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elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:37 PM Oct 2013

WE LET DKF RUN OFF A LOT OF GOOD MEMBERS

flame away, stone me, whatever.

I am sick as fuck watching neoconfederate fascist assholes fuck up our local school and community f'book pages with their disruptive lying bullshit. I come HERE to get AWAY from that crap.

dkf's tombstone was long overdue and if we can't get rid of these assholes quicker, DU will diminish itself and devolve into a fucking yahoo messageboard.

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WE LET DKF RUN OFF A LOT OF GOOD MEMBERS (Original Post) elehhhhna Oct 2013 OP
Can wr get a moratorium on dfk threads? Earth_First Oct 2013 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Oct 2013 #17
Gee Union Scribe Oct 2013 #20
Well then, let ME say it. ret5hd Oct 2013 #25
Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #26
So why the new profile? nt Union Scribe Oct 2013 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Oct 2013 #37
No, but now you sound like you're hiding who you were. Union Scribe Oct 2013 #43
That is rather rude. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Oct 2013 #35
Saying to someone you hope they follow them is rude. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #40
An admitted zombie pintobean Oct 2013 #46
Skinner said this poster is legit. I asked. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #48
Flagged for review pintobean Oct 2013 #170
Thanks for letting me know. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #174
See my edit, and pintobean Oct 2013 #175
No this must have just happened. You can not self delete when your account is suspended. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #177
you didn't seem to care when LoZocallo trolled, why the concern now? CreekDog Oct 2013 #228
Not a zombie Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #189
I guess the devil is in the details pintobean Oct 2013 #242
i think it matters since you constantly rail against calling out trolls CreekDog Oct 2013 #244
Yeah, like the details that this is a poster who isn't a sub-100 n00b Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #250
This. n/t Chan790 Oct 2013 #253
i've been here 10+ years.. frylock Oct 2013 #90
lol treestar Oct 2013 #69
You never appreciate what you had until it is gone. n/t duffyduff Oct 2013 #129
no Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #173
Ignore is your friend, my friend steve2470 Oct 2013 #2
+1 freshwest Oct 2013 #144
Well said. And many passionate Obama SUPPORTERS seemed to be the main ones tangling with Number23 Oct 2013 #160
+1 JustAnotherGen Oct 2013 #226
+1...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #237
I had that one pegged for a LONG time and got a few hides for my trouble. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #3
I bookmarked a thread in Meta that a lot of us... tallahasseedem Oct 2013 #21
I doubt that leftstreet Oct 2013 #4
true. she was more of the concern variety of troll CreekDog Oct 2013 #229
DKF? bvar22 Oct 2013 #241
It really bothers me that she participated on almost 300 juries. Rex Oct 2013 #5
Three hundred? Who's got time? CBHagman Oct 2013 #159
She did't get hidden posts and was a star member. Rex Oct 2013 #165
I've served on 321 juries so far. I don't think it's particularly unusual. scarletwoman Oct 2013 #168
I've served on 348 Marrah_G Oct 2013 #178
I've got my eye on another questionable poster who has been on something like 450 juries. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #203
The cat avatar dkf used... was that an indicator of some kind of clique? BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #6
The first rule of cat avatar club is that you don't talk about cat avatar club Fumesucker Oct 2013 #8
. Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2013 #14
Hahahahahahahahha! ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #24
Thus says the dude whose avatar is a green troll. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #60
+1 Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #71
My plan is so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel Fumesucker Oct 2013 #77
It's not a troll -- it's a little green man from Mars starroute Oct 2013 #101
Shhh.. Ixnay on the Arsmay ingthay Fumesucker Oct 2013 #147
Classic illustration Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #210
This from the dude whose avatar is a selfie. Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #240
Handsome devil, aint I? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #249
DUzy. nt awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #108
DUzy! Th1onein Oct 2013 #199
I use that avatar because I like cats. Cleita Oct 2013 #10
Thank you. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #13
No problem. Cleita Oct 2013 #18
My advice is to not keep notes. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #31
Very good advice. enlightenment Oct 2013 #104
If you have to keep notes to remember whether or not someone is a jerk, winter is coming Oct 2013 #161
Well said. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #171
Well, nobody ever seems to remember that I'm a massive jerk. n/t Chan790 Oct 2013 #196
Sorry. Guess you'll just have to work harder on becoming notorious. n/t winter is coming Oct 2013 #200
I'm already notorious. Chan790 Oct 2013 #202
that doesn't really stand out around here CreekDog Oct 2013 #231
Beyond a few I can never keep the names straight, always wondered how others did it so well. grantcart Oct 2013 #247
... PoliticAverse Oct 2013 #52
Cat avatars? At least I don't change mine every few days as El Supremo does. madinmaryland Oct 2013 #163
Not only dfk, my friend. QC Oct 2013 #7
+1 ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #22
I think that kind of behavior is way more damaging QC Oct 2013 #47
I do too. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #53
Yes, DU3 has not been such a good thing as far as civility. QC Oct 2013 #62
That kind of thing pisses me off. Pack mentality arthritisR_US Oct 2013 #51
And allies KamaAina Oct 2013 #38
I hear from one of them now and then myself. QC Oct 2013 #49
We have a couple cliques nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #91
Its so black and white right now at least with the issues of the right wing tea baggers busterbrown Oct 2013 #114
I noticed. Iggo Oct 2013 #134
Yes, we have had a serious bully problem here for years. QC Oct 2013 #243
And now I know for a fact that they are coddled and protected nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #245
Is there a council or group here that keeps an eye on groups like that? SaveAmerica Oct 2013 #116
What you are suggesting will create a witch hunt, guaranteed. nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #121
If those chosen were not picked carefully, then possibly SaveAmerica Oct 2013 #137
DU used to have an editorial policy nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #139
I've had dfk on ignore forever.. so she/he's gone! Cha Oct 2013 #9
Finally posted something so over the top RWing that the admins Rex Oct 2013 #11
thanks.. I just went to my ignore list and saw that it's dkf.. and EarlG Cha Oct 2013 #15
This is supposed be one that put her/he over the top: freshwest Oct 2013 #146
Yeah, it just gets ridiculous after awhile, fresh.. Cha Oct 2013 #152
Have some good news on that front... Will let you know Saturday or Sunday. Been sick as dog all week freshwest Oct 2013 #156
Sorry you've Cha Oct 2013 #157
I love ignore... deerheadgal Oct 2013 #67
Yeah, some posters just beg for it.. more than Cha Oct 2013 #72
Same here! Life's too short to deal with trollishness. freshwest Oct 2013 #148
When members of your ignore list try to derail things like this nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #154
How many good progressive/liberals/lefties were PPR'd/TS'd because pukes like dkf? tenderfoot Oct 2013 #12
A few. After a few run ins I started figuring out Cleita Oct 2013 #23
I no longer respond to OPs by people I think lack authenticity. tenderfoot Oct 2013 #34
That's a good strategy as well. n/t Cleita Oct 2013 #39
The problem with DU's ignore feature is that you'll miss useful content by other posters Scootaloo Oct 2013 #58
I have had that troll on my IL since chervilant Oct 2013 #92
Really? I didn't know that. I finally used ignore on someone a month or so ago. cui bono Oct 2013 #99
That's always worked for me. mountain grammy Oct 2013 #102
zimmerman apologist noiretextatique Oct 2013 #16
Who would leave because of one poster? polichick Oct 2013 #19
A lot of right wing BS right out of Hannnity's mouth via Cleita Oct 2013 #33
Thanks! polichick Oct 2013 #42
Also union hate, teacher hate. wickerwoman Oct 2013 #50
yep, that is where I found out about... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #117
What is a DFK? another_liberal Oct 2013 #27
"Us people" are talking about a longtime DUer who got under the skins of many here. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #44
Thanks for the explanation. another_liberal Oct 2013 #55
Sorry. I get twitchy whenever I see "you people." My mistake. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #57
My mistake. another_liberal Oct 2013 #78
I know.. when I start to innocently use "you people" in a sentence I Cha Oct 2013 #65
That one phrase . . . another_liberal Oct 2013 #74
Ah yes.. I didn't know about that.. way before my time in politics. It's Cha Oct 2013 #82
Oh my God, I remember that! Poor Ross, he was so right and so wrong mountain grammy Oct 2013 #112
During that election, I was sure Clinton would win, so I gave a token vote to Ross NBachers Oct 2013 #131
I voted for Clinton because I couldn't bear 4 more years mountain grammy Oct 2013 #141
A million years ago, when I first joined DU, I used "you people"...... Rockholm Oct 2013 #107
graham4anything, LoZoccolo and OPERATIONMINDCRIME also ran off many good members Fumesucker Oct 2013 #28
LoZoccolo made the '04 Primaries so much worse than they needed to be. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #32
... is a shit statement scheming daemons Oct 2013 #63
lol treestar Oct 2013 #76
Hehehehehe... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #100
Yep. Glad they are gone too. n/t Cleita Oct 2013 #36
Oooohh, OMC. Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #41
Makes me miss the good old days when the main irritants were electric-universe kooks.. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2013 #54
Moon bombing. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #56
Or the "I am due due beer and travel money and many experiences..." FSogol Oct 2013 #70
Now that guy I really liked. grasswire Oct 2013 #85
Yeah, I think he sort of lost it, went on a tear and got banned. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #213
That's how I recall it happening as well. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #222
NEVER FORGET. REP Oct 2013 #75
I wish I could. :( (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2013 #80
So you condone bombing the moon?... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #120
Link to the greatest thread evah neverforget Oct 2013 #188
I went over there and looked around- saw a lot of names I used to see around here, NBachers Oct 2013 #208
I was up to my green cheese in that one Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #212
Right on cue! NBachers Oct 2013 #214
You can call me what you want Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #216
Wow, just finished reading it and that thread is full of win. :D NealK Oct 2013 #209
OMC was one of two posters I mooned Warpy Oct 2013 #59
I like this smiley for that too. Cleita Oct 2013 #68
hipointdem and michigandem58 were two more recent pizza deliveries that made Zorra Oct 2013 #66
Don't forget HiFructosePronSyrup wickerwoman Oct 2013 #89
I don't remember that one being banned. I thought it just stopped posting one day. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2013 #118
God you're right. wickerwoman Oct 2013 #135
You're right. I remember the time out now. Who knows what name it goes by now. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2013 #136
If I recall correctly... Quantess Oct 2013 #149
Can't be wickerwoman Oct 2013 #207
nope hfojvt Oct 2013 #215
I think you're right that HFPS was called something else Quantess Oct 2013 #218
no. Husband2sparkly became "stinky clown" hfojvt Oct 2013 #219
Oops, my mistake. Quantess Oct 2013 #220
it was hfojvt Oct 2013 #221
HiPointDem was Hannah Bell... SidDithers Oct 2013 #254
OperationMindFuck fooled a lot of people REP Oct 2013 #73
Totally agree! Lars39 Oct 2013 #87
graham4anything was soooo annoying. progressoid Oct 2013 #79
And capable of endless spew ... I read a few of his diatribes and wondered, when RKP5637 Oct 2013 #93
Someone here described them as word salad. progressoid Oct 2013 #95
Definitely! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2013 #96
I thought of it as "stream of unconsciousness" n/t Fumesucker Oct 2013 #97
Graham4anything was a major league asshole. Fuddnik Oct 2013 #94
He was a mod? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #105
And his fixation GP6971 Oct 2013 #111
A host, on DU3. To do that, you just have to join the queue muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #115
Whatever the reason GP6971 Oct 2013 #126
Any star member can be a host. You pay, you sign up, and if you are g4a Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #239
Graham4anything GP6971 Oct 2013 #106
I'd forgotten about those three. blackspade Oct 2013 #110
Probably not nearly as many as Madhound, SafetyKitten, Fire Walk With Me, Better Believe It Number23 Oct 2013 #164
i read about what madhound finally got banned for, pretty ugly stuff JI7 Oct 2013 #197
That and his propensity for posting pics of dead children was revolting Number23 Oct 2013 #205
I noticed recently that both forestpath and MotherPetrie got the pizza... SidDithers Oct 2013 #255
So we can add those two to the list. MotherPetrie was particularly nauseating Number23 Oct 2013 #257
well if that isn't hfojvt Oct 2013 #217
Eh, no one seems to be taking issue with the OP saying dkf ran people off Fumesucker Oct 2013 #227
Yeah, because... pipi_k Oct 2013 #45
Well said... SidDithers Oct 2013 #256
I'm glad to see them gone. They posted a lot of downer negative stuff, never seeing RKP5637 Oct 2013 #61
+1,000! freshwest Oct 2013 #150
OTOH finally that poster saw some issues the way nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #155
...very true mshasta Oct 2013 #64
I AGREE WITH ELEHHHNA'S ASSESSMENT Skittles Oct 2013 #81
sprays WD40 on Skittles' caplocks key steve2470 Oct 2013 #84
lol blackspade Oct 2013 #119
She is going to kick your ass awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #122
haha ! I enjoy her posts so I have to say something when I can :) nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #124
That's right, butter her up... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #130
I WILL KICK BUTTERING-UP STEVE2470 ASS Skittles Oct 2013 #224
hahaha and I thought you were ignoring me :) steve2470 Oct 2013 #225
And... that is new? nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #125
... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #128
anyone that drinks 16oz Michelob in a can madrchsod Oct 2013 #158
That's a DUZY. In_The_Wind Oct 2013 #151
:) nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #153
Sorry but calls for witch hunts makes me nervous. zeemike Oct 2013 #83
What's the worst we can do? backscatter712 Oct 2013 #184
The worst we can do is turn this into a place zeemike Oct 2013 #193
Wasn't there a post recently about Fox pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #86
Yes, there was Cirque du So-What Oct 2013 #98
Interesting. pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #113
That would make sense... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #123
Then they needed to go. If a poster can run you off you don't need to be on a discussion board. n-t Logical Oct 2013 #88
And because of the fall out your losing another good member. William769 Oct 2013 #103
Who? nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #109
whodat? elehhhhna Oct 2013 #127
The jury system is also turning DU into a church lady nanny club. L0oniX Oct 2013 #132
I've had that jackass on ignore for a VERY long time Marrah_G Oct 2013 #133
Personally trolls don't bother me. Let them rant. go west young man Oct 2013 #138
You are correct. nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #140
3374 atta-boys pintobean Oct 2013 #145
You never stop, do you? kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #206
i thought you were against going after other posters? CreekDog Oct 2013 #232
Agreed Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #176
This should be its own thread. mattclearing Oct 2013 #181
As well as future members GP6971 Oct 2013 #142
I had DKF on Ignore, so I missed most of what I'm hearing today. I thought most people saw what she freshwest Oct 2013 #143
I have come up with a sure-fire way for spotting RW trolls! LisaLynne Oct 2013 #162
Welcome to elehhhhna's echo chamber! Skip Intro Oct 2013 #166
Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #169
If "echo chamber" is what you got from the OP Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #179
There ARE conservative Democrats, GC. Skip Intro Oct 2013 #185
Yeah, but this isn't the place for conservatives of any stripe if they plan on staying conservative. Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #187
DU rules state no such thing. Skip Intro Oct 2013 #190
Sorry, Skip but that's not true. Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #192
Well... Skip Intro Oct 2013 #194
I'm not seeing it. Where in the TOS does it say that? n/t Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #195
Here: Skip Intro Oct 2013 #198
"center-to-left" = what I stated upthread. Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #201
True. There are conservative Democrats, I see some to the left of you CreekDog Oct 2013 #234
it's like.....a Democracy! where all are free to register opinion! Imagine that! Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #180
Heaven forbid we have a DU that is an echo chamber against racism. CreekDog Oct 2013 #233
wow gopiscrap Oct 2013 #167
proud to kick this bad boy. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #172
I'm thrilled to see that poster's anti-union trash put into the dustbin. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #182
I agree. The management needs to be more aggressive in chasing off the disruptors. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #183
+1, n/t RKP5637 Oct 2013 #204
I have no problem with the decision to PPR dfk. However, I am embarrassed rhett o rick Oct 2013 #186
there's a lot the casual poster will never know that the admins do know Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #191
I completely agree with you. I dont have a problem with the decision to PPR. rhett o rick Oct 2013 #238
dkf was an obvious troll. Never had anything good to say about Social Security, duffyduff Oct 2013 #230
As I clearly stated, I have no problem with the decision to PPR. dkf was clearly not a "politically rhett o rick Oct 2013 #236
Yeah. The grave-dancing is also "worthy of a Yahoo message board." Orsino Oct 2013 #235
are yahoo message boards moderated? hfojvt Oct 2013 #211
For years Enthusiast Oct 2013 #223
I thought it was just a corporate Dem Doctor_J Oct 2013 #246
Oh tell us names. like Senators Manchin and Feinstein. nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #248
exactly. And Obama and Clinton Doctor_J Oct 2013 #252
Me too shenmue Oct 2013 #251

Response to Earth_First (Reply #1)

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
20. Gee
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:02 PM
Oct 2013

you really worked up a lot of animosity toward the departed in your...less than two months here...?

Response to Union Scribe (Reply #20)

Response to Union Scribe (Reply #29)

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
43. No, but now you sound like you're hiding who you were.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:14 PM
Oct 2013

That's your right but it comes off as kinda sketchy when you show up with a new ID and go right to jumping into the middle of a bunch of DU drama, acting like you know people and saying you want people tombstoned.

Response to hrmjustin (Reply #30)

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
170. Flagged for review
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:42 PM
Oct 2013


I wonder if one can self delete posts while in that status. Erasing the evidence.
 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
177. No this must have just happened. You can not self delete when your account is suspended.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:49 PM
Oct 2013

The admins can see all.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
242. I guess the devil is in the details
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:45 PM
Oct 2013

Does it really matter who killed the old account, admin or the user? Admin says some banned members can come back, under a new name, as long as they don't continue the same behavior that got them banned. If a non-banned member wants to start over with a new user name, because they don't want the reputation they've created, I would still call that a zombie.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
244. i think it matters since you constantly rail against calling out trolls
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:01 PM
Oct 2013

except when you're the one trying to do it (your failure notwithstanding).

you constantly rail against posting against other posters in the way you are precisely doing right now.

either you think it's okay to do it or you don't. thinking it's okay when you do it and not when others do it is hypocritical to say the least. and it's being charitable to call you hypocritical, when in fact, you save this behavior to attack liberal posters here.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
250. Yeah, like the details that this is a poster who isn't a sub-100 n00b
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:53 PM
Oct 2013

nor someone who was banned and is back making trouble under a new name.

I'm aware of that link where tenderfoot explained the reason for the new name. Skinner apparently confirmed that tenderfoot was granted a do-over. MIRT members apparently were unaware of this, thus the confusion.

OTOH, juries can hide tenderfoot's posts just as easily as anyone else's. That's the self-policing mechanism for those of us who have been around longer than a gnat's lifespan.



treestar

(82,383 posts)
69. lol
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:42 PM
Oct 2013
thanks for the laugh of the day.

This is hugh, I'm series. This one has been a long time in the making. A suitable number of threads should follow!

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
2. Ignore is your friend, my friend
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:39 PM
Oct 2013

dkf was never going to run me off... I had her pegged a long time ago, as did 99% of DU.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
160. Well said. And many passionate Obama SUPPORTERS seemed to be the main ones tangling with
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:23 PM
Oct 2013

dkf so that makes this thread even more strange.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
21. I bookmarked a thread in Meta that a lot of us...
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:02 PM
Oct 2013

posted on in December about this troll. Unfortunately, the link wont work now.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
229. true. she was more of the concern variety of troll
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:30 AM
Oct 2013

with the occasional "Benghazi, Benghazi...who cares about Romney's tax returns..."

CBHagman

(16,984 posts)
159. Three hundred? Who's got time?
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:20 PM
Oct 2013

Thanks, though, for giving me a better sense of how things work around here. I've seen a few figures here and there but had no idea that someone at DU could by now have served hundreds of times.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
165. She did't get hidden posts and was a star member.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:31 PM
Oct 2013

It is not surprising, she probably served 100% of the time.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
168. I've served on 321 juries so far. I don't think it's particularly unusual.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:40 PM
Oct 2013

My chances of serving on a jury are 100%. I'm on DU almost every day - mostly just reading, rarely posting - but I generally get called to jury a post about once or twice a week. A lot depends on the time of day a person is on DU. Many days I'm here very early in the morning, before things really get jumping.

I enjoy doing the jury thing, and only rarely turn it down. It's really not that time-consuming. The only times I've declined is when I find myself looking at a post in an unfamiliar forum or group, and I just can't get a clear take on what's going on the thread.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
178. I've served on 348
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:50 PM
Oct 2013

It's not difficult if you have been around a while, have a star and no hidden posts.

 
6. The cat avatar dkf used... was that an indicator of some kind of clique?
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:47 PM
Oct 2013

Because a lot of the bizarre things I see posted here come from posters using that avatar?

Is it just a coincidence?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
77. My plan is so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:47 PM
Oct 2013

Makes n-dimensional chess look like rock, paper, scissors.

Series..

starroute

(12,977 posts)
101. It's not a troll -- it's a little green man from Mars
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:10 PM
Oct 2013

An illustration by the brilliant Kelly Freas for a story by the equally brilliant Fredric Brown.


Cleita

(75,480 posts)
10. I use that avatar because I like cats.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:57 PM
Oct 2013

I have never belonged to any clique here on DU. As a social democrat ideologically myself, I know there are like minded DUers here but I hardly think of them as a clique and I found dfk's disingenuous posts very irksome.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
31. My advice is to not keep notes.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:07 PM
Oct 2013

There are some here who have to keep copious notes on everybody because they have the uncanny ability to bring up every flamewar a person has taken part in, what they think about any number of things, and--who knows--quite possibly the names of their firstborns.

I threw my pegs away a while ago and try to deal with people fresh faced. Sure, I disagree with people, but I don't keep notes.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
161. If you have to keep notes to remember whether or not someone is a jerk,
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:26 PM
Oct 2013

they're probably not that much of a jerk.

If you have to keep notes to remember why or when someone was a jerk, there are better hobbies.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
202. I'm already notorious.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:33 AM
Oct 2013

It's just, for some reason, people just like me when I'm raging like the Hulk and spouting profanities or shaming people.

(Also, I'm King of the Lounge. )

QC

(26,371 posts)
7. Not only dfk, my friend.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:53 PM
Oct 2013

Several good LGBT posters were run off by a little clique that swarmed and snarked at them until they flamed out.

That clique is still here and still swarming and snarking, by the way.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
22. +1
Reply to QC (Reply #7)
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:04 PM
Oct 2013

Worse than ever.

I took off for a very long time, thanks to the "pony brigade" and their concerted effort to drive off/ban actual Democrats.

QC

(26,371 posts)
47. I think that kind of behavior is way more damaging
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:17 PM
Oct 2013

than right wing opinions, to tell the truth.

The average DUer is more than smart enough to dispose of those, but the whole stalk, snark, and swarm thing ruins any sense of community we might have and drives off smart posters.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
53. I do too.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:22 PM
Oct 2013

It's been an even bigger problem since the advent of DU3... the self-anointed leaders and deciders on who is a good Dem and who is not.

QC

(26,371 posts)
62. Yes, DU3 has not been such a good thing as far as civility.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:28 PM
Oct 2013

It practically takes a death threat level of personal attack to get a post hidden now, which is why we are heading toward a Youtube comments level of discourse.

The greater transparency is a major improvement, though--no more hiding the evidence.

QC

(26,371 posts)
49. I hear from one of them now and then myself.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:20 PM
Oct 2013

A good guy and a genuine Democrat and progressive, but he finally got tired of being harassed and fired back. Oops. He got the boot.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
91. We have a couple cliques
Reply to QC (Reply #7)
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:00 PM
Oct 2013

I no longer post any serious analysis here.

But we do have a bully problem

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
114. Its so black and white right now at least with the issues of the right wing tea baggers
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:35 PM
Oct 2013

that very little serious analysis is needed..The NSA issues however do require serious analysis..

Foreign Policy as well.

So where do you post??


QC

(26,371 posts)
243. Yes, we have had a serious bully problem here for years.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:56 PM
Oct 2013

Unfortunately, the only people in a position to do anything about it prefer to look the other way, or, worse yet, blame the victims. Of course, that's how it usually works in real life, too.

SaveAmerica

(5,342 posts)
116. Is there a council or group here that keeps an eye on groups like that?
Reply to QC (Reply #7)
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:35 PM
Oct 2013

I know the juries are to keep a watch on posting and calling people out, but maybe a small group that has been here a while and seen the patterns of true DUers and trolls and can recommend troll activity for the admins to decide to boot. That's what happened with DFK, A DUer e-mailed them with concerns. They're busy with any number of issues they have to deal with here, maybe s specific mini group as their eyes and ears would help?

(I say this because I, too, also spent a long time away from DU because the atmosphere got so tainted I couldn't stand to continue to wade through the mess)

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
121. What you are suggesting will create a witch hunt, guaranteed.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:42 PM
Oct 2013

And anyway, the current environment, and has zero to do with DKF, keeps me from posting here anything more than atta boys any longer.

SaveAmerica

(5,342 posts)
137. If those chosen were not picked carefully, then possibly
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:00 PM
Oct 2013

But I'm suggesting a solid group that stays tight, is recognized for their posts over the years and has a proven recognition for trolls. I've watched the discussions about the banned 'DUer' and you can see who's had their eyes open and the admins know who's been around and their patterns of posting. It would be a measured and controlled effort, not a troll hunting free-for-all. It wouldn't be prudent to give someone that kind of power over posters at DU, would it?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
139. DU used to have an editorial policy
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:15 PM
Oct 2013

let's call it what it is. And clear posting standards, and no personal attacks allowed whatsoever.

All those three things were thrown away for a Lord of the Flies environment.

I will keep to atta boys and posting away from DU any real thinking analysis.

When this is attacked by some of the swarm...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023921037

It is evidence that bully behavior is not just tolerated, but encouraged.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. Finally posted something so over the top RWing that the admins
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:57 PM
Oct 2013

wouldn't put up with it anymore. Kinda like Obama not putting up with Ted Cruz and his insane party anymore.

Cha

(297,272 posts)
15. thanks.. I just went to my ignore list and saw that it's dkf.. and EarlG
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:59 PM
Oct 2013

said "Enough is Enough".. already!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
146. This is supposed be one that put her/he over the top:
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:34 PM
Oct 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023919170

I learned a lot about the posts and her fans on several threads today.

I too, had dkf on Ignore a long time ago. Amazed dkf was up to 37K posts.

I'm glad I didn't see all that shit as it's not good for my health. I would have been so ticked off my ticker would have stopped, haha.

Cha

(297,272 posts)
152. Yeah, it just gets ridiculous after awhile, fresh..
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:37 PM
Oct 2013

I remember going round and round with her in 2009 before I left for two years and then when I came back it was the sos of course. So, Ignore it was.

We have to look out for our health.. bottom line.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
156. Have some good news on that front... Will let you know Saturday or Sunday. Been sick as dog all week
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:41 PM
Oct 2013

Cha

(297,272 posts)
157. Sorry you've
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:47 PM
Oct 2013

been not feeling well.. to put it mildly! I was sick too.. and got behind in RL so took my much needed R&R!

I blame it on the stress we were under.. coincidently happened right after it was over.

Cha

(297,272 posts)
72. Yeah, some posters just beg for it.. more than
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:44 PM
Oct 2013

a few have me on ignore.. as I saw before that info went boom!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
154. When members of your ignore list try to derail things like this
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:38 PM
Oct 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023921037

You know that even that is not working.

Why some of us are simply no longer posting analysis.

But when a simple phone number gets attacked.

Yes, they are on ignore, no I cannot see what they have done, but they are doing what they do predictably. This is allowed.

tenderfoot

(8,437 posts)
12. How many good progressive/liberals/lefties were PPR'd/TS'd because pukes like dkf?
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:59 PM
Oct 2013

Everyone of them should have their memberships reinstated post haste.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
23. A few. After a few run ins I started figuring out
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:04 PM
Oct 2013

the baiting techniques to give them a reason to alert on something you said even if out of context. I now just leave them unanswered. If they are too obnoxious they go on my ignore list.

tenderfoot

(8,437 posts)
34. I no longer respond to OPs by people I think lack authenticity.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:09 PM
Oct 2013

I don't like using 'ignore' and just hope that obnoxious disruptors don't last too long.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
58. The problem with DU's ignore feature is that you'll miss useful content by other posters
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:26 PM
Oct 2013

Since it hides entire subthreads that the ignored person participated in.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
92. I have had that troll on my IL since
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:01 PM
Oct 2013

FOREVER ago. I get a lot better experience of du without the sexists, the misogynists, and the verbal bullies.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
99. Really? I didn't know that. I finally used ignore on someone a month or so ago.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:08 PM
Oct 2013

I only have that one on ignore. It would be nice to put a lot more on it but I think it's important to rebut the bs that spouts from them, even though mostly they don't actually post anything of substance. That also means they have a hard time backing up their snide retorts/claims so you can usually get to the point where it's obvious they have nothing to back up their claims. But if the claims go unquestioned they are left standing as if they are true.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
33. A lot of right wing BS right out of Hannnity's mouth via
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:09 PM
Oct 2013

The Heritage Foundation's talking points of the day about Social Security, Medicare, the ACA and so on. Very passive aggressive in tone which is why he/she lasted so long.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
50. Also union hate, teacher hate.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:20 PM
Oct 2013

I first started noticing what an obvious troll it was in madfloridian's thread about education reform and charter schools.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
44. "Us people" are talking about a longtime DUer who got under the skins of many here.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:15 PM
Oct 2013

I am not sad to see the poster go, because the poster tended to not support any moves made by the current Democratic President or Senate and also supported Zimmerman. Some of "us people" are also using the moment to warn other DUers we disagree with that they should be next...and that part makes me want to vomit.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
55. Thanks for the explanation.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:25 PM
Oct 2013

I really did not mean anything by the phrase "you people." Guess I could have said, "This group," or, "Those on this string?"

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
78. My mistake.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:49 PM
Oct 2013

I wasn't thinking about it's possible offensiveness. I should avoid using that phrase entirely.

Cha

(297,272 posts)
65. I know.. when I start to innocently use "you people" in a sentence I
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:32 PM
Oct 2013

try to change it up.. it's gotten such a bad rep.. ann romney comes to mind.

We could say.. "You wonderful people"

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
74. That one phrase . . .
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:46 PM
Oct 2013

I should know better. That one phrase (spoken to an NAACP convention) did also finish Ross Perot's chances of becoming President.

Cha

(297,272 posts)
82. Ah yes.. I didn't know about that.. way before my time in politics. It's
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:52 PM
Oct 2013

like it sets whomever apart with a negative connotation.

Funny ol language.. definitely have to watch our Ps and Qs!

mountain grammy

(26,622 posts)
112. Oh my God, I remember that! Poor Ross, he was so right and so wrong
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:33 PM
Oct 2013

and just didn't get it. I was worried about Clinton and NAFTA, and Ross got that!

NBachers

(17,117 posts)
131. During that election, I was sure Clinton would win, so I gave a token vote to Ross
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:49 PM
Oct 2013

I wanted Clinton to win, and thought he had it in the bag. I just wanted to give more weight to another point of view.

That long TV speech he paid for right before the election had a lot to do with it. I watched all of it, and agreed with a lot of what he said.

It would be interesting to watch it again, and see how relevant it still is . . .

mountain grammy

(26,622 posts)
141. I voted for Clinton because I couldn't bear 4 more years
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:25 PM
Oct 2013

of a Republican president. After 8 years of Reagan and 4 of Bush, I was fried. I liked Clinton, but Ross hit a nerve with his exposure of "free trade agreements" that were destroying good American jobs.
He said the playing field will be leveled when the foreign worker is making $6/hr and the American worker is making $6/hr. That was 1992. Bush and Clinton laughed.

Rockholm

(4,628 posts)
107. A million years ago, when I first joined DU, I used "you people"......
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:29 PM
Oct 2013

and boy did I get ripped a new one. I didn't realize I was being offensive. I could have said "ya'll" as I am a reformed Southerner.

I really don't spend as much time on DU as I used to. I could really get caught up in the past reading and posting, but life has just gotten too busy.

I also got reamed once because I commented on Obama during the primaries that he never looked forward when giving speeches. So sorry, but didn't know that was a sore subject with his supporters. Hillary supporter in 2008 and will be in 2016.

Sometimes people end up having to explain themselves when something innocent is said. I do get that there are plenty of trolls on here who do disrupt for sport.

My 2 cents.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
28. graham4anything, LoZoccolo and OPERATIONMINDCRIME also ran off many good members
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:06 PM
Oct 2013

The first two I know were enthusiasm trolls, the last was basically just a major league asshole.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
213. Yeah, I think he sort of lost it, went on a tear and got banned.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:27 AM
Oct 2013

but I could be confusing him w/someone else.

NBachers

(17,117 posts)
208. I went over there and looked around- saw a lot of names I used to see around here,
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:49 AM
Oct 2013

but don't see much anymore.

And then, there were the few I still see here now, like . . .

NealK

(1,869 posts)
209. Wow, just finished reading it and that thread is full of win. :D
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:56 AM
Oct 2013

That omega minimo poster is a little bit... err special.

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
59. OMC was one of two posters I mooned
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:26 PM
Oct 2013

before I sacrificed them to Ignora. The other two were people I laughed at but never responded to unless someone had actually bought any of their crap.

The moon: (_|_)

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
66. hipointdem and michigandem58 were two more recent pizza deliveries that made
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:33 PM
Oct 2013

DU a better world for all of us as well.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
89. Don't forget HiFructosePronSyrup
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:58 PM
Oct 2013

who I always suspected was an OMC sock. I think HFPS actually lasted longer than OMC and was at least as annoying. Between them, they managed a full decade of DU suckitude.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
135. God you're right.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:56 PM
Oct 2013

It's still not banned.

It definitely got a 90-day "time out" at one point and must have either lost interest or found a new sock.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
149. If I recall correctly...
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:36 PM
Oct 2013

OMC legitimately changed his name to HiFructosePronSyrup back in 2009 when the admins offered a voluntary namechange week. A lot of DUers changed their names at that point in time.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
207. Can't be
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:57 AM
Oct 2013

OMC was straight-up banned:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=180322

And HFPS still has an active account.

I still suspect it's the same person, but they're not the same DU account.

The similarities in their posting styles was always... striking

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
215. nope
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:37 AM
Oct 2013

HiFructosePronSyrup did have a different hame, but I cannot remember it. Maybe it was Simpson related.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
218. I think you're right that HFPS was called something else
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:49 AM
Oct 2013

Was it Hubs2sparkly maybe?

Anyway, this whole thread is a classic case of Meta.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
219. no. Husband2sparkly became "stinky clown"
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:58 AM
Oct 2013

If only I could log into DU2, I had bookmarked a thread which showed name changes.

REP

(21,691 posts)
73. OperationMindFuck fooled a lot of people
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:45 PM
Oct 2013

He pissed me off the most, because people bought into his 100% bullshit tales of woe. I believe some even sent that asshole money.

The other two were annoying as fuck but not as loathsome.

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
93. And capable of endless spew ... I read a few of his diatribes and wondered, when
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:01 PM
Oct 2013

does this guy come up for air. His posts were consistently sophomoric.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
94. Graham4anything was a major league asshole.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:03 PM
Oct 2013

How he ever got to be a mod on GD is beyond me.

Troll and a half.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
105. He was a mod?
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:23 PM
Oct 2013

Wow. I just remember his defense of Lindsay Lohan and condemning Tom Harkin for being selfish and retiring after 30 years in the Senate. Also claiming Obama, Hilary, Michelle would win every state in upcoming presidential elections....

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
115. A host, on DU3. To do that, you just have to join the queue
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:35 PM
Oct 2013

while having a star and not being over the '5 hides' limit, I think. He was disruptive in the hosts group, I seem to remember - that may have been part of the reason for his banning.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
239. Any star member can be a host. You pay, you sign up, and if you are g4a
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:08 PM
Oct 2013

you proceed to fuck with everyone else in the hosts forum.

GP6971

(31,163 posts)
106. Graham4anything
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:25 PM
Oct 2013

Was over the top and it was very obvious. He / she was just too obnoxious......although I did get a chuckle when I muttered to myself "what a jerk"

Number23

(24,544 posts)
164. Probably not nearly as many as Madhound, SafetyKitten, Fire Walk With Me, Better Believe It
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:30 PM
Oct 2013

femrap, emilyg, etc. etc. etc.

I could spend an hour trying to type out all of the names on the "principled left detractor" side that have been shown the door but it's funny how it was the three or four pro-Obama supporters that have been tombstoned that made everyone run away.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
205. That and his propensity for posting pics of dead children was revolting
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:46 AM
Oct 2013

Another poster, usgovtowesustrillions or whatever his user name was, employed the same tactics and was shown the door not too soon afterwards either.

Given the rift here, there is little question or doubt which side is getting the boot more than the other.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
255. I noticed recently that both forestpath and MotherPetrie got the pizza...
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:51 PM
Oct 2013

both on the same day. No surprise, given that they were the same poster.

I'm sporting forestpath's kitty avatar in gleeful memoriam.

Sid

Number23

(24,544 posts)
257. So we can add those two to the list. MotherPetrie was particularly nauseating
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 09:00 PM
Oct 2013

So between these two additions and the seven I've already mentioned (plus Lionessa and UnrepentantLiberal have just come to mind) and dkf, that's right there twelve of the "principled "left" detractor" (pardon me while I ) side that have been shown the door just this year that I am am aware of and I'm sure there are many, many more that I'm not aware of or have forgotten about.

But somehow it was the 3-4 Obama supporters that have been tombed made everyone run away. Yeah, okay.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
217. well if that isn't
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:41 AM
Oct 2013

an excrement statement

Did OMC really run anybody off? I know many people could not stand him, but why leave instead of just putting him on ignore?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
227. Eh, no one seems to be taking issue with the OP saying dkf ran people off
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 08:36 AM
Oct 2013

OMC was far nastier than dkf.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
45. Yeah, because...
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:15 PM
Oct 2013

anybody who allows him or herself to be "run off" is totally powerless to control his or her DU experience!!!

No "ignore poster" function!

No "trash thread" function!

No "trash by keyword" function!

Not even a "trash forum" function!!!

In case the sarcasm doesn't make itself apparent...

I have no sympathy whatsoever for people who claim that so-and-so person "ran them off" an internet discussion board.

Especially not when there are ways to make one's personal DU experience not suck.



RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
61. I'm glad to see them gone. They posted a lot of downer negative stuff, never seeing
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:28 PM
Oct 2013

the possibilities of a better society, than to financially kill off others.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
155. OTOH finally that poster saw some issues the way
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:40 PM
Oct 2013

some of us did. Granted, more than a few posts left me shaking my head, but...

I must say the NSA conversion was a tad surprising and welcomed.

mshasta

(2,108 posts)
64. ...very true
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:29 PM
Oct 2013

sometimes I just stay away from flames ...I don't post much ,even my picture is gone ,
JURY DUTY IS THE KEY

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
81. I AGREE WITH ELEHHHNA'S ASSESSMENT
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:52 PM
Oct 2013

I TOO COME HERE TO GET AWAY FROM DISRUPTIVE LYING NEOCONFEDERATE FASCIST ASSHOLE ASS

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
83. Sorry but calls for witch hunts makes me nervous.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:54 PM
Oct 2013

Cause they have the ability to take on a life of their own, and end up doing a lot of damage.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
184. What's the worst we can do?
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:57 PM
Oct 2013

Oh yeah, ban them, tell them they can't post here anymore.

Nobody's being burned at the stake.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
193. The worst we can do is turn this into a place
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 11:32 PM
Oct 2013

Where people are paranoid and suspicious and at each others throats...not as bad as burning at the stake but as bad as it gets for a message board...sense our bodies are not at stake...just our hearts and minds.
But just like the witch hunts, some people enjoy seeing it take place...it gives them a sense of power and control. and they are the ones who fuel it.

Cirque du So-What

(25,939 posts)
98. Yes, there was
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:07 PM
Oct 2013

The article said that FAUX considered no political website too small for trolling, so it's a better-than-even bet that DU has seen a good number over the years. When I read that story, the first person who came to mind was dkf.

pitbullgirl1965

(564 posts)
113. Interesting.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:34 PM
Oct 2013
When I read that story, the first person who came to mind was dkf.

I'm on a Facebook that's fighting against the Hawthorne PD dog shooting, and I'm certain we had plants including one little worm who accused me of being a plant (I had a fake account without my irl name)
 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
123. That would make sense...
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:45 PM
Oct 2013

a lot of disruptors came here when Rush kicked off Operation Chaos right before the 08 primaries.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
88. Then they needed to go. If a poster can run you off you don't need to be on a discussion board. n-t
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:57 PM
Oct 2013

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
133. I've had that jackass on ignore for a VERY long time
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:54 PM
Oct 2013

There are certain ones I learned years ago to never bother taking off my list.

People like DKF are why the ignore list are necessary.... you can't tell them that you know exactly who they are and what they are doing, you can't call them out on their bullshit. You have to continue to play nice nice to them.... so ignore is my best way to keep my DU account

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
138. Personally trolls don't bother me. Let them rant.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:04 PM
Oct 2013

I actually see the board as a bit too cliquey these days and lacking in meaningful content. That is the biggest turnoff. I liked it when it was more radical and less mainstream. As it's taken on so many moderate members it has become more juvenile in many regards with way too much name calling and arguing over who is a real DU'er. I liked it when all discussion was allowed and far out theories weren't sent to the dungeon. It was more interesting. Peace Patriot and Time For Change have taught me a lot about writing and making solid well backed arguments. I just don't see them or their style of writing around here much anymore. Personally I think the "trending now" needs to go away as it adds to the clique mentality. We need a DU 4 that is more progressive and focuses on where we need to go as liberal democrats especially now that the right has overplayed it's hand and there is a chance for the country to lean more leftward. I hope Skinner and Earl G are seeing this opportunity and working to make the board more mature and cohesive so we can be united in our goals and take the house in 2014. Our own infighting is a big problem right now.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
140. You are correct.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:19 PM
Oct 2013

and more and more of us are just posting away from DU.

All that is left for me these days is atta boys and I wish I could recommend your post. You speak the truth.

What has also developed is a Lord of the Flies environment.

GP6971

(31,163 posts)
142. As well as future members
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:29 PM
Oct 2013

Last year I recommended DU to. Couple of my coworkers. They didn't like some of the vitriol. I stay with it because I've around a long time. Seen the good and the bad

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
143. I had DKF on Ignore, so I missed most of what I'm hearing today. I thought most people saw what she
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:29 PM
Oct 2013

was a long time ago and just shoved her away. She should not have been here for as long as she was.

(Using she since that is the reference being used today, never sure about who one is talking to.)

Glad he Admins finally did something about it. Good.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
162. I have come up with a sure-fire way for spotting RW trolls!
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:29 PM
Oct 2013

However, if I share it, then they will know and stop doing it.

Let's just say, DFK totally proved my theory.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
166. Welcome to elehhhhna's echo chamber!
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:35 PM
Oct 2013

-That's yay, don't you agree?

--Oh, I agree.

---I agree too!!!

----Wheeee, we all agreeee!




Response to Skip Intro (Reply #166)

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
179. If "echo chamber" is what you got from the OP
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:51 PM
Oct 2013

you weren't paying attention. This site has an explicit partisan basis. Putting up with right wing conservative rhetoric here is counterproductive.
There's still plenty of room for disagreement and different perspectives within a center-left Democratic framework.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
185. There ARE conservative Democrats, GC.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:58 PM
Oct 2013

The owners of this site state that DU is a place for all Democrats, and a place for varying and diverse opinions.

I'm bothered by any thread, other than from the admin, that wants to draw lines of what may and may not be said, what thoughts may and may not be expressed. Who the hell are are any of us to tell the other to shut up?





Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
187. Yeah, but this isn't the place for conservatives of any stripe if they plan on staying conservative.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 11:03 PM
Oct 2013

It's one thing to come here and listen and shift to a centrist position, it's yet another to carry water from RWers.

I'm happy to tell RWers to shut up HERE. IRL, I respect their right to have an ill-informed and backward opinion.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
190. DU rules state no such thing.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 11:15 PM
Oct 2013

Many times simply speaking the the truth, relaying the facts of a situation, is seen as pushing RW talking points by some.

But the rules here are the rules here, enforced ultimately by the admin.

Nobody needs permission from you or the OP to post as they wish.

I don't mean this to sound confrontational. I'm just stating it like it is. Someone who makes it their business to curtail my speech, or that of anyone else here, hits a sore spot with me. I got kind of a strong appreciation for free speech.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
192. Sorry, Skip but that's not true.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 11:23 PM
Oct 2013

From the TOS:


Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).

Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.



We do tolerate conservative Democrats here for a short time but not if they continue to spout RW rhetoric at every opportunity.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
194. Well...
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 11:35 PM
Oct 2013

That does say DU is for politically liberal people, but there is a section that also speaks of being open to diverse opinions as well. More than one Skinner reply in ATA extolls the value of differing opinions.

My point is that, except via the jury system, you have no right to tell me what I may and may not say. Neither do I have that power over you. And the OP to me reads like a common Meta rant against all those bad DUers who dare disagree with whatever he/she decides is the final word, the preferred perspective.

Should anyone, other than admin, get to purge DU of all those with whom they disagree, and many accusations of spouting rw bs are based on that much alone and less, the inevitable outcome would be an echo chamber.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
198. Here:
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:01 AM
Oct 2013

This is what I was referring to when I said diverse opinions - it doesn't use that exact term, but makes it clear that a broad range of opinions are welcome, and seems far more concerned with upholding a standard of civility than it does censoring ideas and opinions.

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It is the responsibility of all DU members to participate on our discussion forums in a manner that promotes a positive atmosphere and encourages good discussions among a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints. Members should refrain from posting messages on DU that are disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. These broad community standards of behavior are maintained though the combined efforts of members posting and serving on citizen juries, using their own best judgment to decide what behavior is appropriate and what is not.

Members who cannot hold themselves to a high standard risk having their posts hidden by a jury of their peers, and being blocked out of discussion threads they disrupt. Those who exhibit a pattern of willful disregard for the Community Standards risk being in violation of our Terms of Service, and could have their posting privileges revoked.


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CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
233. Heaven forbid we have a DU that is an echo chamber against racism.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:38 AM
Oct 2013

we really need to have more diversity of thought, some racists here like her to rage against Muslims and Trayvon Martin and who thought Hispanic American Citizens should have to carry their passports and birth certificates around in Arizona. We should have all that so that we can prove that we are open and tolerant of racists.

no wonder you're shedding a tear for the Romney standard bearer.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
182. I'm thrilled to see that poster's anti-union trash put into the dustbin.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:54 PM
Oct 2013

Lots of good teachers and union members got fed up and left or were banned for fighting against that poster and her friends and allies.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
183. I agree. The management needs to be more aggressive in chasing off the disruptors.
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:56 PM
Oct 2013

The dkf persona got away with its shit for a fucking decade.

I know I'm a bit unpopular when I call for a purge, but I call for a purge.

It's time we tell the Tea Traitors they're not welcome here. They need to get their own boards.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
186. I have no problem with the decision to PPR dfk. However, I am embarrassed
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 11:01 PM
Oct 2013

at the numerous grave-dancing threads here in DU where we are supposed to be "politically liberal."

dfk was very conservative and IMO didnt meet the standard of "politically liberal" that DU members are supposed to meet and therefore I have no problem with the decision to PPR her. However, I very much doubt that she drove anyone away. I argued with her to the point of frustration many a time, but I dont remember a time she resorted to ridicule or mockery. Unlike some of the popular bullies here. Bullies that have driven people away.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
191. there's a lot the casual poster will never know that the admins do know
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 11:18 PM
Oct 2013

how many petty alerts was dkf sending after baiting regular posters into a heated response? How many times was dkf serving on a jury and allowing blatantly right wing stuff to stand as the 3rd "leave it" vote?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
238. I completely agree with you. I dont have a problem with the decision to PPR.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:06 PM
Oct 2013

It's just my opinion that grave dancing is beneath us here at DU.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
230. dkf was an obvious troll. Never had anything good to say about Social Security,
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:30 AM
Oct 2013

which is an obvious tip-off on a purported Democratic discussion board. Somehow this person was allowed to remain for years and years.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
236. As I clearly stated, I have no problem with the decision to PPR. dkf was clearly not a "politically
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:04 PM
Oct 2013

liberal" poster. I just think that grave dancing is beneath us here.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
235. Yeah. The grave-dancing is also "worthy of a Yahoo message board."
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:50 AM
Oct 2013

If not a fourth-grade playground.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
211. are yahoo message boards moderated?
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:22 AM
Oct 2013

Way before I discovered DU, I remember posting comments on yahoo, and some guy there said something like "please break into my home so I can shoot you dead like two others." and that was kinda apropo of nothing, other than me not being very positive about life in these United States.

It's not rightwing opinions that bother me so much, as it is people writing things in supposed debate like "I sure wouild like to kill you".

As far as "getting away from that crap". Well, I think we should have more of a discussion than just "ditto", "knr", "+1,000", "right, Bruce." and that we ought to be able to refudiate rightwing spin, with truth.

If we are going to move this country forward, we need to win more people to our side. We need people like George McGovern, who can win in the conservative state of South Dakota in spite of being one of the most liberal Senators ever. We need people like Kathleen Sebelius who can somehow win two terms as Governor of Kansas.

We need to be able to bring our message to moderates and even conservatives, people who already are not part of the choir. To develop a message that can reach a majority of the bottom 80% and convince them that voting D IS voting for their self interest. Win 60% of the bottom 80% and a compassionate 20% of the top 20% and we win.

If, on the other hand, we just tell them "shut up, you ignorant racist, you are not worth talking to" then it becomes very hard to convince them that we have their interests at heart.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
223. For years
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:41 AM
Oct 2013

I have kept a little note pad to collect a list of DUers that said things more appropriate to Righties.

Many on that list are still here. Some have moderated their right wing talking points to an extent. But I suspect they have done this only to better fit in.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
252. exactly. And Obama and Clinton
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:31 PM
Oct 2013

I have more respect for those like dkf than I do for those who became corporatist in 2009

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
251. Me too
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:55 PM
Oct 2013

There are a lot of people here who get away with too much, and I'm glad someone finally broke out the dustpan.

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