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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:47 AM Nov 2013

One of my daughters said that in 4th grade, her textbook said

that Republicans are for freedom, and Democrats think the government should control them.

I wish she'd told me that in 4th grade. We were on our way home from something and she saw a political sign and asked why Republicans are for freedom but Democrats aren't. And I said, "WHAT???????" So she told me that's what her 4th grade textbook said.

This kind of stuff makes me feel like I should homeschool. Yeah Republicans are for the freedom of not paying taxes even if that causes people to die of starvation and of treatable medical problems. But they aren't for us to have the freedom to completely own our own bodies. They aren't for the freedom of people to marry the person they love. I can think of plenty of freedoms they are opposed to.

She read that two years ago and it stuck with her that well and that long. That is the power of owning the textbook market.

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One of my daughters said that in 4th grade, her textbook said (Original Post) gollygee Nov 2013 OP
Did you check and actually read this in her book? Mika Nov 2013 #1
This was two years ago gollygee Nov 2013 #2
Did you read this yourself? Mika Nov 2013 #3
I'd bet she got it from the teacher notadmblnd Nov 2013 #4
She said it's this one gollygee Nov 2013 #13
Here are the books lessons. Can she tell you which lesson she learned that from? notadmblnd Nov 2013 #22
Any clues that might identify the book better? JHB Nov 2013 #5
Yes she said the teacher followed up the lesson gollygee Nov 2013 #6
Doesn't it seem more likely that she's misremembering? NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #8
While I haven't taught in every state, LWolf Nov 2013 #7
It was about citizenship gollygee Nov 2013 #14
Hmm it's some TCI one gollygee Nov 2013 #19
Nothing wrong with teaching about citizenship; LWolf Nov 2013 #21
that's fucked up and if I were you gopiscrap Nov 2013 #9
uh, how about making sure that the textbook actually said anything of the sort? cali Nov 2013 #12
I am assuming this DU'er took the time to actually see what was in her daughters textbook gopiscrap Nov 2013 #16
The teacher may have said this, kiva Nov 2013 #10
I don't buy it for a second. sorry. cali Nov 2013 #11
I'm glad your daughter told you that so you can refute it. alfie Nov 2013 #15
I am betting her teacher interpreted "what the textbook said" for her. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #17
Agree with the comments the teacher probably conveyed that. DirkGently Nov 2013 #18
Freedom to a Republican means living above the law. Baitball Blogger Nov 2013 #20
 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
1. Did you check and actually read this in her book?
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:49 AM
Nov 2013

I'd like to know the actual full quote. Thanks.


gollygee

(22,336 posts)
2. This was two years ago
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:51 AM
Nov 2013

so I don't know if it was a complete quote or what she took from the lesson the textbook was teaching, but it's pretty scary to me regardless. She held onto that from a textbook she read two years ago. And she's been raised in a family of liberal Democrats, but she held onto that anyway.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
3. Did you read this yourself?
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:53 AM
Nov 2013

Just wanted a 2nd hand version, not a 3rd hand from a 4th grader. Thanks.


notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
4. I'd bet she got it from the teacher
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:55 AM
Nov 2013

When they were going over the lesson. Either way, it wouldn't be too hard to get your hands on the textbook and check. Know any 4th graders?

JHB

(37,161 posts)
5. Any clues that might identify the book better?
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:58 AM
Nov 2013

Can she remember a phrase (not necessarily that one)? Do you remember what the cover looked like? It could help on a search for the book.

My wild-ass guess is that the book didn't actually say that, but it may be the impression she got (possibly with the "help" of an editorializing teacher).

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
6. Yes she said the teacher followed up the lesson
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:03 AM
Nov 2013

with some comment about Republicans giving power to the people.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
8. Doesn't it seem more likely that she's misremembering?
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:06 AM
Nov 2013

And that the teacher (shame on them) made it seem so true that your daughter remembers it as being in the book?

Our memories work that way, and teachers to a fourth grader are bastions of knowledge and accuracy.

This one should be fired.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
7. While I haven't taught in every state,
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:06 AM
Nov 2013

or seen every text book used, of course, I have taught in more than one, over a span of decades; one state being California, which is big enough to drive text book company offerings.

I've never seen a textbook for 4th graders that addressed political parties in any way. I've never seen a set of state content standards for 4th grade that mentioned political parties anywhere.

Not that I haven't seen some ridiculous stuff in text books. Nothing like that, though.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
21. Nothing wrong with teaching about citizenship;
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:22 AM
Nov 2013

that's a normal part of most curriculum at 2nd/3rd grade ("Our Community," expanding into state-wide material in 4th.)

I guess it's all about how citizenship is addressed; that link doesn't give access to actual text.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
9. that's fucked up and if I were you
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:10 AM
Nov 2013

I would get the Democratic Party of your state to sue for that book to be oou the window. The problem is that almost all text books are published in Texas.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
16. I am assuming this DU'er took the time to actually see what was in her daughters textbook
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:14 AM
Nov 2013

my suggestion was for if that was actual fact.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
10. The teacher may have said this,
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:10 AM
Nov 2013

but it's very unlikely the textbook said anything like this...she may be remembering the general impression she took away from the class.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. I don't buy it for a second. sorry.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:11 AM
Nov 2013

I'm not accusing your daughter of lying. she picked that up somewhere, I just don't buy that it was in her 4th grade history book.

In any case, it shouldn't be hard for you to find out for sure. Just find out the name of the textbook that was used from the school.

alfie

(522 posts)
15. I'm glad your daughter told you that so you can refute it.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:13 AM
Nov 2013

Regardless of why she came away with that understanding, that was conveyed to her in some way and needs to be debunked.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
17. I am betting her teacher interpreted "what the textbook said" for her.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:16 AM
Nov 2013

I would look up the teacher's website (if the school is online, which most are) and see if she has the book listed. Most teachers do.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
18. Agree with the comments the teacher probably conveyed that.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:16 AM
Nov 2013

I had a History teacher in 8th grade who informed us, apropos of nothing in the text, that Halloween was devil worship.

I was beyond being influenced by such nuttery at that point, but my parents and I had a good laugh at her out-of-nowhere attempt to make crazy talk part of the lesson.

No idea how the other students took it, though.
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