this idea of taking care of your fellow humans comes straight from the bible( a book all these repugs just love to refer to , but don't seem to understand.

The evil that some men do by standing idly by and watching...horrid.

They can after his estate but after that is gone they are out of luck. Maybe she did sign something, but I bring this up because I have a friend that a bill collector tried to collect from him, for his father medical bills even though he was not responsible. At first he thought he was responsible, because they lied and told him he was.

who may have been the executor or 'personal representative,' had decent representation. Sounds like that may not have been the case.

Quite a while ago there was an article in the Star Tribune about collection agencies bothering next of kin for bills (not just medical) that they were not legally responsible for. (Apparently it's especially easy to con elderly parents into thinking they owe for their adult children). Minnesota has some strict rules for collection agencies and an AG that enforces them - it was not pretty for the companies involved.

hoping the relatives will not know they aren't responsible. Often they don't. This happened to two of my mother's friends, both of them elderly women. They were defrauded the same way your friend was. My mom's an accountant and she helps some of her friends with their finances. She found out they were paying these bills and told them to stop paying, and told them to get legal advice if they didn't believe her.

Anyone who does this should be locked up.

How ironic.

Did he delay going to the Doctor because he did not have insurance, only going when he was so sick that he needed emergency care?

My dad almost died of viral pneumonia when he was in his early 40's. He was in the hospital for weeks.

sister almost died from it. At first she kept ignoring her persistent "cold" because she was so busy with 3 small kids, and mothers often take care of themselves last. Then, when she felt bad enough to finally try to see a doctor, the receptionist kept pushing her off, because the doctors were booked solid for 2 weeks--not uncommon, since certain forms of insurance coverage at the time enabled people to see a doctor for litttle or no co-pay for even the most minor issues. Finally, her mother-in-law found her collapsed and unconscious on the floor. When she took her to the emergency room, they admitted her immediately. The doctors said she was lucky that she was found and brought in then, because she probably would not have lasted another day.

In my late 40s I also became seriously ill with pneumonia. I had been masking my symptoms with DayQuil because I needed to keep making it to work. When I finally found time to see the doctor, I stopped taking the DayQuil so she would be able to actually see what my symptoms were. By the time I got in to see her, after a nearly one-hour wait in the waiting room, I had to be pretty much carried in, because I was too weak to lift my head and walk. They took me to X-ray in a wheelchair, with my head hanging down from weakness. I could have died, simply because like most relatively young, healthy people, I did not think my "little cold" was serious enough to take time off work or to see a doctor. (Of course, if employers were more reasonable about letting people miss work for illness, that would happen less often.)

Preamble of the Constitution.

I mean, who wants to be enslaved, right?

So die, and die quickly, right?

die quickly enough. (Please understand I'm being ironic here.)

The really sad thing is that he's by no means the only one that this sort of thing has happened to, but hopefully will become much rarer after January 1, 2014.

why don't think freedom fucks give up their health insurance? then they can have the freedom to go into debt...or die.

and Colossal Dickbag.

something to the effect that Mr. Snyder was proud to not have insurance etc.
Fuckers killed him and then tried to turn him into a martyr.

elleng

Another evidence, about "Universal health care" who I have access to - is the best solution to a grave illness who with proper treatment is absolutely treatable - and where the patient will recover totally..

I had Pneumonia allmoust two mounts ago - got really sick - managed to get to the local hospital - where the doctors was worried about how to treat me, as it was not the typical pneumonia but with proper medication - and a 3 week hospital stay I was able to walk out of the hospital again - well enough to get home and is now more or less totally recovered from my ilness... Wel it was little more complicated than just a pneumonia as I had a Kidney who also was not well - and some other problems - but now I am well - the kidney problem is more or less solved with medication... Wil go back to the hospital in december to do some surgery - all under the Universal Health care system I am able to have acess to...

If I had been living in the US, I would possible be dead now... As I do not have a lot of money (living on disability is something that do not make you a rich person)... But thanks to "universal health care" who in many ears over the atlantic sounds like pure communism - I was able to get well - and to tell the story....

Diclotican

in one of the sane places that provides universal health care.

elleng

I am very lucky to live in a country where we have universal health care. And the food was not bad either - to be in a hospital -even though I was not hungry at all for almost the whole hospital stay - the result of it, was that I lost weight almost 15 kg in 3 weeks time... Not that it was bad as I was somewhat over the first 100 kg - but it was a kind of brutal form of dieting... The first 1 week and a half I was not hungry at all - the last part of the stay I was starting to at least eat something - but even then, for the most part I was just sleeping and was not hungry at all.. First time I took on my ordinary cloth my trousers It was kind of far to big to me - and still is...
it was kind of a hard way of loosing waight I guess..
Diclotican

I recall that sick exchange from that Repuke debate like it just happened.

"After Snyder's death, Paul posted a message to the website for his Campaign for Liberty — a pre-Tea Party organization which served Paul as both presidential marketing tool and platform to promote his non-interventionist, free market ideals.

He wrote:

"Like so many in our movement, Kent sacrificed much for the cause of liberty. Kent poured every ounce of his being into our fight for freedom. He will always hold a place in my heart and in the hearts of my family."

And that, friends, is what freedom is really all about."

Nice way to encourage others to be freedom loving.

mammals, tend look after one another as a survival strategy. It is very effective. Libertarians like Paul employ an individualist survival strategy more appropriate to lower life forms than to humans.

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I never thought about it that way but that has some truth to it.

Why? Why the fuck should his mom be stuck with the bill? Is that standard op? Shouldn't the debt die with the person?

unless she had agreed somehow to pay.

My father died in 2003 and had bills up the gazoo including a mortgage and car loan. Now granted he lost the house and we turned the car over to the lender, but there was no money to pay his bills. The companies have to write it off.

to send out bills to surviving relatives, even though the relatives aren't responsible. They hope the relatives will be fooled into believing they are obligated to pay. Sometimes, especially when it's a collections agency, they lie outright and tell the relatives they are responsible.

At least I knew enough to retain counsel to deal with probate matters for my husband. I send counsel all bills + correspondence, and don't worry about such things.

If it didn't work, they wouldn't do it.

It doesn't help any when stories like this one are published. It reads, "The bill was handed to Snyder's surviving mother (pictured, left), who was incapable of paying." as if it's the most natural thing in the word for her to be on the hook for her adult son's hospital bill. Maybe she signed something and she really is liable, but the article doesn't say that. So, people read this story and others like it, and then when it happens to them, they don't question.

she had a credit card bill from a department store, a small amount, for a purchase she'd made shortly before her death. The card company came after me. I explained that the person who had incurred the charge was dead and I was not responsible for her debts. I informed them that I would submit the bill to her estate for payment. The bill collection agency person got very annoyed and implied that my credit would suffer as a result if I didn't pay up immediately. I didn't bite and continued on the next several calls that followed to state that I'd submit the bill to the estate. Finally I was told not to bother. So I didn't.

when signing in if you have no health Ins. They ask someone with you to co-sign for you, if you don't pay up they come after the co-signer

the freedom for us to watch him and other politicians have better health care than us.

responsibility is NOT one they own!