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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:45 AM Oct 2013

Drone Attacks at Funerals of People Killed in Drone Strikes


http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/20064-drone-attacks-at-funerals-of-people-killed-in-drone-strikes

Human-rights groups have alleged for some time that the United States kills people in drone strikes, waits for rescuers to arrive, and deliberately targets them too, and that we target and kill mourners at the funerals of drone-strike victims.

The Bureau of Investigative Journalism is one prominent source of these accusations. "Of the 18 attacks on rescuers and mourners reported at the time by credible media, twelve cases have been independently confirmed by our researchers," it reported in February 2012. "Credible news reports emerged a year later indicating that double-tap strikes had been revived," it added this August. "International media including the BBC, CNN and news agency AFP variously reported that rescuers had been targeted on five occasions between May 24 and July 23 2012, with a mosque and prayers for the dead also reportedly bombed."

I thought of the controversy surrounding "double-tap" drone strikes yesterday, when I came to the following passage in GQ's article on a former Air Force drone operator:

Fascinating, right? A former drone operator engaging in a heated Facebook debate with former colleagues writes, "How many of you have killed a group of people, watched as their bodies are picked up, watched the funeral, then killed them too?" The implication: The tactic is so common at least some if not most would've used it.

Is that true?
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Drone Attacks at Funerals of People Killed in Drone Strikes (Original Post) eridani Oct 2013 OP
du rec. xchrom Oct 2013 #1
What have we descended into? ReRe Oct 2013 #2
A: the greatest exporter of violence in the history of mankind. elehhhhna Oct 2013 #5
I am not sure MichaelKelley Oct 2013 #3
Deterrence and psychological warfare tactics. Coyotl Oct 2013 #4
Ah...Democracy. Octafish Oct 2013 #6
Not ok to strike rescuers or people at funerals. But it is appropriate to bluestate10 Oct 2013 #7
With a full understanding of the DU ire this entails, cheapdate Oct 2013 #8
United Nations Berate US Drone Policy eridani Oct 2013 #9
K&R woo me with science Oct 2013 #10

MichaelKelley

(55 posts)
3. I am not sure
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 08:18 AM
Oct 2013

I do not think that this could be true, I mean why America will do so with his own people? I am thinking positive in this case, but may be someone else can throw some light on this.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
4. Deterrence and psychological warfare tactics.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 08:39 AM
Oct 2013

People will think twice about acting against the invaders if it means their entire family becomes a target.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
7. Not ok to strike rescuers or people at funerals. But it is appropriate to
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 09:28 AM
Oct 2013

survey the scenes and pick out obvious targets. If a high value target shows up at a rescue or funeral, that person shouldn't be killed on the spot, but he or she certainly shouldn't be allowed to go on without being tracked. At an appropriate time that wouldn't cause civilian deaths, that person should be eliminated.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
8. With a full understanding of the DU ire this entails,
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:24 PM
Oct 2013

I'm not convinced that US mission planners deliberately use successive strikes for the purpose of killing rescue workers and civilian onlookers.

<<In the latest incident, the first missile struck the compound in Hesokhel before dawn, killing three militants, security officials said. A second missile then killed 12 more militants who had arrived at the scene, they added.>> - BBC

<<In the incident, which occurred shortly after 10 p.m., two missiles struck the compound in the residential area followed by another four missiles that were fired 10 minutes later, the officer said. The death toll rose from nine to 20 as people who had gathered at the site after the first strike were hit in the second, the officer said.>> - CNN

<<"When the first missile hit the building, I heard cries for help and ran towards it, but militants stopped me at a distance. When they started rescue work, another missile hit," a local tribesman said about Thursday's strike.>> - AFP

Targets are frequently struck multiple times to maximize the chance for the mission's success. This has always been so in modern war. It's tragic that rescue workers and civilians are sometimes killed when the U.S. military strikes at targets in populated areas, but I've seen no compelling evidence that demonstrates that targeting rescue workers and onlooking civilians is the objective of U.S. drone strikes. The drone operator who expressed deep regret over killing civilians as part of his job said nothing which indicated that that was the objective. Bombardiers for the past 60 years have expressed similar regrets over civilian deaths that occur as a consequence of carrying out missions against military targets.

In almost every way civilian deaths compromise our strategic mission in the region. They endanger US soldiers and civilians by creating animosity. They grow the ranks of our enemies. They degrade support for the military mission in general and for the drone program in particular. They make the drone program increasingly unpopular at home and abroad and jeopardize its continuation. They seriously degrade our relationships with the countries in the region and make it much harder to operate in many other ways.

Deliberately targeting rescue workers and civilian onlookers is not only immoral and illegal, but is highly counterproductive to our broader military and foreign policy goals.

I'm not convinced that these tragic deaths are the result of a deliberate policy, but are rather the awful and inevitable consequences of using high explosives in populated areas.

For sheer, brute, lethality the unprecedented bombardment with B-52s over heavily populated areas around Phnom Penh and other parts of Cambodia was almost immeasurably more destructive to life and property than what we have now with Predator drones. Nixon's strategy and objectives in ordering bombing in Cambodia and Laos were almost the same as Obama's today, which is to strike at support networks. It failed miserably in south east Asia for many of the same reasons that it may be failing in central Asia today.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
9. United Nations Berate US Drone Policy
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:01 AM
Oct 2013
http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/20081-un-nations-berate-us-drone-policy

The authors of the two reports addressed Friday's UN debate, beginning with Christof Heyns, the UN's special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions. His study warned of the danger of proliferation of the un-piloted weapons among states and terrorist groups.

In his opening remarks to the UN debate, Heyns said "drones are here to stay". He argued that it was hard to make a case that unmanned aircraft were inherently illegal: "It is difficult to suggest that a weapon system is unlawful because a pilot is not on board."

But he added that drones were easy to deploy across international borders, often secretly. "So it is my view that although they are not illegal, they do pose a challenge, particularly as they are used often in secret, raising accountability issues."

The accountability theme was picked up by the second UN expert, Ben Emmerson, the special rapporteur on human rights and counter-terrorism. His ongoing investigation into lethal extra-territorial counter-terrorism operations has concluded that the 33 drone strikes that are known to have caused civilian casualties may have been carried out in violation of international law.
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