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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 12:55 PM Oct 2013

I think Obama made a big mistake appointing Sebelius as HHS Sec instead of Dr. Dean

Seeing as the ACA was such a huge part of his agenda, having someone with real expertise in health care policy and planning as well as practical experience in implementing health care reform, could have, and I believe would have, made a real difference. Not to mention that he's a physician.

Dean is an exceptionally canny guy- something that used to piss me off at times when he was governor. He frequently outplayed the legislative branch. Now granted, Vermont ain't D.C., but he knows D.C. and demonstrated his planning chops while chair of the DNC.

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I think Obama made a big mistake appointing Sebelius as HHS Sec instead of Dr. Dean (Original Post) cali Oct 2013 OP
One of many. n/t Tansy_Gold Oct 2013 #1
+1 truebluegreen Oct 2013 #55
Absolutely! FarPoint Oct 2013 #2
I think Honey Boo Boo could have done better... Whisp Oct 2013 #3
How good is Dean at wrangling bureaucracy? Recursion Oct 2013 #4
Did you express this opinion when she was appointed HHS secretary almost 5 years ago? Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #5
Obama has never done anything right for malaise Oct 2013 #6
that's just a false claim and it sickens me. cali Oct 2013 #10
LOL malaise Oct 2013 #22
hahahaha. making false claims against DUers is such a cute little riot cali Oct 2013 #25
ROFL malaise Oct 2013 #28
Just trying to stir the shit. How childish. nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #47
Yes. And trust you to try and make this out as an anti-Obama post cali Oct 2013 #8
LOL. 5 years ago Cali thought Sebelius was "fantastic." SunSeeker Oct 2013 #21
Not fair malaise Oct 2013 #26
bwahahahahaha. cali Oct 2013 #30
What is unfair is Cali joining the right wing pile on against Sebelius. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #42
I have another post on this thread malaise Oct 2013 #46
yes, because I've always hated him cali Oct 2013 #27
I'm sure you can point me to a post when he appointed her that said that, right? SunSeeker Oct 2013 #32
As soon as the GOP starts beating the "fire Sebelius" horse..... Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #50
Of course this is about insurance and not medical problems, DU seems to like fighting the wrong CK_John Oct 2013 #7
it's about precisely what I put in my op. cali Oct 2013 #9
And what Ins backgrounnd did Deen have plus Deen and Obama don't like each other. IMO. CK_John Oct 2013 #14
gad. It's Dean, not Deen cali Oct 2013 #16
So? Sebelius was governor of Kansas. And you do know doctors are not IT experts, right? SunSeeker Oct 2013 #31
So Dr. Dean has made healthcare his focus for over 25 years cali Oct 2013 #34
Healthcare delivery and website design are different skills. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #38
She was a State Insurance Commissioner for a number of years hfojvt Oct 2013 #11
Everyone forgets she was a fav for that senate seat leftstreet Oct 2013 #13
Did Dean want it? Are we sure he didn't ask dean (informally)? etherealtruth Oct 2013 #12
I don't believe that would have happened. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #51
I didn't think so etherealtruth Oct 2013 #53
I think dfk is lonely and you can keep he/she company. Pisces Oct 2013 #15
I can't say what I think of you cali Oct 2013 #20
Ha! Pisces Oct 2013 #24
on DU people who dare criticize the obama crowd are libertarian racist trolls bla bla etc lol msongs Oct 2013 #33
no, just mostly ideologues. KittyWampus Oct 2013 #54
I'm withholding further criticism of all things ACA until the bugs are worked out Zorra Oct 2013 #17
Of course he did treestar Oct 2013 #18
Another log for the bonfire. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #19
Now is the time to support not attack. The war against ACA kiranon Oct 2013 #23
I'm not attacking. And I have defended the ACA cali Oct 2013 #29
Agree with that! Dean very smart and capable! He's been ignored by Nat. Dem. party. Why? northoftheborder Oct 2013 #35
Me too. Water under the bridge. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #36
Meanwhile, in Alternate Universe DU this morning: LadyHawkAZ Oct 2013 #37
haha Hutzpa Oct 2013 #41
Can't think of many mushy-headed libruls or progressives being appointed to high positions indepat Oct 2013 #39
Indeed. Wouldn't be prudent. jsr Oct 2013 #45
I completely disagree Hutzpa Oct 2013 #40
Responsibility for the healthcare.gov project is at least 4 levels down from sebelius FarCenter Oct 2013 #43
The President should appoint the people he likes, respects, and wants to see at meetings every day BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #44
Oh...#3857461 thing that Obama did wrong, #0 of what he's done right Sheepshank Oct 2013 #48
Why do you think that? MineralMan Oct 2013 #49
You and I don't agree on much, but I agree on this. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #52
At least she is a Democrat (D). It could have been worse. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #56

FarPoint

(12,412 posts)
2. Absolutely!
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:01 PM
Oct 2013

Many of us were greatly disappointed when Obama snubbed Dr Dean. I sense our President regrets that decision today. I know I do.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. How good is Dean at wrangling bureaucracy?
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:09 PM
Oct 2013

I didn't watch him in VT; at DNC he seemed to have a habit of burning bridges (but that was also exactly what the DNC needed at that moment).

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
5. Did you express this opinion when she was appointed HHS secretary almost 5 years ago?
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:09 PM
Oct 2013

Curious how this post comes out as the GOP is savaging her.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. that's just a false claim and it sickens me.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:13 PM
Oct 2013

you should know better.

I take that back. I really don't expect anything more from you.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. Yes. And trust you to try and make this out as an anti-Obama post
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:11 PM
Oct 2013

I know precisely what you're up to.

SunSeeker

(51,576 posts)
42. What is unfair is Cali joining the right wing pile on against Sebelius.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:18 PM
Oct 2013

Cali gushed about Governor Sebelius during the 2008 campaign, calling her endorsement of Obama a "fantastic endorsement," suggesting that endorsement was one of the reasons those were "heady times" for Obama supporters. Cali's words, not mine.

When Obama appointed Sebelius, there was not a peep out of Cali. As is amply demonstrated of late, Cali never has an unspoken thought when it comes to disagreement with Obama. If she thought Sebelius was a bad choice for HHS, she would have said so 5 years ago. She didn't. Instead, she is just joining the pile on now, when Sebelius is being savaged in the MSM. Not cool. And certainly not fair.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
27. yes, because I've always hated him
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:35 PM
Oct 2013

though it's the endorsement I said I thought was fantastic. And I never endorsed her for HHS

SunSeeker

(51,576 posts)
32. I'm sure you can point me to a post when he appointed her that said that, right?
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:44 PM
Oct 2013

I didn't say you always hated him. But you do seem to have absorbed a lot of right wing talking points about him.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
50. As soon as the GOP starts beating the "fire Sebelius" horse.....
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:53 PM
Oct 2013

you begin to spread anti-Sebelius propaganda.

It's very curious indeed.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
7. Of course this is about insurance and not medical problems, DU seems to like fighting the wrong
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:11 PM
Oct 2013

problem. She had the ins background not an IT background.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
16. gad. It's Dean, not Deen
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:28 PM
Oct 2013

Dean was governor of Vermont for 12 years and had experience with insurance companies in that capacity and he was a practicing physician as well.

SunSeeker

(51,576 posts)
31. So? Sebelius was governor of Kansas. And you do know doctors are not IT experts, right?
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:42 PM
Oct 2013

This difficult roll out is to be laid at the feet of the portion of the Supreme Court's ruling, 18 months before the fed website launch, that allowed 26 red states to pull this stunt, refusing Medicaid funding and dumping their citizens onto the fed exchange. The fed site was never meant to nor was it budgeted to take this sort of traffic. Howard Dean would have been in the same fix. Dean is not an IT expert, and would have hired contractors to do the work just like Sebelius. And the contractors would have been screwed by the SCOTUS ruling under Dean just like they were under Sebelius.

State exchanges with Dem governors are working just fine. The CA exchange has already signed up 290,000 people. Oregon reducing their uninsured population by 10% in just 2 weeks.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
34. So Dr. Dean has made healthcare his focus for over 25 years
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:54 PM
Oct 2013

And his experience as a Dr. is sure as shit not irrelevant. Plus, he's an effective as hell manager- see the DNC under his watch.

And there's a lot more to the job of Sec of HHS than IT, you know that. Evidently not.

SunSeeker

(51,576 posts)
38. Healthcare delivery and website design are different skills.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:06 PM
Oct 2013

Dean, as wonderful as he is, does not have website design skills.

And you are also making the incorrect assumption that Dean would have taken the job.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
11. She was a State Insurance Commissioner for a number of years
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:13 PM
Oct 2013

The thing that rankled me about it, was that I had Sebelius probably winning a Senate seat (in Kansas!) in 2010.

Maybe that would not have happened anyway, considering the electoral bloodbath of 2010, but it seems to me that in Kansas anyway, that her exit took all of the air out of the KDP and that was one of the reasons we got clobbered in 2010. We didn't have a strong state-wide candidate. As much as I love Senator Tom Holland who ran for Governor, he entered the race late, and without statewide name recognition, and after a lot of flopping around by the party trying to find a candidate.

A couple other things happened as well. Dennis Moore, our six term incumbent from the 3rd district, got early stage Alzheimer's and dropped out, once again leaving the party scrambling for a candidate to start running very late. Sebelius Lt. Governor from 2006 was a former state Republican chair who apparently lacked the guts to run himself. If Sebelius had made a better pick there, the party would have had a strong candidate with statewide name recognition.

Instead, we ended up like a chimpanzee trying to tackle a rhino, and we got flattened.

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
13. Everyone forgets she was a fav for that senate seat
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:21 PM
Oct 2013

That was clearly more important if your party wants a majority...

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
12. Did Dean want it? Are we sure he didn't ask dean (informally)?
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:14 PM
Oct 2013

I am asking ... I don't know the answer...?

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
51. I don't believe that would have happened.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:01 PM
Oct 2013

Dean is not close with the DLC types (Clinton/Obama/Reid/etal). The establishment Dems would rather People-powered Howard would just go away.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
20. I can't say what I think of you
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:31 PM
Oct 2013

and I can't tell you what you should do to yourself. And sadly I can't tell you where you should go.

I can tell you that what you're insinuating is bullshit and I can tell you that I have nothing but contempt for said form of bullshit.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
17. I'm withholding further criticism of all things ACA until the bugs are worked out
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:29 PM
Oct 2013

and republicans are trying desperately to remove their feet from their mouths so they can eat their crow.

kiranon

(1,727 posts)
23. Now is the time to support not attack. The war against ACA
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:33 PM
Oct 2013

comes from many fronts and I don't think anyone could do any better than Sebelius. Hang in there. It will get better. If so many Republican governors did not opt out of doing there own version of the ACA, there would be fewer problems. These governors opted out in order to cause more strain on the start up of the ACA. California supported the ACA from the get go and set up its own system and it is working much better than the federal version.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
37. Meanwhile, in Alternate Universe DU this morning:
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:06 PM
Oct 2013
cali
0. I think Obama made a big mistake appointing Dean as HHS Sec instead of Sebelius


Seeing as the ACA was such a huge part of his agenda, having someone with real expertise in dealing with the insurance industry could have, and I believe would have, made a real difference. Not to mention that she's a woman.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
39. Can't think of many mushy-headed libruls or progressives being appointed to high positions
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:08 PM
Oct 2013

in BHO's administration. We need strong on national defense, tough on crime, drugs, and terra individuals appointed to high-level government positions, not mushy-headed libruls. Everyone knows libruls is a bad name.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
40. I completely disagree
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:13 PM
Oct 2013

Kathleen Sebelius has been one of the most effective HHS Sec for a very long time, we all know the right
does not want her as head of the HHS, as a matter of fact the right would like to see all of Obama's
Cabinet replaced if they have their way.

Let's not help them with their one sided narrative, please.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
43. Responsibility for the healthcare.gov project is at least 4 levels down from sebelius
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:18 PM
Oct 2013

Sibelius -> Tavenner -> Snyder -> Trenkle -> Chao

http://www.cms.gov/About-CMS/Agency-Information/CMSLeadership/Office_OIS.html

And the project may be under Monique Outerbridge, Director Consumer Information & Insurance Systems Group

Technology is not an area of importance or competence in the Washington bureaucracy.

Dean wouldn't have made a difference.

 
44. The President should appoint the people he likes, respects, and wants to see at meetings every day
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:26 PM
Oct 2013

not token liberals to throw crumbs to the base.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
49. Why do you think that?
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:58 PM
Oct 2013

The roll-out of the federal exchange isn't really one of her primary responsibilities. She has long experience with the insurance industry, which is what ACA implementation is all about. Dean might have been a good choice, too, but he was not the choice, or turned the opportunity down.

The problems with the exchange website is not Ms. Sebelius' fault. She didn't create that website. She is an administrator and has a broad range of responsibilities. Someone else had the responsibility for that website.

You're getting a lot of flack for this post, and perhaps deservedly so. You had no problem with her appointment when it was made, but now that the Republicans are attacking this woman, you are carrying their water here. I don't find that particularly appropriate just now, when the entire ACA is under attack. I'm not surprised, but I don't find it appropriate right now.

That is my opinion. Yours, no doubt, differs.

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