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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan somebody from WA help me debunk this RW bullshit just sent to me by my brother?
"Not sure if those signs are down yet!!!!
You want to see something better than Burma Shave? These are
Northbound on I-5 (88 miles south of Seattle )...
The federal government is now petitioning to have these signs removed or Washington state will be denied additional monies for interstate highways.
The State of Washington replied, they will secede from the Union rather than be intimidated. These are a matter of free speech paid for by a private citizen.
It seems the Obama government uses intimidation and ignores the first
amendment when they want to silence someone.
These signs are priceless.
Bravo for the state of Washington Northbound on I-5 near Chehalis, WA (88 miles S. of Seattle )."
http://peregrine5700.wordpress.com/2010/08/15/obama-road-signs-northbound-on-i-5-near-chehalis-wa-88-miles-south-of-seattle/
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Here's what I wrote back to his "mailing list":
"The federal government is now petitioning to have these signs removed or Washington state will be denied additional monies for interstate highways.
The State of Washington replied, they will secede from the Union rather than be intimidated. These are a matter of free speech paid for by a private citizen."
PROOF? LINKS? SUPPORTING EVIDENCE?
A viral e-mail does NOT constitute anything but right-wing talking points and internet rumor.
I call bullshit.
light²love, Surya Gayatri
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Only 2 sets of trees - 1 w/leaves; 1 without. Signs Most likely placed in some teabagger's front yard.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)It has an image of 'Uncle Sam' and a silly right wing message that changes regularly. It's kind of amusing in a quaint sort of way - like looking some exhibit from the past of the crazy way people used to think. Makes it a bit of a landmark along the Seattle to Portland trip.
http://eriklundegaard.com/item/that-right-wing-uncle-sam-billboard-near-chehalis-wash
more info:
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/69719858/m/2500066403001
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)My bro regularly comes out with shit like that.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,071 posts)It's interesting to see what bullshit is posted when traveling STP.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)...and has been, forever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia_Massacre_(Washington)
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)I've been using Photoshop for 15 years and still use it everyday, just a sign (don't know who would have a sign holder in their front yard) taken over a season. He must take it down and put it up to change the messages. Same trees, some during the summer or early early fall while the leaves are still green and some pictures now where the tree's have lost their leaves. All trees (from whatever view, front or back) have consistent branch structures with or without leaves. I think it's a double sided sign so it can be seen either way.
IMHO.
-p
RedRocco
(454 posts)the signs are small and the camera is close
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Who know's maybe your right.
I've just seen so much Photoshop over 15 yrs one can usually tell. Usually when images are composited the lighting doesn't match. Takes an expert to make that go away w/o any tell tale signs.
I'll have a look again but nothing popped out right away.
-p
PS..I actually live in Washington, have for a while, and am very familiar overcast skies and their lighting as opposed to clear skies.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)they grow them just as dense up here compared to the South.
-p
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Washingtonians can shed any further light on this crap.
spanone
(135,851 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)that I feel obliged to reply.
spanone
(135,851 posts)Response to spanone (Reply #5)
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gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)spanone
(135,851 posts)Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Wouldn't Washington have seceded by now or the signs been removed, if this were even true?
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)pretty feeble that he can't find any more recent material...
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)All ways good to have back up sources if he doesn't want to believe the pics are photo shopped.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)Lose any hiway funding that no one else did? Anything happen from this admin directly as a result of these WA State signs? Why punish just One state when in any of say-49 Other states that all have a few Nuts posting crap like this?
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)wasting his valuable time to deal with this garbage?
fredamae
(4,458 posts)Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,580 posts)but have seen others put up by this person. There hasn't been anything I've seen that indicates the state will secede from the union. I think that would make the news.
By the way, Washington state has the largest number of people (to this point) enrolled in the ACA. Maybe that is what inspired this. Plus the person putting these up demonstrates a lack of how government works and is not paying attention to current events. Based on the last 5 years of interaction between the Congress and the President I don't believe he thinks "We the Congress" as stated on one of these signs...............
There is a person who owns some pasture or farmland that adjoins the freeway and that is where I've seen stuff like this. It also explains the lack to trees.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)ACA. The whole picture board thing reeks of RW stupidity and irrationality.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)rules that have been in place since 1971 banning billboards even on private property on state highways. I bet this yahoo is the scofflaw who puts up the endlessly amusing billboards on his property adjacent to the highway in the Centralia/Longview area. You can't miss 'em if you drive south to Portland.
Jody Lane
(19 posts)This is obviously one sign with two white boards mounted at opposing angles. The looped wire, a missing portion of black frame on one white board, and the black diagonal line in the lower corner on the other white board, in every shot, give it away. This is not photoshopped, someone has just repeatedly erased and changed the message. That being said, if your brother bought into this garbage in the first place, there is likely little anyone here can do to help you bring him back to into light.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Just tell him you really like the wire above the whiteboard, that the person who produced these needs to take fourth grade spelling and grammar over, and that in the real world billboards need to be windproof. Let him figure out how stupid this is for himself because he will get defensive if you criticize him directly.
Oooohhh, and encourage him to learn PhotoShop because all the right-wing memes need to be spell corrected.
struggle4progress
(118,309 posts)you've got it quite right. I think the English are Ephraim and the Scotch are Manasseh.' On this basis, a pleasant and inconclusive argument becomes possible. In like manner, I counter the 40 devotees of the Great Pyramid by adoration of the Sphinx; and the devotees of nuts, by pointing out that hazel-nuts and walnuts are just as deleterious as other foods and only Brazil-nuts should be tolerated by the faithful. But when I was younger, I had not yet acquired this technique, with the result that my contacts with cranks were sometimes alarming."
Détente or destruction, 1955-57
By Bertrand Russell
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Unhappily, the RW crank in this case is my own brother.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)Obama is somehow "scared" of the same person his running mate defeated for VP back in '08?
TuxedoKat
(3,818 posts)You spelled "comrades" wrong!
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)Also misspelled. Look at the way they are shot from underneath to make them look tall. There's a silly bit of wire on top of them and they are all on the same little frame. Judging from the bolts, I think they are about 18" high at the most.
It was a nice little weekend project for some teabagger. What amazes me is how gullible they are to believe this.
Lex
(34,108 posts)One wonders.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)join the ranks of the Tea Party.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)"Dear Brother. I am writing to let you know that someone has apparently hijacked your email account and is sending out ignorant and racist messages with it. I thought you should know so you can change your password ASAP and protect your good reputation."
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)JimboBillyBubbaBob
(1,389 posts)Or get spell check for those dry-erase boards.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,268 posts)Of course the signs also misspelled taxe(s) and boog(e)yman.
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)HOWEVER, the government is probably within it's rights to have them removed if they violate public ordinance but otherwise it's probably just really bad public artwork.
IF they are removed, it will because they break some other law. Like they are billboards that you need to pay to use.
They will probably be left alone as public statement as long as no laws are broken.
The last time WA state Petitioned to secede was in 2012. http://www.king5.com/news/local/Second-petition-launched-for-Washington-to-secede-from-US-179354261.html
They did not reach one or both of the thresholds, because the petition is no longer on the website https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
Thresholds:
AS OF JANUARY 15, 2013:
To cross the first threshold and be searchable within WhiteHouse.gov, a petition must reach 150 signatures within 30 days.
To cross the second threshold and require a response, a petition must reach 100,000 signatures within 30 days.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)proper signage in any way, I'm sure they would have been taken down by WA Dept. of Roads.
As for the failed petition to secede, the feeble effort was probably started by the usual insane RW suspects. No surprise there...They've got 'em in WA, too.
alp227
(32,037 posts)secondly, anything claiming "the federal government is..." is usually Alex Jones type crap. Ignore such crap.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)i have never seen any such signs and we even drove to Ocean Shores recently and saw nothing . This may have been up towards Seattle or something, but i tend to agree they are on a private road or property.
NoGOPZone
(2,971 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)He made a big stink (as rightwing tools are wont to do) and built a new, (compliant if no more literate) sign a few miles south.
Turbineguy
(37,355 posts)The signs are on private land. If the signs are where I am thinking, there are a bunch of religious sculptures there too.
easychoice
(1,043 posts)LOL...
There is nothing like good ignorant signage when motoring in the Evergreen State.
That NutBag in Chehalis is the laughing stock of the state.
His signs are on private property so they are free to remain there.The fact that they can be seen from the freeway was argued years ago.Washington voters are a lot smarter than your brother.
lapfog_1
(29,213 posts)Also not "billboards".
This is like 1 or possibly 2 office white boards... you can even see the white board hanger at the top of some of the "billboards".
And, as usual, the bagger that wrote this claptrap can't spell.
Comerades? taxe?
LOL
Someone took close up and angled pictures of a white board with their various bagger messages and tried to make it look like a billboard... and, hence, the bullshit story about withholding highway funds unless the state removes the "billboards"
procon
(15,805 posts)That uses old whiteboards inserted into a metal frame like realtors use. Look closer... they have convenient bent wire -- maybe old coat hangers? -- handles attached to eye-screws for easy removal, and you can even see the surface smudges from past messages.
It's a fake. If they were really actual billboard in size, you'd need a heavy crane to lift out the text sections, and something far more substantial than a piece of bent wire and two eye-screws.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)He won't be able to.
1). The Fed Government does not petition states to do anything.
2). The Feds can't cut off federal funds arbitrarily.
3). 'Washington' (who? The governor, a Dem? The state legislature? Gimme a name here.) hasn't threatened to secede for any reason.
This is just racist and stupid.
Sugar14
(2 posts)The big billboard sign on the northbound side of I-5 was originally located about 8 miles further north on the southbound side, and after numerous people decided the 1st Amendment only applies to things they happen to agree with, tried the same "forcible closure" so the family moved the sign to its present position on private property outside the easement zones.
The signs in the pictures are NOT from the Hamilton sign, which is a huge "standard" sized freeway billboard. The only place around the Chehalis/Centralia area with a background like that and the trees is in Centralia at the Main Library, or in Chehalis by the park and pool. Neither of which are visible from the freeway.
The old man was a bit of an extremist, though as some folks noticed the son isn't quite as far out there as the dad, but they, along with the majority of the nation, not only disagree with what the current administration is doing to the U.S. and has already done. I can't say I always agree with the sentiments they express, they at least have the courage of their convictions to speak up.
I generally avoid politics as much as possible, because I just don't handle stupidity, corruption, theft and the "politicians over people" mentality expressed by both sides, if you are still naive enough to believe there really are more than one party with differing names. I was the lead columnist for the Centralia/Chehalis Chronicle for a couple years until undergoing chemotherapy, and as such used to have to do a lot of research, and the one constant thread throughout history has been the inability to remember history. and connect the dots.
So, before I end up WAY off topic...the "freeway sign" is a hoax. If you HAVE seen the real sign (yes, originally this administration threatened to cut off funding for roads and bridges) and it really bothers you, call up just about any Hamilton in the phone book and let them know how YOU feel. Stand up! What YOU say and feel is just as important and right for you to say as it is for them to express their opinion. The more we turn to "government" for our problems, the more liberty we give away, along with the power to get it back.
"All that is necessary for evil and tyranny to triumph is for enough good people to do nothing."
In closing, I would like to point out I was a humor columnist in one of the most RW kooky extremist counties in the state, and though it kind of scared me when my column called "It Could Be Just Me" became the lead, but even though I wrote pieces that were intended to smile, chuckle or laugh, I received some very nasty emails over the slightest of jokes. I would usually reply and explain it was humor, but in some cases my template reply was: "Dear Sir or Madam, this is just a quick note to inform you some lunatic is harassing humor columnists and they're using YOUR name! I just thought you should know." My point being any time anyone voices an opinion, be it right, wrong or indifferent, there will always be someone who strongly disagrees, even to the most harmless of subjects, but never let that stop you from voicing YOUR opinion too, while we still can.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)I'd like to get to know you better.