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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:30 AM Nov 2013

Obama Advisors considered replacing Biden

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/01/us/politics/book-details-consideration-of-replacing-biden-on-2012-ticket.html?_r=0

Book Details Obama Aides’ Talks About Replacing Biden on 2012 Ticket

President Obama’s top aides secretly considered replacing Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. with Hillary Rodham Clinton on the 2012 ticket, undertaking extensive focus-group sessions and polling in late 2011 when Mr. Obama’s re-election outlook appeared uncertain.

The aides concluded that despite Mrs. Clinton’s popularity, the move would not offer a significant enough political boost to Mr. Obama to justify such a radical move, according to a newly published account of the 2012 race.

The idea of replacing Mr. Biden with Mrs. Clinton had long been rumored, but the journalists Mark Halperin and John Heilemann, in their new book, “Double Down,” provide a detailed description of the effort inside the senior circle of Obama advisers. It was pushed by the chief of staff at the time, William M. Daley, despite the close personal rapport Mr. Daley had developed with Mr. Biden, a fellow Irish Catholic and veteran of Washington politics.

“When the research came back near the end of the year, it suggested that adding Clinton to the ticket wouldn’t materially improve Obama’s odds,” the authors write in their sequel to “Game Change,” which chronicled the 2008 campaign. “Biden had dodged a bullet he never saw coming — and never would know anything about, if the Obamans could keep a secret.”


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Obama Advisors considered replacing Biden (Original Post) Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2013 OP
Thanks for the article, Clinton campaign. nt tridim Nov 2013 #1
^^^EXACTLY^^^^ FSogol Nov 2013 #8
Bad headline BumRushDaShow Nov 2013 #2
This is the job of the staffers and advisors.... FarPoint Nov 2013 #7
The original OP headline said "Obama thought about replacing Biden". BumRushDaShow Nov 2013 #13
thanks. point taken. not enough coffee. nt Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2013 #9
Thanks! BumRushDaShow Nov 2013 #14
I bet Obama, Biden, and Hilary get a good chuckle out of this stuff. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #3
"Top aides secretly considered" DefenseLawyer Nov 2013 #4
New distraction. The media will eat this up all week. We heard this rumour long ago. The mfcorey1 Nov 2013 #5
I remember lots of conversation here about the idea of it. Eww...not sure I agree Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2013 #10
David Plouffe's take, via Twitter, rebuts the OP headline: Denzil_DC Nov 2013 #6
good find. interesting. Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2013 #11
Well, I'm sure some would respond, "He would say that ..."! Denzil_DC Nov 2013 #12
Mark Halperin. Hmm ... Laelth Nov 2013 #15
Halperin on Mourning Schmoe and McLame on any Sunday news show BumRushDaShow Nov 2013 #16
Apparently Biden is not Right wing enough RC Nov 2013 #17

BumRushDaShow

(129,376 posts)
2. Bad headline
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:33 AM
Nov 2013

If you read the story (which I did early this morning), the book only claims that his "advisers", NOT him, purportedly looked at this as an option (among other things) and admitted he may or may not have even had any input in the strategy.

This is Jonathan Martin/Mark Halprin stuff.

FarPoint

(12,430 posts)
7. This is the job of the staffers and advisors....
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:40 AM
Nov 2013

List and explore the options.....present them to the candidate and/or the President.

Then make a final decision...........

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
4. "Top aides secretly considered"
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:35 AM
Nov 2013

Just because his aides considered it and made a case for it, doesn't mean the President ever actually considered it.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
5. New distraction. The media will eat this up all week. We heard this rumour long ago. The
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:37 AM
Nov 2013

talking heads will all nave anonymous sources who told them something. The criticism of the ACA is fading so there is a need for a new crisis. When will we get back to the work of the people? Damn! There is more drama in politics than there is gossip on TMZ.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
10. I remember lots of conversation here about the idea of it. Eww...not sure I agree
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:49 AM
Nov 2013

about ACA criticism fading ?

Denzil_DC

(7,255 posts)
6. David Plouffe's take, via Twitter, rebuts the OP headline:
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:38 AM
Nov 2013
David Plouffe ?@davidplouffe 13h

Never any - any - consideration of VP/HRC switch. Not even entertained by the only person who mattered. Or most of us. Back to Halloween.

Denzil_DC

(7,255 posts)
12. Well, I'm sure some would respond, "He would say that ..."!
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:58 AM
Nov 2013

But Clinton was exhausted and not in great health during that period anyway, so I'm not even sure she'd have been up to it or up for it even if any focus group findings had been more favorable.

That's the problem with these sorts of books, especially when the likes of Halperin are involved ...

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
15. Mark Halperin. Hmm ...
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 09:08 AM
Nov 2013
In December 2011, Halperin was listed as #1 in Salon.com's 2011 Hack List, his reporting described as "shallow and predictable" as well as "both fixated solely on the horse race and also uniquely bad at analyzing the horse race."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Halperin#Criticism


-Laelth

BumRushDaShow

(129,376 posts)
16. Halperin on Mourning Schmoe and McLame on any Sunday news show
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 09:35 AM
Nov 2013

are like old photos on the wall of a dive bar that leave behind stains when removed.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
17. Apparently Biden is not Right wing enough
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:39 AM
Nov 2013

for the Right of Center people Obama has surrounded himself with.

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