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highplainsdem

(49,017 posts)
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 04:42 PM Mar 2012

Radio Experts: Limbaugh May Have Triggered Long-Term Ad Exodus

From Joe Strupp at Media Matters:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201203060006

Rush Limbaugh's misogynistic comments about a Georgetown law student are affecting advertisers more than the usual controversial broadcast statements and may spark a long-term problem for the conservative host, according to journalists who cover radio and advertising.

Veteran radio observers credit the quick exodus of advertisers in recent days to the severity of Limbaugh's sexist rant and the ability of social media to force companies to comment on the controversy. These experts also tell Media Matters many major advertisers generally avoid commentators like Limbaugh, shrinking the pool of possible replacements.

Jim Cooper, executive editor of Adweek, said that Limbaugh's comments were "so offensive" that he could have impaired his ability to attract advertisers in the long term. "He could have a problem with brands being associated with his show. They don't want to have any sort of rub off, to be associated with anyone seen as so bold or obnoxious or cruel to that woman, it is pretty off the charts."

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"It is surprising that he is losing (so many advertisers) because of all the listeners he has," said Frank Saxe, managing editor of Inside Radio, which covers the industry. "It is interesting that even after the apologies the advertisers are leaving. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a few more leaving."

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Radio Experts: Limbaugh May Have Triggered Long-Term Ad Exodus (Original Post) highplainsdem Mar 2012 OP
Let us hope. tosh Mar 2012 #1
Good. I hope this is a message to all Skidmore Mar 2012 #2
LMAO ... "all the listeners he has" lpbk2713 Mar 2012 #3
I think he needs to crawl naked on all fours from Florida up to Georgetown aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2012 #4
That is one nasty visual! nt SusanaMontana41 Mar 2012 #32
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #5
Huh? SunsetDreams Mar 2012 #8
Business Destruction ddhanson Mar 2012 #9
advertising on Rush is pretty much letting people know where your politics stand Morning Dew Mar 2012 #10
Yup. Let that free market work! Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #18
The companies did indeed let customers know Mariana Mar 2012 #22
ROFLMFAO... Yeah right... SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #24
Mixing business with politics, period Aerows Mar 2012 #31
Because of all the listeners he has? murielm99 Mar 2012 #6
It's been radio's dirty little secret for about 5 years, and advertisers are pissed Recursion Mar 2012 #15
I'm not sure that is such a bad thing. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #19
OT: How do they track what people listen to? nt. Mariana Mar 2012 #23
"It is surprising that he is losing (so many advertisers) because of all the listeners he has," qb Mar 2012 #7
The only reason it's surprising is because women have taken this shit for too long. nolabear Mar 2012 #11
After what apologies? ljm2002 Mar 2012 #12
Advertising can be weird ikri Mar 2012 #13
As I understand it, tobacco companies have targeted Asian markets Auggie Mar 2012 #14
I was really wondering about Citrix too jmowreader Mar 2012 #27
Good article. Link to past and current advisers. s-cubed Mar 2012 #16
Good job. Arugula Latte Mar 2012 #17
It was only a matter of time agent46 Mar 2012 #20
Women are a very important demographic especially these days. TNLib Mar 2012 #21
there are two women where I work who listen to him-loudly- BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2012 #30
We can only hope this is the straw that broke the camels back. Left Coast2020 Mar 2012 #25
They did not return to Glenn Beck. nt tsuki Mar 2012 #26
Good point tsuki. Even Murdock got tired of losing money. n/t fasttense Mar 2012 #28
Rush shouldn't worry. There's always Goldline. the_chinuk Mar 2012 #29

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
2. Good. I hope this is a message to all
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 04:45 PM
Mar 2012

of the media start injecting some sanity in commentary and reporting. They all have gotten away with half truths, outright fabrications, and bigotry for too long.

lpbk2713

(42,764 posts)
3. LMAO ... "all the listeners he has"
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 04:49 PM
Mar 2012



Limbaugh has been lying about the number of Shittoheads for years.
Anyone who takes his word on anything at all deserves the result.


aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
4. I think he needs to crawl naked on all fours from Florida up to Georgetown
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 04:50 PM
Mar 2012

to beg forgiveness to maybe get some sponsors back.

Actually, nah, I don't want him to get a second chance. I just want to see the idiotic blob of worthless protoplasm humiliate himself in public the way he's humiliated so many people on the airwaves over the years.

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

 

ddhanson

(2 posts)
9. Business Destruction
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 05:11 PM
Mar 2012

"Win the argument, lose the customer." Conservative $ is just as good as ours. Shouldn't let customers know where your political convictions reside.

Morning Dew

(6,539 posts)
10. advertising on Rush is pretty much letting people know where your politics stand
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 05:15 PM
Mar 2012

So what are you saying?

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
18. Yup. Let that free market work!
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:47 PM
Mar 2012

These folks all love to extoll the virtues of the free market. Let it work!

Mariana

(14,859 posts)
22. The companies did indeed let customers know
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 07:53 PM
Mar 2012

where their political convictions reside. They did that when they chose to advertise on Limbaugh's show. Fuck 'em.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
24. ROFLMFAO... Yeah right...
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 08:02 PM
Mar 2012

Except that Republicans like to have sex too. Perhaps you missed this but what Rush was doing was trying to shame women from having sex. Probably because of his own sexual inadequacies, but whatever.

Why do you think advertisers are leaving? Not because they have some altruistic motive about what Rush said, he has said shit just as bad in the past. No they are leaving because they are being overwhelmed and see a LOSS OF INCOME should they stay.

Get a clue.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
31. Mixing business with politics, period
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 11:43 AM
Mar 2012

Is a great way to doom a company. You make one side mad enough, then you lose them. You apologize to the ones you made mad, you lose the other side.

There is a reason why you don't, in polite company, discuss religion and politics. It's because people's opinions are typically very strong and all it does is divide them.

murielm99

(30,754 posts)
6. Because of all the listeners he has?
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 04:56 PM
Mar 2012

I don't believe his audience share is that high, or that it ever was.

I Googled for some answers, and found wildly varying, non-scientific information. The Media Matters article is informative:

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200903090031

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. It's been radio's dirty little secret for about 5 years, and advertisers are pissed
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 11:38 AM
Mar 2012

Once they switched in 2007 to actually tracking what people listen to rather than giving listeners diaries to jot down what they remember, Rush's ratings plummeted. And not just Rush, all talk ratings did -- this was part of why Howard moved to satellite. People listen to music but remember talk.

I think some of this advertiser exodus is some pissed off advertisers taking some cover for finally acting on what everybody has known for half a decade. As somebody who likes talk radio, that's worrying; as somebody who hates Rush, that's awesome.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
19. I'm not sure that is such a bad thing.
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:57 PM
Mar 2012

The only "talk radio" I listen to is NPR.

But it seems to me that time listening is not everything.

If people remember talk, perhaps it is because they are devoting more attention to it than they do music programming.

For a lot of people, music is just "background noise". They are not actively engaged in the message. But talk radio is clearly different if people are remembering it disproportionately to the time they spend listening to it.

As an advertiser, it might be beneficial to have your message played during times when listeners are more actively engaged in listening, even if the time listened is less.

In fact, this might make such short-duration listening times even more valuable as you can sell them as spots with very engaged audiences who have been shown to remember what they hear during that time.

qb

(5,924 posts)
7. "It is surprising that he is losing (so many advertisers) because of all the listeners he has,"
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 04:58 PM
Mar 2012

Not surprising to me. It's a simple equation... there are more potential consumers in the non-dittohead population. As Jon Stewart said... Limbaugh's show will soon be dealing solely with the gold sheisters (dittoheads are among the few who are gullible enough to buy their line of BS).

nolabear

(41,990 posts)
11. The only reason it's surprising is because women have taken this shit for too long.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 05:16 PM
Mar 2012

And I believe we just might have had it up to here.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
12. After what apologies?
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 05:21 PM
Mar 2012

What I heard wasn't an apology at all, just an acknowledgment that two of the words he used were inappropriate. But that doesn't even scratch the surface of his offensive attack on that young woman.

Well it seems he's riled up enough women and the men who support them, that for once it isn't blowing over.

Hallelujah!

ikri

(1,127 posts)
13. Advertising can be weird
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 05:59 PM
Mar 2012

After cigarette advertising was banned in the UK the tobacco companies reported a rise in profits. It turns out that the advertising didn't actually do a great deal to improve brand recognition but it did cost them a lot of money. Many companies would have liked to stop advertising earlier, but like a screwed up arms race, they couldn't stop running adverts whilst their competitors still ran them.

Do brands like Coke and Pepsi need to advertise? They're two of the most recognisable brand names on the planet, do they actually derive any real benefits from advertising or do they only keep up their advertising levels because their main competitor does the same?

There are companies running adverts who simply do not need advertising. Citrix is a good example. Being in the UK I've not heard Limbaugh's show so I was surprised to hear that Citrix had pulled their adverts from his show. Citrix is a company that everyone who works in IT knows, they simply do not have to advertise to people listening to a radio show to tell people what they do - anyone looking at an IT project that involves virtualisation already knows of them and what they offer. Targeted adverts on tech websites would make sense but a generic radio show? They've quite possibly realised that they weren't getting any benefits from their adverts prior to this incident but needed a good reason to pull their adverts that didn't leave them looking like idiots for placing the adverts during a radio show in the first place.

Auggie

(31,177 posts)
14. As I understand it, tobacco companies have targeted Asian markets
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 11:26 AM
Mar 2012

where there is less regulation (that's less an advertsising strategy than a marketing strategy). They were doing a great business last I heard.

As for advertising in general, consider that a lot of it is aimed not just at potential customers but at current customers at an attempt to sustain/build brand loyalty. Much is also for the benefit of the distribution chain -- wholesalers & retailers -- who feel more confident about selling brands that are promoted. Advertising also ensures investors the company is sound and/or a major player in its industry.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
27. I was really wondering about Citrix too
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 03:43 AM
Mar 2012

There are many products that have a very limited market, and Citrix is one of them. 99 percent of all dittoheads will never need Citrix for anything, and the 200 dittoheads that need something Citrix makes are already Citrix customers.

Another weird one: another advertiser that dropped Limbaugh is Reputation Rhino, whose business seems to revolve around writing reviews of companies to put on social media sites.

s-cubed

(1,385 posts)
16. Good article. Link to past and current advisers.
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 12:32 PM
Mar 2012

Here's a link:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AgDYUq_uYNSgdE42ZklyQ2ZSNWR2MjBvUXJrTFUzd3c&single=true&gid=2&output=html
I started calling the ones with phone numbers. Very interesting. Different responses, from people just hanging up on me (I was unfailingly polite) to just busy, to statements that they had decided to drop Rush.
I tried to make three points:
1) this isn't the first time Rush has been incredibly hostile to women
2) it doesn't help their company to be associated with him
3) please don't ever go back to advertising with him.
By the way the list at the link is not at all complete. Contact information is missing for many, and some have dropped Rush, but are still on the active sponsor list.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
17. Good job.
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:08 PM
Mar 2012

I also make the point that he has said horribly racist things, too, to let them know that more than one segment of their customers have been attacked by him.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
21. Women are a very important demographic especially these days.
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 07:24 PM
Mar 2012

Companies are being to understand just how much purchasing power women have and I dont think it's a demographic they want to piss off.

Rush hates women and I do believe most women, conservative, moderates and liberals either do not like rush or completely hate him.

I have never heard a woman talk about how much they enjoyed Rush Limbaugh's program even conservative women. I think he repels women in general.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
30. there are two women where I work who listen to him-loudly-
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 11:20 AM
Mar 2012

non-stop in their office, a public area where students and all members of the Dept. have access.

Or, they *used* to listen to him at full volume....until I complained to the chair of the diversity committee. (at that time, complaining to the chair of our dept. was unwise, since he was a huge christian conservative repub.)

Now they listen to it, but turned way down. I do NOT understand....I did ask one of them about it once, how could she stand it....she said she loves it. I don't know, didn't make much sense to me.

Left Coast2020

(2,397 posts)
25. We can only hope this is the straw that broke the camels back.
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 11:50 PM
Mar 2012

But he has gone through this before--just not as severe. One of the posters yesterday stated that the advertisers may just be laying-low till this blows over--only to come back later.

But maybe, just maybe, this is the last straw for this filthy pig who has a small penis and matching size brain.

The thing that is fueling this is the fact that its staying in the news cycle. The more attention it gets, the more the rats jump ship.

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