from posting here anything more than atta boys any longer.
SaveAmerica
(5,342 posts)But I'm suggesting a solid group that stays tight, is recognized for their posts over the years and has a proven recognition for trolls. I've watched the discussions about the banned 'DUer' and you can see who's had their eyes open and the admins know who's been around and their patterns of posting. It would be a measured and controlled effort, not a troll hunting free-for-all. It wouldn't be prudent to give someone that kind of power over posters at DU, would it?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)let's call it what it is. And clear posting standards, and no personal attacks allowed whatsoever.
All those three things were thrown away for a Lord of the Flies environment.
I will keep to atta boys and posting away from DU any real thinking analysis.
When this is attacked by some of the swarm...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023921037
It is evidence that bully behavior is not just tolerated, but encouraged.
Cha
(297,272 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)wouldn't put up with it anymore. Kinda like Obama not putting up with Ted Cruz and his insane party anymore.
Cha
(297,272 posts)said "Enough is Enough".. already!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I learned a lot about the posts and her fans on several threads today.
I too, had dkf on Ignore a long time ago. Amazed dkf was up to 37K posts.
I'm glad I didn't see all that shit as it's not good for my health. I would have been so ticked off my ticker would have stopped, haha.
Cha
(297,272 posts)I remember going round and round with her in 2009 before I left for two years and then when I came back it was the sos of course. So, Ignore it was.
We have to look out for our health.. bottom line.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Cha
(297,272 posts)been not feeling well.. to put it mildly! I was sick too.. and got behind in RL so took my much needed R&R!
I blame it on the stress we were under.. coincidently happened right after it was over.
deerheadgal
(57 posts)Mean, snarky, right-wing, rude...boom! Goes on the ignore never to be seen again!
Cha
(297,272 posts)a few have me on ignore.. as I saw before that info went boom!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You know that even that is not working.
Why some of us are simply no longer posting analysis.
But when a simple phone number gets attacked.
Yes, they are on ignore, no I cannot see what they have done, but they are doing what they do predictably. This is allowed.
tenderfoot
(8,437 posts)Everyone of them should have their memberships reinstated post haste.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)the baiting techniques to give them a reason to alert on something you said even if out of context. I now just leave them unanswered. If they are too obnoxious they go on my ignore list.
tenderfoot
(8,437 posts)I don't like using 'ignore' and just hope that obnoxious disruptors don't last too long.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Since it hides entire subthreads that the ignored person participated in.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)FOREVER ago. I get a lot better experience of du without the sexists, the misogynists, and the verbal bullies.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I only have that one on ignore. It would be nice to put a lot more on it but I think it's important to rebut the bs that spouts from them, even though mostly they don't actually post anything of substance. That also means they have a hard time backing up their snide retorts/claims so you can usually get to the point where it's obvious they have nothing to back up their claims. But if the claims go unquestioned they are left standing as if they are true.
mountain grammy
(26,622 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)What did that poster write about anyway - I don't recall.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)The Heritage Foundation's talking points of the day about Social Security, Medicare, the ACA and so on. Very passive aggressive in tone which is why he/she lasted so long.
polichick
(37,152 posts)wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)I first started noticing what an obvious troll it was in madfloridian's thread about education reform and charter schools.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)that one's union stance.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I do not get this one. Seriously, what are you people talking about?
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I am not sad to see the poster go, because the poster tended to not support any moves made by the current Democratic President or Senate and also supported Zimmerman. Some of "us people" are also using the moment to warn other DUers we disagree with that they should be next...and that part makes me want to vomit.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I really did not mean anything by the phrase "you people." Guess I could have said, "This group," or, "Those on this string?"
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Again, I apologize.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I wasn't thinking about it's possible offensiveness. I should avoid using that phrase entirely.
Cha
(297,272 posts)try to change it up.. it's gotten such a bad rep.. ann romney comes to mind.
We could say.. "You wonderful people"
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I should know better. That one phrase (spoken to an NAACP convention) did also finish Ross Perot's chances of becoming President.
Cha
(297,272 posts)like it sets whomever apart with a negative connotation.
Funny ol language.. definitely have to watch our Ps and Qs!
mountain grammy
(26,622 posts)and just didn't get it. I was worried about Clinton and NAFTA, and Ross got that!
NBachers
(17,117 posts)I wanted Clinton to win, and thought he had it in the bag. I just wanted to give more weight to another point of view.
That long TV speech he paid for right before the election had a lot to do with it. I watched all of it, and agreed with a lot of what he said.
It would be interesting to watch it again, and see how relevant it still is . . .
mountain grammy
(26,622 posts)of a Republican president. After 8 years of Reagan and 4 of Bush, I was fried. I liked Clinton, but Ross hit a nerve with his exposure of "free trade agreements" that were destroying good American jobs.
He said the playing field will be leveled when the foreign worker is making $6/hr and the American worker is making $6/hr. That was 1992. Bush and Clinton laughed.
Rockholm
(4,628 posts)and boy did I get ripped a new one. I didn't realize I was being offensive. I could have said "ya'll" as I am a reformed Southerner.
I really don't spend as much time on DU as I used to. I could really get caught up in the past reading and posting, but life has just gotten too busy.
I also got reamed once because I commented on Obama during the primaries that he never looked forward when giving speeches. So sorry, but didn't know that was a sore subject with his supporters. Hillary supporter in 2008 and will be in 2016.
Sometimes people end up having to explain themselves when something innocent is said. I do get that there are plenty of trolls on here who do disrupt for sport.
My 2 cents.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The first two I know were enthusiasm trolls, the last was basically just a major league asshole.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)trip down memory lane!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)He was good for something.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Forgot all about that guy.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Who can forget the moon bombing?
FSogol
(45,488 posts)Insert Dire Straits videos here.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)If it was performance art, it was memorable.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)but I could be confusing him w/someone else.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)REP
(21,691 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Haven't you seen Space 1999?
neverforget
(9,436 posts)NBachers
(17,117 posts)but don't see much anymore.
And then, there were the few I still see here now, like . . .
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I admit it.
It was during my reckless youth.
NBachers
(17,117 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)just don't call me late for dinner.
NealK
(1,869 posts)That omega minimo poster is a little bit... err special.
Warpy
(111,267 posts)before I sacrificed them to Ignora. The other two were people I laughed at but never responded to unless someone had actually bought any of their crap.
The moon: (_|_)
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)DU a better world for all of us as well.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)who I always suspected was an OMC sock. I think HFPS actually lasted longer than OMC and was at least as annoying. Between them, they managed a full decade of DU suckitude.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)It's still not banned.
It definitely got a 90-day "time out" at one point and must have either lost interest or found a new sock.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)OMC legitimately changed his name to HiFructosePronSyrup back in 2009 when the admins offered a voluntary namechange week. A lot of DUers changed their names at that point in time.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)OMC was straight-up banned:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=180322
And HFPS still has an active account.
I still suspect it's the same person, but they're not the same DU account.
The similarities in their posting styles was always... striking
HiFructosePronSyrup did have a different hame, but I cannot remember it. Maybe it was Simpson related.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Was it Hubs2sparkly maybe?
Anyway, this whole thread is a classic case of Meta.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)If only I could log into DU2, I had bookmarked a thread which showed name changes.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Sorry about the confusion. I'm done guessing for now.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)bornaginhooligan
it took some work, but I got logged in to DU2.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)I fully expect them to give it another try sometime soon.
Sid
REP
(21,691 posts)He pissed me off the most, because people bought into his 100% bullshit tales of woe. I believe some even sent that asshole money.
The other two were annoying as fuck but not as loathsome.
Lars39
(26,109 posts)progressoid
(49,991 posts)And persistent too.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)does this guy come up for air. His posts were consistently sophomoric.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)RKP5637
(67,109 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)How he ever got to be a mod on GD is beyond me.
Troll and a half.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Wow. I just remember his defense of Lindsay Lohan and condemning Tom Harkin for being selfish and retiring after 30 years in the Senate. Also claiming Obama, Hilary, Michelle would win every state in upcoming presidential elections....
GP6971
(31,163 posts)on "no bullets"......he would throw that in on totally unrelated posts
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)while having a star and not being over the '5 hides' limit, I think. He was disruptive in the hosts group, I seem to remember - that may have been part of the reason for his banning.
GP6971
(31,163 posts)glad he / she is gone
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)you proceed to fuck with everyone else in the hosts forum.
GP6971
(31,163 posts)Was over the top and it was very obvious. He / she was just too obnoxious......although I did get a chuckle when I muttered to myself "what a jerk"
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Who did these three run off?
Number23
(24,544 posts)femrap, emilyg, etc. etc. etc.
I could spend an hour trying to type out all of the names on the "principled left detractor" side that have been shown the door but it's funny how it was the three or four pro-Obama supporters that have been tombstoned that made everyone run away.
JI7
(89,250 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Another poster, usgovtowesustrillions or whatever his user name was, employed the same tactics and was shown the door not too soon afterwards either.
Given the rift here, there is little question or doubt which side is getting the boot more than the other.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)both on the same day. No surprise, given that they were the same poster.
I'm sporting forestpath's kitty avatar in gleeful memoriam.
Sid
Number23
(24,544 posts)So between these two additions and the seven I've already mentioned (plus Lionessa and UnrepentantLiberal have just come to mind) and dkf, that's right there twelve of the "principled "left" detractor" (pardon me while I ) side that have been shown the door just this year that I am am aware of and I'm sure there are many, many more that I'm not aware of or have forgotten about.
But somehow it was the 3-4 Obama supporters that have been tombed made everyone run away. Yeah, okay.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)an excrement statement
Did OMC really run anybody off? I know many people could not stand him, but why leave instead of just putting him on ignore?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)OMC was far nastier than dkf.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)anybody who allows him or herself to be "run off" is totally powerless to control his or her DU experience!!!
No "ignore poster" function!
No "trash thread" function!
No "trash by keyword" function!
Not even a "trash forum" function!!!
In case the sarcasm doesn't make itself apparent...
I have no sympathy whatsoever for people who claim that so-and-so person "ran them off" an internet discussion board.
Especially not when there are ways to make one's personal DU experience not suck.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)the possibilities of a better society, than to financially kill off others.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)some of us did. Granted, more than a few posts left me shaking my head, but...
I must say the NSA conversion was a tad surprising and welcomed.
mshasta
(2,108 posts)sometimes I just stay away from flames ...I don't post much ,even my picture is gone ,
JURY DUTY IS THE KEY
Skittles
(153,164 posts)I TOO COME HERE TO GET AWAY FROM DISRUPTIVE LYING NEOCONFEDERATE FASCIST ASSHOLE ASS
steve2470
(37,457 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)the whoopin might not be so bad that way
Skittles
(153,164 posts)yes INDEED
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Have a good am, Skittles. Keep up the good work
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)madrchsod
(58,162 posts)can kick anyone`s ass...
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)Cause they have the ability to take on a life of their own, and end up doing a lot of damage.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Oh yeah, ban them, tell them they can't post here anymore.
Nobody's being burned at the stake.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Where people are paranoid and suspicious and at each others throats...not as bad as burning at the stake but as bad as it gets for a message board...sense our bodies are not at stake...just our hearts and minds.
But just like the witch hunts, some people enjoy seeing it take place...it gives them a sense of power and control. and they are the ones who fuel it.
pitbullgirl1965
(564 posts)news paying people to troll?
Cirque du So-What
(25,939 posts)The article said that FAUX considered no political website too small for trolling, so it's a better-than-even bet that DU has seen a good number over the years. When I read that story, the first person who came to mind was dkf.
pitbullgirl1965
(564 posts)I'm on a Facebook that's fighting against the Hawthorne PD dog shooting, and I'm certain we had plants including one little worm who accused me of being a plant (I had a fake account without my irl name)
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)a lot of disruptors came here when Rush kicked off Operation Chaos right before the 08 primaries.
Logical
(22,457 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)There are certain ones I learned years ago to never bother taking off my list.
People like DKF are why the ignore list are necessary.... you can't tell them that you know exactly who they are and what they are doing, you can't call them out on their bullshit. You have to continue to play nice nice to them.... so ignore is my best way to keep my DU account
go west young man
(4,856 posts)I actually see the board as a bit too cliquey these days and lacking in meaningful content. That is the biggest turnoff. I liked it when it was more radical and less mainstream. As it's taken on so many moderate members it has become more juvenile in many regards with way too much name calling and arguing over who is a real DU'er. I liked it when all discussion was allowed and far out theories weren't sent to the dungeon. It was more interesting. Peace Patriot and Time For Change have taught me a lot about writing and making solid well backed arguments. I just don't see them or their style of writing around here much anymore. Personally I think the "trending now" needs to go away as it adds to the clique mentality. We need a DU 4 that is more progressive and focuses on where we need to go as liberal democrats especially now that the right has overplayed it's hand and there is a chance for the country to lean more leftward. I hope Skinner and Earl G are seeing this opportunity and working to make the board more mature and cohesive so we can be united in our goals and take the house in 2014. Our own infighting is a big problem right now.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and more and more of us are just posting away from DU.
All that is left for me these days is atta boys and I wish I could recommend your post. You speak the truth.
What has also developed is a Lord of the Flies environment.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)in the last 90 days. That's a big ole boat load of atta-boys.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)ah, it's okay when you do it. got it.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Echo chamber is echo chamber.
mattclearing
(10,091 posts)Truth.
GP6971
(31,163 posts)Last year I recommended DU to. Couple of my coworkers. They didn't like some of the vitriol. I stay with it because I've around a long time. Seen the good and the bad
freshwest
(53,661 posts)was a long time ago and just shoved her away. She should not have been here for as long as she was.
(Using she since that is the reference being used today, never sure about who one is talking to.)
Glad he Admins finally did something about it. Good.
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)However, if I share it, then they will know and stop doing it.
Let's just say, DFK totally proved my theory.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)-That's yay, don't you agree?
--Oh, I agree.
---I agree too!!!
----Wheeee, we all agreeee!
Response to Skip Intro (Reply #166)
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Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)you weren't paying attention. This site has an explicit partisan basis. Putting up with right wing conservative rhetoric here is counterproductive.
There's still plenty of room for disagreement and different perspectives within a center-left Democratic framework.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)The owners of this site state that DU is a place for all Democrats, and a place for varying and diverse opinions.
I'm bothered by any thread, other than from the admin, that wants to draw lines of what may and may not be said, what thoughts may and may not be expressed. Who the hell are are any of us to tell the other to shut up?
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)It's one thing to come here and listen and shift to a centrist position, it's yet another to carry water from RWers.
I'm happy to tell RWers to shut up HERE. IRL, I respect their right to have an ill-informed and backward opinion.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Many times simply speaking the the truth, relaying the facts of a situation, is seen as pushing RW talking points by some.
But the rules here are the rules here, enforced ultimately by the admin.
Nobody needs permission from you or the OP to post as they wish.
I don't mean this to sound confrontational. I'm just stating it like it is. Someone who makes it their business to curtail my speech, or that of anyone else here, hits a sore spot with me. I got kind of a strong appreciation for free speech.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)From the TOS:
Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).
Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.
We do tolerate conservative Democrats here for a short time but not if they continue to spout RW rhetoric at every opportunity.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)That does say DU is for politically liberal people, but there is a section that also speaks of being open to diverse opinions as well. More than one Skinner reply in ATA extolls the value of differing opinions.
My point is that, except via the jury system, you have no right to tell me what I may and may not say. Neither do I have that power over you. And the OP to me reads like a common Meta rant against all those bad DUers who dare disagree with whatever he/she decides is the final word, the preferred perspective.
Should anyone, other than admin, get to purge DU of all those with whom they disagree, and many accusations of spouting rw bs are based on that much alone and less, the inevitable outcome would be an echo chamber.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)This is what I was referring to when I said diverse opinions - it doesn't use that exact term, but makes it clear that a broad range of opinions are welcome, and seems far more concerned with upholding a standard of civility than it does censoring ideas and opinions.
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It is the responsibility of all DU members to participate on our discussion forums in a manner that promotes a positive atmosphere and encourages good discussions among a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints. Members should refrain from posting messages on DU that are disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. These broad community standards of behavior are maintained though the combined efforts of members posting and serving on citizen juries, using their own best judgment to decide what behavior is appropriate and what is not.
Members who cannot hold themselves to a high standard risk having their posts hidden by a jury of their peers, and being blocked out of discussion threads they disrupt. Those who exhibit a pattern of willful disregard for the Community Standards risk being in violation of our Terms of Service, and could have their posting privileges revoked.
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Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)RW viewpoints do not need to be tolerated.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)we really need to have more diversity of thought, some racists here like her to rage against Muslims and Trayvon Martin and who thought Hispanic American Citizens should have to carry their passports and birth certificates around in Arizona. We should have all that so that we can prove that we are open and tolerant of racists.
no wonder you're shedding a tear for the Romney standard bearer.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)by your works you will know them.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Lots of good teachers and union members got fed up and left or were banned for fighting against that poster and her friends and allies.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)The dkf persona got away with its shit for a fucking decade.
I know I'm a bit unpopular when I call for a purge, but I call for a purge.
It's time we tell the Tea Traitors they're not welcome here. They need to get their own boards.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)at the numerous grave-dancing threads here in DU where we are supposed to be "politically liberal."
dfk was very conservative and IMO didnt meet the standard of "politically liberal" that DU members are supposed to meet and therefore I have no problem with the decision to PPR her. However, I very much doubt that she drove anyone away. I argued with her to the point of frustration many a time, but I dont remember a time she resorted to ridicule or mockery. Unlike some of the popular bullies here. Bullies that have driven people away.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)how many petty alerts was dkf sending after baiting regular posters into a heated response? How many times was dkf serving on a jury and allowing blatantly right wing stuff to stand as the 3rd "leave it" vote?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)It's just my opinion that grave dancing is beneath us here at DU.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)which is an obvious tip-off on a purported Democratic discussion board. Somehow this person was allowed to remain for years and years.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)liberal" poster. I just think that grave dancing is beneath us here.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)If not a fourth-grade playground.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Way before I discovered DU, I remember posting comments on yahoo, and some guy there said something like "please break into my home so I can shoot you dead like two others." and that was kinda apropo of nothing, other than me not being very positive about life in these United States.
It's not rightwing opinions that bother me so much, as it is people writing things in supposed debate like "I sure wouild like to kill you".
As far as "getting away from that crap". Well, I think we should have more of a discussion than just "ditto", "knr", "+1,000", "right, Bruce." and that we ought to be able to refudiate rightwing spin, with truth.
If we are going to move this country forward, we need to win more people to our side. We need people like George McGovern, who can win in the conservative state of South Dakota in spite of being one of the most liberal Senators ever. We need people like Kathleen Sebelius who can somehow win two terms as Governor of Kansas.
We need to be able to bring our message to moderates and even conservatives, people who already are not part of the choir. To develop a message that can reach a majority of the bottom 80% and convince them that voting D IS voting for their self interest. Win 60% of the bottom 80% and a compassionate 20% of the top 20% and we win.
If, on the other hand, we just tell them "shut up, you ignorant racist, you are not worth talking to" then it becomes very hard to convince them that we have their interests at heart.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I have kept a little note pad to collect a list of DUers that said things more appropriate to Righties.
Many on that list are still here. Some have moderated their right wing talking points to an extent. But I suspect they have done this only to better fit in.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Like most in DC right now.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)I have more respect for those like dkf than I do for those who became corporatist in 2009
shenmue
(38,506 posts)There are a lot of people here who get away with too much, and I'm glad someone finally broke out the dustpan.