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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 06:24 AM Oct 2013

Email from Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on "A deal to slash Social Security"....

Text of email via Progressives United Political Action Committee:

Steve,

They're at it again.

Billionaires like the Koch Brothers, Pete Peterson, Stanley Druckenmiller and others are leading the charge to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

If they succeed, millions of senior citizens, working families, disabled veterans and children will suffer. We must not allow that to happen.

Today, the middle class is disappearing, real unemployment is extremely high, poverty is increasing, and working families throughout the country are struggling to keep their heads above water economically. Meanwhile, the gap between the very rich and everyone else is growing wider and wider -- and the wealthiest people and the largest corporations are doing phenomenally well.

We must not balance the budget on the backs of working families, the elderly, the children, the sick, and the poor.

As Vermont's senator, I have the honor of serving on the Budget Conference Committee, which will be negotiating a new federal budget over the next few months -- and where I am fearful that a deal could be struck to slash Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

Members of Progressives United have been on the front lines fighting against benefits cuts. So I urge you to stand with me today and demand that Congress and the President oppose any grand bargain which cuts Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

Let’s be clear. Despite right-wing rhetoric:

Social Security is not going broke. According to the Social Security Administration, Social Security has a surplus today of $2.8 trillion and can pay out every benefit owed to every eligible person for the next 20 years.

Social Security has not contributed to the deficit. Social Security is funded independently by FICA taxes that are paid by workers and their employers.

The so-called chained-CPI, which recalculates how COLA’s are formulated, is not a “modest tweak.” If the chained CPI went into effect today, a senior aged 65 would receive $658 a year less in Social Security benefits when he/she is 75, and $1,100 a year less at age 85. Further, the average disabled veteran would lose tens of thousands of dollars in benefits over their lifetime.

As the founder of the Defending Social Security Caucus, please stand with me, our friends at Progressives United, and our coalition partners in demanding; “No grand bargain in exchange for cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid."

When one out of four U.S. corporations pay nothing in federal income taxes; when Bush’s tax breaks for the rich remain in place for many wealthy Americans; when the U.S. spends almost as much as the rest of the world combined on defense, there are much fairer and economically-sound ways to address the budget than cutting programs desperately needed by the most vulnerable people in our country.

Please stand with me and Progressives United in protecting the future of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid benefits.

Let’s go forward together. Thanks for your continued support.

Sincerely,

Bernie Sanders
U.S. Senator


Link to take action in email: http://www.americawantsnocuts.com/progressivesunited/
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Email from Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on "A deal to slash Social Security".... (Original Post) steve2470 Oct 2013 OP
Done! newfie11 Oct 2013 #1
thank you very much ! nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #22
If he's so concerned, why doesn't he just veto the "deal" so it doesn't reach the floor! ancianita Oct 2013 #2
I'm sure he will vote against it steve2470 Oct 2013 #3
Is there veto power in that committee? cali Oct 2013 #4
So his is a powerless position. The committee just validates focussed attacks by reps of the rich ancianita Oct 2013 #5
He has only so much power...he needs citizens to rise up and revolt steve2470 Oct 2013 #8
Yes, he is the very best. And that's what makes this citizen backup call so bothersome to me. ancianita Oct 2013 #11
yeah, imagine that, he's not all powerful. shocking. cali Oct 2013 #10
I've looked around. Perhaps you could post an informative link? ancianita Oct 2013 #12
well, here are the Senate Rules with lots of links cali Oct 2013 #15
But being on the committee, all ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2013 #25
There are 8 groups involved, forming a coalition. Sounds like a good cause. madfloridian Oct 2013 #7
Of course it's good.I'm just frustrated at its eternal 'cause' status because of relentless attacks. ancianita Oct 2013 #13
I don't trust either party on this. Maybe it should be a really big issue. madfloridian Oct 2013 #14
I don't trust either party, either, especially with the current committee makeup. ancianita Oct 2013 #18
Can you tell me who is on that committee and which of them cause your trepidation? Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #24
Sure. ancianita Oct 2013 #26
Mark Warner "Democrats are going to have to give on entitlement reform." madfloridian Oct 2013 #33
Nope. Me, neither. And we don't have to give on one damned bit of any of it. nt ancianita Oct 2013 #38
There are at least 9 groups involved, because NorthCarolina Oct 2013 #21
Done and donated. madfloridian Oct 2013 #6
yvw ! :) nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #9
Here's what I've learned that the committee is grappling with. ancianita Oct 2013 #16
Call me naive but I still believe that a tidal wave of phone calls, emails, letters etc work steve2470 Oct 2013 #17
You're right. Yet, look at these 29 and tell me some of these Dems will stop ancianita Oct 2013 #19
I think with enough phone calls etc, they will stop steve2470 Oct 2013 #20
I understand about not watching it too closely. And sorry to ask, but can you link the list? TIA. freshwest Oct 2013 #44
Not a problem. ancianita Oct 2013 #49
Thanks! freshwest Oct 2013 #51
Please keep this kicked, this is near and dear to my heart and should be to all DU'ers imho nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #23
gospel.... spanone Oct 2013 #27
Not to mention the millions contributed by immigrants who won't see any return. ancianita Oct 2013 #39
I agree with Sanders K&R (nt) Babel_17 Oct 2013 #28
K&R, sign up everyone and call...will likely take a lot more effort so get prepared. n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2013 #29
It's time to slam the brakes on the Democratic party's drift to the right. raindaddy Oct 2013 #30
Democrats have always tried to walk a tightrope.......... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #62
WORD!!! bvar22 Oct 2013 #31
if you do Twitter, retweet this link please: steve2470 Oct 2013 #32
K&R, of course. nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #34
Is this email online on Sander's website? I want to post it on a board that requires a direct link. freshwest Oct 2013 #35
not seeing it at Bernie's site so far steve2470 Oct 2013 #36
here's something: steve2470 Oct 2013 #37
Here it is on the "Recent Business" page of his site. I quoted part of this earlier. ancianita Oct 2013 #40
That should work! Thanks! freshwest Oct 2013 #43
for right now, this is the best I can do: steve2470 Oct 2013 #42
I'll try to get a search result for Progressives United, thanks. freshwest Oct 2013 #46
Okay, found this link. Lot of information, almost impossible for me to access any of it. freshwest Oct 2013 #50
Yep, and everyone who wants to cut social security needs to STFU with their BS. Zorra Oct 2013 #41
rec! SammyWinstonJack Oct 2013 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Tikki Oct 2013 #47
Thanks for a timely thread, needs to be front burner. I know M$M won't help get the word out. freshwest Oct 2013 #48
Doing my little part to keep this kicked. Jasana Oct 2013 #52
thank you very much !!!!! nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #53
Twitter is blocking the site 'www.americawantsnocuts.com sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #54
I can't sign Prophet 451 Oct 2013 #55
thanks a lot ! you rock ! nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #56
Only official link I have found is the Progressive Caucus...and Bernie is the only Senator listed. libdem4life Oct 2013 #57
This was sent out by a PAC committee, signed by Sen. Sanders steve2470 Oct 2013 #58
So glad to see this Liberal Treasure become unleashed...and even getting some press. Times may libdem4life Oct 2013 #59
humpty bump for visibility nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #60
kick nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #61
another kick nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #63
K&R Same vicious scam. woo me with science Oct 2013 #64
kick nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #65

ancianita

(36,110 posts)
2. If he's so concerned, why doesn't he just veto the "deal" so it doesn't reach the floor!
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:06 AM
Oct 2013

Unions will end the terms of all those who even present such a "deal" to Congress, nevermind those who vote for it.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
3. I'm sure he will vote against it
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:08 AM
Oct 2013

I see the purpose of the email to warn other people about it, and to have them pressure their Senators and Reps to oppose it.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. Is there veto power in that committee?
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:08 AM
Oct 2013

can he veto it in the Senate?

I believe the answers are no and no.

ancianita

(36,110 posts)
5. So his is a powerless position. The committee just validates focussed attacks by reps of the rich
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:13 AM
Oct 2013

against whatever's left of the pension and health network. It's this cyclical, relentless vulture dance that wastes so much of our national time and energy.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
8. He has only so much power...he needs citizens to rise up and revolt
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:17 AM
Oct 2013

Most citizens are ignorant of what's going on. He's trying to raise awareness. He is one of the very best Senators in Washington, bar none.

ancianita

(36,110 posts)
11. Yes, he is the very best. And that's what makes this citizen backup call so bothersome to me.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:21 AM
Oct 2013

This just can't be entertained by the Senate. There are countless failed fighter jet fundings out there to cut first. Military contractors first, civilians last.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. yeah, imagine that, he's not all powerful. shocking.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:21 AM
Oct 2013

Of course he has some power, but it's limited- such are the rules in Congress. Consider learning something about it.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
25. But being on the committee, all ...
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:04 AM
Oct 2013

Bernie needs to do is "show some leadership" and "stand true to Democratic principles" and do something oter than just "give a pretty speach" and the committee will drop CCPI and remove the caps and lower the eligibility age and ...

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
7. There are 8 groups involved, forming a coalition. Sounds like a good cause.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:17 AM
Oct 2013

Progressives United
Sen. Bernie Sanders
Alliance for Retired Americans
Campaign for America's Future
Campaign for Community Change
DailyKos
Democracy For America
The Other 98%
Social Security Works
USAction

ancianita

(36,110 posts)
13. Of course it's good.I'm just frustrated at its eternal 'cause' status because of relentless attacks.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:28 AM
Oct 2013

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
14. I don't trust either party on this. Maybe it should be a really big issue.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:31 AM
Oct 2013

I see your point, but I fear we will cave on this.

ancianita

(36,110 posts)
26. Sure.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:07 AM
Oct 2013

Here’s the full list:

House Republicans:
Ryan
Rep. Tom Cole (Okla.)
Rep. Tom Price (Ga.)
Rep. Diane Black (Tenn.)

House Democrats:
Rep. James Clyburn (S.C.)
Rep. Chris Van Hollen (Md.)
Rep. Nita Lowey (N.Y.)

Senate Republicans:
Sen. Jeff Sessions (Ala.)
Sen. Charles Grassley (Iowa)
Sen. Mike Enzi (Wyo.)
Sen. Mike Crapo (Idaho)
Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.)
Sen. Rob Portman (Ohio)
Sen. Pat Toomey (Pa.)
Sen. Ron Johnson (Wis.)
Sen. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.)
Sen. Roger Wicker (Miss.)

From Senate Democratic Caucus:
Murray
Sen. Ron Wyden (Ore.)
Sen. Bill Nelson (Fla.)
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (Mich.)
Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.)
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (R.I.)
Sen. Mark Warner (Va.)
Sen. Jeff Merkley (Ore.)
Sen. Chris Coons (Del.)
Sen. Tammy Baldwin (Wis.)
Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.)
Sen. Angus King (Maine)

The ongoing grind that some of these Dems put on the rest of us -- I'm looking at Nelson, King and Clyburn, but hell, too many of them take turns in just being willing to put House budgets into some "valid concern" box on the budget table. And those House budgets never improve in any win/win category!

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
21. There are at least 9 groups involved, because
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 08:19 AM
Oct 2013

I am also getting emails with links to this petition from CREDO.

ancianita

(36,110 posts)
16. Here's what I've learned that the committee is grappling with.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:47 AM
Oct 2013

"The conference committee was assigned to try to reconcile differences between separate budgets passed earlier this year by the Senate and the House...

...The Senate budget protects Medicare while the House version would end Medicare as we know it by providing coupons for private health insurance. Unlike the House budget, the Senate resolution does not repeal the Affordable Care Act, which would prevent more than 20 million Americans from getting health insurance. The House version would eliminate grants for up to 1 million college students while the Senate plan protects Pell grants. The House version would kick up to 24 million Americans off of Medicaid while the Senate budget would protect their benefits. The Senate budget calls for new revenue while the House version would provide trillions of dollars in tax breaks mainly for the wealthiest Americans and profitable corporations offset by increased taxes on the middle class.

The conference committee includes 14 Democrats, 14 Republicans and two independent senators who caucus with Democrats: Sanders and Sen. Angus King of Maine..."


I can see how public support could offset the lobbyists, since this committee's makeup is evenly partisan.

But the budget differences between the House and Senate show to me the solid hold that the rich and their lobbyists have upon the House. The differences look intractable. Even with public polling. I'm not usually defeatist, but this looks to be more more "budget showdown" activity.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
17. Call me naive but I still believe that a tidal wave of phone calls, emails, letters etc work
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:50 AM
Oct 2013

The equation in Washington is this:

The rich/1%/Large corporations = Total number of Americans registered to vote 146,311,000 per this link

If only a few people raise hell, the left side always wins. Always.

It sucks but it's the way it is. I've seen it this way for 41 years (with the population figure being adjusted downwards back then of course)

ancianita

(36,110 posts)
19. You're right. Yet, look at these 29 and tell me some of these Dems will stop
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 08:01 AM
Oct 2013

stop wheeling and dealing when it comes to Americans' money.

I see potential Democratic sellouts in their midst. And they're always the same damned ones.

1. It has 29 members. The bipartisan, bicameral group includes the entire Senate Budget Committee, as well as four House Republicans and three House Democrats. Here’s the full list:
House Republicans:
Ryan
Rep. Tom Cole (Okla.)
Rep. Tom Price (Ga.)
Rep. Diane Black (Tenn.)

House Democrats:
Rep. James Clyburn (S.C.)
Rep. Chris Van Hollen (Md.)
Rep. Nita Lowey (N.Y.)

Senate Republicans:
Sen. Jeff Sessions (Ala.)
Sen. Charles Grassley (Iowa)
Sen. Mike Enzi (Wyo.)
Sen. Mike Crapo (Idaho)
Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.)
Sen. Rob Portman (Ohio)
Sen. Pat Toomey (Pa.)
Sen. Ron Johnson (Wis.)
Sen. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.)
Sen. Roger Wicker (Miss.)

From Senate Democratic Caucus:
Murray
Sen. Ron Wyden (Ore.)
Sen. Bill Nelson (Fla.)
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (Mich.)
Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.)
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (R.I.)
Sen. Mark Warner (Va.)
Sen. Jeff Merkley (Ore.)
Sen. Chris Coons (Del.)
Sen. Tammy Baldwin (Wis.)
Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.)
Sen. Angus King (Maine)

The ongoing grind some of these Dems put on the rest of us -- I'm looking at Nelson, King and Clyburn, but hell, too many of them take turns in just being willing to put House budgets into some "valid concern" box on the budget table.

I'm not watching this sausage making anymore. It hurts my heart.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
20. I think with enough phone calls etc, they will stop
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 08:06 AM
Oct 2013

Call me cynical but the #1 goal of almost all politicians in Washington is to be re-elected. If they think taking an anti-social security stand will get them defeated, they will change their tune. If they think they can get away with it, then yes, we are doomed.

People need to know WTF is going on. Some of them will actually get off the couch and make a phone call or hell, call FROM the couch LOL

This is why I tuned out of politics years ago. The people are routinely fucked over. Routinely. Hopefully this time we won't be.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
44. I understand about not watching it too closely. And sorry to ask, but can you link the list? TIA.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:36 PM
Oct 2013

I want to put all of this together, the Sanders website link, the action link and who needs to be targeted in contacting.

spanone

(135,851 posts)
27. gospel....
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:15 AM
Oct 2013

Let’s be clear. Despite right-wing rhetoric:

Social Security is not going broke. According to the Social Security Administration, Social Security has a surplus today of $2.8 trillion and can pay out every benefit owed to every eligible person for the next 20 years.

Social Security has not contributed to the deficit. Social Security is funded independently by FICA taxes that are paid by workers and their employers.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
30. It's time to slam the brakes on the Democratic party's drift to the right.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:51 AM
Oct 2013

I stand with Bernie and Richard Trumka on Democrats cutting Social Security and Medicare.

"No politician … I don’t care the political party … will get away with cutting Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid benefits. Don’t try it,"

"This warning goes double for Democrats," he said. "We will never forget. We will never forgive. And we will never stop working to end your career."
- Richard Trumka

The Democratic party is supposed to be the party of the people and it's the people who should decide the definition of what it means to be a Democrat!
We've watched the biggest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the rich in the history of this country and now they want to get their hands on Social Security and Medicare. This IS the line in the sand because a Democratic party that fails to stand up for the public safety net is no longer the party of the people.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
62. Democrats have always tried to walk a tightrope..........
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 08:20 PM
Oct 2013

They've never been a "party of the people" exclusively. They've always tried to straddle a line between the bosses and workers and be everything to BOTH. That line cannot be straddled anymore on these issues.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
31. WORD!!!
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:52 AM
Oct 2013
#t=26

"Social Security has NOTHING to do with the deficit!"

Is an unequivocal statement like this too much to expect from a Democrat?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
35. Is this email online on Sander's website? I want to post it on a board that requires a direct link.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 12:18 PM
Oct 2013

They don't allow emails to stand as OPs.

I will link to the sign up page, but I must give a link to the text itself. I know you can't give us your email, naturally.

Thanks for the thread, the specfics quoted in the thread shows the two budgets are still very far apart.

The Koch funded obstructionism is continuing and hurting our economy and people.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
43. That should work! Thanks!
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:33 PM
Oct 2013

Now to get the link to the data from another poster in this thread. And we need to keep this to the top!

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
42. for right now, this is the best I can do:
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:43 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:33 PM - Edit history (1)










If the email is on the net, I can't find it so far.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
50. Okay, found this link. Lot of information, almost impossible for me to access any of it.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:27 PM
Oct 2013
http://en.cyclopaedia.net/wiki/Progressives-United

Nothing about this special committee, but maybe it needs to be updated or I missed a link on the page. The website frustrating for me to navigate. Will compose something out of these other links.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
41. Yep, and everyone who wants to cut social security needs to STFU with their BS.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:34 PM
Oct 2013

Bernie is telling it like it is, as always.

Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Jasana

(490 posts)
52. Doing my little part to keep this kicked.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:53 PM
Oct 2013

We absolutely must not let them get away with this. With the previous government shut down, this issue, the TPP, corporate lobbying, jobs, student debt and financial regulations I want to see in place, my head is spinning. The hits just keep on coming. I keep writing to my Senator, Elizabeth Warren, about one issue after another. I'm starting to feel bad for her staffers.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
54. Twitter is blocking the site 'www.americawantsnocuts.com
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:01 PM
Oct 2013

most likely due to Koch paid operatives complaining that it is a 'threat'.

They are going to stop at nothing to take more away from the poor and the sick.

I would like to see the Dem Leadership join Sen. Sanders in this fight.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
55. I can't sign
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:31 PM
Oct 2013

I'm British so can't sign but I've shared it on my Facebook and Twitter feeds and emailed the people who aren't on those feeds. Best I can do, I'm afraid.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
59. So glad to see this Liberal Treasure become unleashed...and even getting some press. Times may
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:58 PM
Oct 2013

be changing.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
64. K&R Same vicious scam.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:46 PM
Oct 2013

Send someone out to make stirring speeches pretending that the 99 percent will be protected (There will be no Grand Bargain!).

Meanwhile, deals being made to accomplish exactly the opposite.

We have got to get the corporate vultures out of our government.

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