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Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 11:30 AM Oct 2013

My 17 yr old asked me to tell how I became pro-choice. (Long)

There's another thread that was a little bit hijacked, I had posted on talking to someone about abortion. I showed my two daughters the thread, they read it and instead of being horrified or indignant they were sad. My youngest looked at me and said “Mama, please tell them about me. Tell them about me and tell them what happened with (my oldest son) after he grew up.” I had touched on it lightly with my other post in that thread, my daughter is adamant that I tell about it. She wants me to explain to anyone lurking about what exactly we feel pro-choice is, how we came to see it and why it's so vitally important.

Up until I was in my mid 20's (I'm in my 40's now) I was firmly pro-life, I was on a very high horse and no one could convince me otherwise. Needless to say I was clueless, young and sadly misinformed.

DISCLAIMER: I'm telling this story not to encourage people to not terminate. I'm telling this story because it is a story about CHOICE. Please read until the end.

1996 I was pregnant with my youngest child, and I was sick. Well sick is a mild way to put it, I was already swelling and my blood pressure was spiking at 12 weeks. My glucose was way off and I was getting dark spots in front of my eyes. I had a history of going toxic with one of my other pregnancies. The doctor I saw at 12 weeks told me in no uncertain terms I had to end the pregnancy, it was more likely I would die from pre-eclampsia / toxicity than carry the child to term. I went home and told my husband.

My husband was supportive. He held me, we cried and then he asked when we would schedule it. I told him no, I was not ending the pregnancy. I was carrying our child. Afterward came the biggest fight we've ever had. I let him know that I told the Dr. I wasn't terminating and he was refusing to treat me. I had to find another Dr., the one I was with couldn't support my decision in good conscience. My husband was terrified, he did everything he could to convince me otherwise. I understand why he argued the way he did, he didn't want to lose me. In the end he said fine, we'll get a second opinion.

The second Dr. told me exactly the same as the first, and referred me to another who mostly did high risk pregnancies. I went to go see her and she treated me through the pregnancy. I was on bed rest for the entire time, I was having to take my sugar and blood pressure 3x a day. There were more difficulties but if I were to write them all this post would end up like a book. I had Dr.'s appointments once a week, and by the time I was 26 weeks I was hospitalized. My Dr. told me I would be in the hospital until delivery. They induced me at 32 weeks because my labs came back with me spilling protein and I was developing tunnel vision. I called my husband and told him if he wanted to be there for the delivery he needed to come now, they weren't going to wait.

The birth was very difficult, I hemorrhaged and even at 32 weeks my daughter was 9lbs 8oz. I was in recovery for over 24 hours and my daughter was in NICU. Everything was touch and go for about two weeks, then she stabilized and after another two weeks we could take her home.

During the entire time, I had to fight my friends. I had to fight my family. (Mom and Dad etc) I had to rationalize to them why I was willing to do this.

I look at my daughter today and remember how much I had to fight to convince people I was making the right choice for me. Through my pregnancy there were many times, especially in the hospital, that I had quiet to ruminate over my life and what I was doing then.

If choice were taken away, at 12 weeks I would have been forced to terminate for my own good. I wouldn't have this beautiful and brilliant daughter, our lives would be poorer for it. Not only that but being treated as a sub-human who had no rights to her body would have scarred me for the rest of my life.

In the hospital I had an epiphany: a painful one.

Who was I to tell anyone else what was the best choice for them?
By what right, was my opinion about their body more important than theirs?
In all my previously thought righteous anger, where was my compassion for the mother?
How many of those women I judged were in a situation like mine?
How many of those women were heartbroken, and how much worse was it that they knew they were being looked down on instead of supported?
How many of those going into the clinics were raped, or victims of incest?
What kind of life would an unwanted child have, if a woman were forced to carry them?


I came to the conclusion that up until that moment, I was a very poor excuse for a human being.

Having my daughter changed my life in more ways than a new baby usually does. It ripped my blinders off and showed me how ugly people can be to one another. Choice isn't just about pregnancy, it affects every aspect of our lives. It's about basic human compassion and respect, it's about not trampling others. It's about learning how to make your own choices without having to push your beliefs on others to validate them.

Fast forward 15 years, my eldest son 21 years old and in a relationship. Contraception failed and his girlfriend had some serious health problems that would be magnified by pregnancy. Neither feeling ready for a child, neither willing to risk her health. It was the first true in your face test I had with my epiphany.

She asked me what I thought she should do. I sat her down, took her hands in mine and told her what I would do in her place isn't important. No matter what my feelings were, she was the one who's life would be changed. Not mine. I told her whatever her choice, do was was right for her. She cried, and told me she was sorry. She just couldn't go through with the pregnancy. Faced with all that she had to face, she made the choice to terminate. I did nothing to stand in her way, or say anything negative and my husband drove them to the clinic. We didn't want to risk them driving while emotional.

I sometimes wish I could go back in time and talk to my younger self, the one who was so sure she was in the right. She couldn't have been more wrong. In the end, when everything is all said and done pro-choice doesn't begin to define the slippery slope of human rights. It barely touches on it. No one else can live in your skin, or feel what you feel. Each life is a mini universe, a small cosmos developed by experiences we have as individuals. No matter how much we want to we simply can not look through another's eyes, because we can't do that we have no place pushing them. Instead we have to be compassionate. If we lose our compassion, we lose the very thing that makes us human.

Thank you in advance for anyone who had the patience to read this to the end.

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My 17 yr old asked me to tell how I became pro-choice. (Long) (Original Post) Mother Of Four Oct 2013 OP
Thank you for your important story. Brickbat Oct 2013 #1
EXACTLY Heather MC Oct 2013 #17
You are good person and have a good heart! Thucydides Oct 2013 #2
Thank you. I think many women have been faced with these difficult choices and I'm so glad I live in OregonBlue Oct 2013 #3
I am amazed at how my attitudes have changed over time. Curmudgeoness Oct 2013 #4
agreed... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #24
You were so brave...all those illnesses, stress, "advice", inner strugles...I felt every one. libdem4life Oct 2013 #5
You are so correct…Thank you for posting this...how can we know for another.. Tikki Oct 2013 #6
Pro-choice means having the choice to continuing the pregnancy or terminating it uppityperson Oct 2013 #7
Thank you for sharing your story mcar Oct 2013 #8
Thank you for this. Very much. n/t Mira Oct 2013 #9
Thank you for this post and for sharing your story. Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2013 #10
Thank you so much for sharing your story. WinstonSmith4740 Oct 2013 #11
Props to you for your strength, courage and willingness to share this very personal story. Rebellious Republican Oct 2013 #12
Thank you for sharing your personal story. northoftheborder Oct 2013 #13
Dayum! What a GREAT essay, Mother Of Four! calimary Oct 2013 #14
What amazes me is... Jasana Oct 2013 #15
Thank you for sharing your story. Your voice is important. Silver Gaia Oct 2013 #16
In your wisdom and compassion you show so much love... Hekate Oct 2013 #18
How beautiful ismnotwasm Oct 2013 #19
the act of making the choice 53tammy Oct 2013 #20
Bravo!! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #21
Agree. Forced abortion is anti choice. pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #22
It's not nosy at all.... Mother Of Four Oct 2013 #33
Your OP was excellent, thank you. mountain grammy Oct 2013 #44
That's not weird at all pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #49
Beautiful story. Thank you n/t. jazzimov Oct 2013 #23
k&r... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #25
Thank you. Kath1 Oct 2013 #26
Pro-choice and divorce Miss Alpha Centauri Oct 2013 #54
welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #55
Thank you! Kath1 Nov 2013 #58
Oh, and welcome to DU, Miss Alpha Centauri! Kath1 Nov 2013 #60
Thank you for posting! I also had PIH with my pregnancies, although I only went on GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #27
Thank you !!! janlyn Oct 2013 #28
I'm glad you stopped judging yourself. Mother Of Four Oct 2013 #34
wow thank you for sharing gopiscrap Oct 2013 #29
Thank you leanforward Oct 2013 #30
Thank you. kiranon Oct 2013 #31
I came back to check on my post... Mother Of Four Oct 2013 #32
Thank YOU for sharing your very personal story! Kath1 Nov 2013 #61
Thanks for sharing this - TBF Oct 2013 #35
Thank you for writing this mgardener Oct 2013 #36
Yes. I really dangerous pregnancy or birth will change a woman to pro-choice very quickly. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #37
I appreciate you sharing your story. One question, however. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #38
It was a reverse thought process... Mother Of Four Oct 2013 #50
Thanks for the clarification, I appreciate it. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #51
Thanks for sharing. Borchkins Oct 2013 #39
Standing ovation. Bravo! GliderGuider Oct 2013 #40
And I believe that 99.999% of all women make the 'right' choice for themselves. sinkingfeeling Oct 2013 #41
k&r Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #42
Bookmarking! k&r B Calm Oct 2013 #43
I too have kicked, rec'ed and bookmarked this amazing thread! mountain grammy Oct 2013 #45
Thank you for sharing your story. PeaceNikki Oct 2013 #46
What an amazing story! redstatebluegirl Oct 2013 #47
That didn't require patience tavalon Oct 2013 #48
It should be a choice, the person has to make the choice and no one else. Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #52
Roe v Wade was settled in my early teens LittleGirl Oct 2013 #53
Thanks! woundedkarma Oct 2013 #56
K & R Scurrilous Oct 2013 #57
I agree with you 100%. Pro-choice is exactly that. Republicans have no right to tell women liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #59

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
1. Thank you for your important story.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 11:36 AM
Oct 2013

Your story illustrates the truth: "pro-choice" does not mean "abortion every time." It means a choice, a free choice, that a woman makes, with the help and input from whomever she wants -- the choice that's right for her.

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
3. Thank you. I think many women have been faced with these difficult choices and I'm so glad I live in
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 12:19 PM
Oct 2013

a state where they actually have CHOICES.

Very well written argument for choice.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
4. I am amazed at how my attitudes have changed over time.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 12:22 PM
Oct 2013

As we get older, we do one of two things. We either harden in our opinions and become even more inflexible, or we realize that ours are not the only correct opinions. We can use life experiences and everything that we have seen to become more enlightened or more bitter. I am glad that you realized that nothing is simple in life.

Thank you for sharing your experience and your opinion.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
24. agreed...
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:11 PM
Oct 2013

My opinion on marriage equality started as never giving it a thought, to being opposed to it in my 20s, to fully supporting it. My life experiences, my marriage is interracial (once illegal) and having two gay sisters, have helped me evolve as a better person

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
5. You were so brave...all those illnesses, stress, "advice", inner strugles...I felt every one.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 12:29 PM
Oct 2013

I've had both situations...both were conscious choice...but luckily both situations allowed me to manage the information.

The first situation would have ruined lives and careers not just mine. I grieved deeply and alone. It was the right thing to do.

The other, in spite of the dire health warnings of the doctors...cervical cancer...extremely heavy pressure. I had a supportive pro-choice husband, we lived away from both families, and none of them knew. Short story, we struggled, but made it to his due date and he is now one of those pesky Millenials. It was also the right thing to do.

Blessings to all who have been there, are there now, or will be there in the future.

(Any DU woman in need of compassionate, neutral and experienced support, PM is OK)

Tikki

(14,559 posts)
6. You are so correct…Thank you for posting this...how can we know for another..
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 12:35 PM
Oct 2013

We can't.

When the baggers talk about rights they are talking about the rights of a faction within a community.

Actually when they are faced with an individual decision…Theirs is 'different and special' from anybody else's
bad decisions and the hypocrisy never even enters their minds.


Tikki

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
7. Pro-choice means having the choice to continuing the pregnancy or terminating it
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 12:45 PM
Oct 2013

safe, legal, hygienically.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
11. Thank you so much for sharing your story.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:08 PM
Oct 2013

This is what so many of us in the Choice community have been saying all along. We know what a horrible decision it is in the first place. The last these women and girls need is someone waving a sign in front of their face, calling them a murderer. Your story explains it all...the final decision needs to stay with the woman. She can seek counsel from whomever she chooses, listen to all arguments, but the decision is ultimately hers, and no one else's. I applaud both your decision, and your personal breakthrough.

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
12. Props to you for your strength, courage and willingness to share this very personal story.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:34 PM
Oct 2013

You have great wisdom, and use it well.

calimary

(81,350 posts)
14. Dayum! What a GREAT essay, Mother Of Four!
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:13 PM
Oct 2013

This:
"It's about learning how to make your own choices without having to push your beliefs on others to validate them."

To me that is the very essence of what it means to be pro-choice. It's the individual's choice. Nobody else is worthy to interfere or weigh in or judge or anything. It reminds me of a girlfriend who got pregnant by her boyfriend. She was working at a business that had a morals clause in its employment contracts. They had to get married - something he hadn't planned for or was ready for, but they did. Long before that, though, she called me with the news. She was a mess. "Everybody I know says I should get an abortion. All my girlfriends. And my boyfriend." I thought for a moment and then said - "well, what do YOU want to do?" She responded, assertively, "I want to keep it." And I said "okay then. That IS YOUR choice. And since I'm pro-choice, I absolutely support you in that." Ordinarily, I might have suggested she terminate, too. But for Pete's sake, it wasn't for ME to say! It wasn't my body. It wasn't my life. It wasn't my job. It wasn't my employment contract. It wasn't my predicament. It wasn't my pregnancy. Most people just don't get that.

Thank you for sharing this story. It's well worth pondering at length. WHATEVER side one is on.

Jasana

(490 posts)
15. What amazes me is...
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:45 PM
Oct 2013

that there's even an argument regarding pro-choice versus supposed "pro-life." For me the whole thing boils down to one unalterable fact: I am not a baby making slave. End of discussion.

While I thank you for sharing your story, I don't believe women should have to make such personal details public. Just say: "I am not a slave. End of discussion."

Silver Gaia

(4,545 posts)
16. Thank you for sharing your story. Your voice is important.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:25 PM
Oct 2013

To me, this is essentially what all women's rights issues basically boil down to: CHOICE. This is especially important to realize on this issue, but it relates to others as well. It's all about choice, and having the freedom to make that choice, even about such things as to whether to have a career (with or without children) or be a stay-at-home wife and/or mother, to remain single or to marry, and so much more. Having the ability to make personal choices in one's life is the essence of freedom. Without that, we are not free.

I had no problem reading to the end. You write beautifully, and your story is compelling. Thank you.

ismnotwasm

(41,995 posts)
19. How beautiful
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 05:29 PM
Oct 2013

Choice is also the choice to bring a pregnancy to term. Choice is the ability to safely terminate one. It's not my business what choices women make; it is my business to fight FOR that choice.

53tammy

(93 posts)
20. the act of making the choice
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 05:39 PM
Oct 2013

is just as important for those who chose to keep a child as it is to those who chose not to. Many pregnancies are not planned and the simple matter of choosing allows us to not feel as something happened to us. We have a renewed commitment to move in the right direction for ourselves.

pitbullgirl1965

(564 posts)
21. Bravo!!
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:46 PM
Oct 2013

being prochoice means not forcing women to undergo C-sections via court order


According to her clinic obstetrician, Angela emphasized two points about her health care: she wanted to be watched closely for any signs of recurrence of cancer and, having struggled so long to survive, she wanted to be sure her own health was not compromised because of her pregnancy.
1.http://advocatesforpregnantwomen.org/main/publications/articles_and_reports/the_rights_of_pregnant_patients_carder_case_brings_bold_policy_initiatives.php

2.Jailing women for refusing to a prescription medication and giving her fetus a lawyer but not her.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/25/wisconsin-jails-pregnant-woman-and-gives-her-fetus-but-n

3.Being against forced sterilization
http://mississippiappendectomy.wordpress.com/


http://www.advocatesforpregnantwomen.org/

I was an "early articulator" I knew from 12 years old I didn't want them. But the same people who would have denied me my abortions (yes two) are the same ones who deny all women complete control of their bodies, pregnant or not.


Oh and people who feel the need to rub women's bellies, and give unsolicited advice need to mind their own business.

Off topic somewhat:
This goes for people who ask if they can touch African American women's hair, or even just touch without asking! Treating people like animals in a petting zoo is hardly a liberal value

Bravo for your diary, and seeing the light.

pitbullgirl1965

(564 posts)
22. Agree. Forced abortion is anti choice.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:57 PM
Oct 2013
If choice were taken away, at 12 weeks I would have been forced to terminate for my own good. I wouldn't have this beautiful and brilliant daughter, our lives would be poorer for it. Not only that but being treated as a sub-human who had no rights to her body would have scarred me for the rest of my life.

You have courage for sticking with your pregnancy. You went through hell. I hope this isn't too nosy and please don't feel obligated to answer: did your husband support you afterwards?

Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
33. It's not nosy at all....
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 02:23 AM
Oct 2013

When we first were faced with it he was desperate and afraid, he couldn't see himself living without me or having to explain to the kids what had happened. That was the core of our fight. After we found the Dr. that cared for me, he accepted it and supported me fully. He went to every appt, and took care of our home. He was also quite the drill sgt about me staying in bed.

Sitting here after seeing the responses, and answering your question has me a little misty. During delivery there was one point where I was drifting in and out, I remember him holding my face and talking to me. He smelt like coffee, and had two days of bristles. 100% my husband. I was sitting up while they were trying to give me an epidural and he kept telling me "You made it this far, you are NOT going to pass out now. You're going to stay right here with me!"

After we brought my daughter home, he told me that I had been through enough. He wanted a vasectomy and told me it was the least he could do with everything we'd been through and he never wanted me to have to face that choice again. It might sound like a weird thing to melt someones heart, but it melted mine. He got one, and we've not looked back.

pitbullgirl1965

(564 posts)
49. That's not weird at all
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 01:36 PM
Oct 2013

Good for him. He's the opposite of men who "oops" women into getting pregnant, which happens more then people think.
By the way I complained to Admin about that person on that thread and nothing has been said so far.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
26. Thank you.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:39 PM
Oct 2013

I read the entire post an I sincerely thank you for sharing. I'm 55 and was once, like you, "pro-life" and nobody could change me mind. I found out that friend of a friend, a lovely person who I really liked immediately, had an abortion. Eventually, I talked with her about it. It totally changed my way of thinking - I won't go into the details of her story but it was horrific. I went with her and other friends to the 2004 March for Women's Lives and was so moved by the whole experience - being there to support her, marching beside her, laughing and crying together. Ultimately supporting her rights and proving to her there is no shame.

Being pro-choice pretty much led to my divorce from a devout Catholic and that had serious consequences - economic and family. But I would not change a thing.

54. Pro-choice and divorce
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 04:29 PM
Oct 2013

My being pro-choice led to my divorce, also. I had been married 18 yrs and had 4 kids when a presidential election came up in 1992. The church we went to started a Pro-Life petition that Father had encouraged everyone to sign. After Mass one Sunday, my husband said we were going to sign the petition and I refused. I told him that having 4 kids plus also losing a 5th baby through a pre-birth genetic problem and a 6th baby by an extremely scary miscarriage had showed me that I had no right to tell anyone else what to do. I only had say over my own body. He was furious and yelled at me in the parking lot of the church while a lot of people stared due to the commotion. Mostly I remember him calling me a murderer over and over and that I was going to hell. For someone who was supposed to love me, how could he say such hurtful things and not accept my choice? Afterward, he refused to talk to me. After 3 mos of a total silent treatment, I realized that more was going on than just the issue of pro-choice vs pro-life. I began to examine my marriage and saw so many cracks in it that I had not wanted to see. We were divorced 2 yrs later. It was a huge economic change for me because our state did not have alimony and I had to make it on my own. It wasn't always easy but I have survived. As you have stated, I wouldn't change what I did at the time. It was the beginning of an awakening about myself and what convictions were important to me.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
58. Thank you!
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:04 PM
Nov 2013

"It was the beginning of an awakening about myself and what convictions were important to me." - Same here, sister! Thank you so much for your post. I realized that I am, at heart, a liberal. I am committed to living my life that way and can't really deal with someone 100% opposed to my real feelings. PEACE and choice are important values for me.

Thank you so much for the reply and welcome to DU. Hope to see you again soon.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
60. Oh, and welcome to DU, Miss Alpha Centauri!
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 09:46 AM
Nov 2013

Very happy that your first post was a response to one of mine. I can identify with the situation you described.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,378 posts)
27. Thank you for posting! I also had PIH with my pregnancies, although I only went on
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:47 PM
Oct 2013

bed rest for my last trimesters. Was induced a little early both times. I am pretty sure I also would have wanted to carry a high risk baby to term, and that my husband (who is pro-life) probably would have fought me on it.

But I would never feel comfortable making that choice for someone else. Who am I to say what is best for her?

janlyn

(735 posts)
28. Thank you !!!
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:49 PM
Oct 2013

I like you, was pro-life. Not from any religious reasons but, from a moral high horse I had no right to occupy. I was given my lesson later in life, almost 40 yrs.old
And like you I had a choice to make and kept the decision to myself, I was single and I told no one not even family. My decison was not the same as yours.
I was given a chioce on how to use my experience. I realized that I had no right to judge another without walking in their shoes.
But until today having read your story, I never realized that I was still judging myself. And still dealing with guilt on whether I had made the right decision.
Your beautiful words have lifted a weight from me that I never even knew I was carrying.
And I have no doubt I was meant to read your story. Bless you!

Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
34. I'm glad you stopped judging yourself.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 02:29 AM
Oct 2013

I don't want your heart to be heavy, there's no shame in choosing what's best for you.

leanforward

(1,076 posts)
30. Thank you
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 11:15 PM
Oct 2013

Thank you for sharing. I'm an old guy. In my early years I did not understand "choice". Now, I believe it is the womans choice. You know of the travail. Men, should stay out of the discussion. Guys, hold their hand, cry, listen, talk, but, support their decision.

Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
32. I came back to check on my post...
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 02:08 AM
Oct 2013

Thank you everyone who responded / recced. It means a lot to me that you read it.


Kath1

(4,309 posts)
61. Thank YOU for sharing your very personal story!
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 06:53 PM
Nov 2013

As someone who went from leaning "pro-life" to being resolutely pro-choice, I am always interested in how others had a similar awakening!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
37. Yes. I really dangerous pregnancy or birth will change a woman to pro-choice very quickly.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:49 AM
Oct 2013

I'm glad I kept my baby, but I certainly do not begrudge or judge anyone who can't or chooses not to. It's a woman's choice.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
38. I appreciate you sharing your story. One question, however.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:52 AM
Oct 2013

You made this statement:

If choice were taken away, at 12 weeks I would have been forced to terminate for my own good.


I've been wondering why you think you would (or could) have been forced to have an abortion. Absolutely nothing in the current reproductive rights climate indicates that forced abortion could be on the horizon. In fact, the atmosphere seems to be leaning toward the exact opposite - forced pregnancy, no matter what the status of the mother or the fetus. This was true even 17 years ago, when you were last pregnant. So I was wondering why that factors into your thinking. I'm just curious, to be honest.

Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
50. It was a reverse thought process...
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 02:06 PM
Oct 2013

What caused me to go down that line of thinking during that time was thinking about choice in a larger view. It follows that if a woman isn't allowed to choose whats right for her, falling down that slippery slope could someday have a doctor or court saying "Well, you're simply not in your right mind. So we'll make the choice to terminate for you."

Sadly, my thought process then was correct. I wish it hadn't been. This is from Jan 2012.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/01/19/10192109-forced-abortion-for-a-mentally-ill-woman-no-way-says-mass-appeals-court

Here's a snippet from the top of the article.
A Massachusetts appeals court has verbally skewered a judge who ordered that a mentally ill woman have an abortion against her will even if it meant she had to be “coaxed, bribed, or even enticed” into a hospital.

This fight is far from over, and it ranges further than sound bytes can begin to cover.

How many women are intimidated or coerced / shamed into keeping an unwanted pregnancy? The same can be said for a woman being shamed or coerced into terminating. Force isn't just physical, emotional and sociological factors can be just as painful but in a different way.

Choice isn't just about whether to terminate, it's the ability to choose whats right for you in all aspects of your life.

And though it's 17 years later there are still women around the world that are being forced to have abortions, they are further down the road for loss of choice than we are.

This article is as recent as October 3rd, 2013
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57606057/


I hope that clarifies my thought process to you, I don't mind doing it.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
51. Thanks for the clarification, I appreciate it.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 02:15 PM
Oct 2013

I agree that choice involves many aspects regarding continuing or terminating a pregnancy, including coercion and shame. The forced abortions really aren't occurring much here in America though, and I honestly don't see that becoming common (outside of the occasional interference when a disabled woman is involved, as you mentioned).

I think that we (in America) are rapidly coming to the point where a woman in your predicament today would indeed be forced to carry that baby to term, never mind that it could leave her husband widowed and her other children motherless. There are scary forces at play here, and the right to full choice must never be legislated away.

I'm glad your story had a happy ending.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
46. Thank you for sharing your story.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 10:57 AM
Oct 2013

Choice is about the fact that women and their doctors can be trusted. We can trust women to exercise their sensible moral judgment; we can trust doctors to exercise their professional medical judgment, and that’s all we need to regulate the process.




We have a Pro-choice group here as well: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1152

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
47. What an amazing story!
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 11:00 AM
Oct 2013

Thank you for sharing this important story. Many people think that if you are pro-choice you believe that terminating a pregnancy is an easy decision that is right for everyone. It is so not! Deciding to terminate a pregnancy is a heart wrenching decision regardless of the reason. When the life of the mother is in play it is ten times worse.

I can't imagine the physical and emotional pain you must have endured. What is amazing is that you realized how difficult a decision this is, and how personal it is. Anyone in that position brings all of their cards to the table, emotional, cultural, religious and they make the decision best for them. That is why they call it a choice.

I love kids, but do not have any of my own by choice. I can't imagine what it feels like to look at your beautiful daughter now. I am sure she realizes what you went through to give her life and your bond is very strong. For you, you made a beautiful and correct choice. You also recognize how hard it is to make the alternate choice with no support, bless you for that.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
48. That didn't require patience
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 11:20 AM
Oct 2013

It was magnificent.

It's weird that I just realized that even though I was raised southern baptist, I never thought about whether I was pro choice or anti-choice in my twenties. I do know that I was the nurse who always volunteered to be with the mothers who were terminating for whatever reason (in the hospital, second trimester). I wanted the mother (and sometimes father) to have a nurse who truly cared about them and could help them grieve the loss of the child or the pregnancy, however they saw it. I saw amazing things in that capacity. I was blessed.

On the personal front I had miscarriage after miscarriage (undiagnosed Celiac - another story, another day) and I realized that my personal value system had evolved into "I will not have an abortion." I felt after all the failed attempts it would be a blasphemy to the Goddess and to me to abort, even if it was a surprise, unintended pregnancy. I told all of my partners throughout my life and since I only used the female condom, they knew, ahead of time, that my decision was made. But it was only made for me. I remained as steadfastly pro choice as ever, it's just my choice had been made. I never had to test that because all I ever had was miscarriages. My stepson is my only child and I'm menopausal now. I'm okay with how it turned out.

I'm glad your pov changed. I'm glad mine never did.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
52. It should be a choice, the person has to make the choice and no one else.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 02:34 PM
Oct 2013

Elizabeth Smart, so mature, so sensitive, said about telling girls if they have sex early then no man has would want them back was not the right thing to say, some girl may be sexually abused and are sitting in these groups and those speaking to them is that telling them they are not worth anything no man will ever love them. I ask my pro-life sister some years back if her 12 year old granddaughter was raped and became pregnant would she want to punish her by forcing her to give birth, her answer was no, but this is different. I reminded her if abortions was outlawed and there is not any clinics to have am abortion then her granddaughter would be forced to give birth. It is about choices, we have to make the choice to have good clinics available for those in need.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
53. Roe v Wade was settled in my early teens
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 04:10 PM
Oct 2013

and I never looked back at the decision that it is and will always be a woman's/young girl's RIGHT to determine when and if she would reproduce. Not even the man that got her pregnant has a say in my eyes.

And in 1976, I went to an abortion clinic with a friend to be there for her. I had to tell my Mother where I was going because she said I couldn't go. I was only 17 at the time and it taught me many things that day. Don't take a bus to Chicago in a snow storm among other things. But to this day, I don't regret the lesson even though I desperately tried to have children and couldn't. My health was why I couldn't and it wasn't until I was 50 that I finally found out why I couldn't have any children. I looked into adoption at one time too.

So thank you for sharing your story. It IS about RIGHTS.

 

woundedkarma

(498 posts)
56. Thanks!
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 11:52 PM
Oct 2013

I read to the end, no patience required. It's such an important story. I'll be sharing it with my family.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
59. I agree with you 100%. Pro-choice is exactly that. Republicans have no right to tell women
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:12 PM
Nov 2013

they have to carry a pregnancy, and democrats have no right to tell a women she can't carry a pregnancy to term.

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