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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 12:46 PM Nov 2013

The ACA Is Getting The Hell Beat Out Of It In The Press

It's as if they are rooting for it to fail. I don't know what the solution is how it will turn out but there is no going back now.

Lots of nations have the individual mandate system and it seems to work fine.

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The ACA Is Getting The Hell Beat Out Of It In The Press (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 OP
It's a concerted effort. It's their way of telling us not to vote for another Black person BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #1
I think it's the latter... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 #5
Yes everyone thinks Single Payer would have been better.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #8
Yes everyone thinks Single Payer would have been better.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #9
It took Canada thirty years to implement single-payer, and they have a far smaller BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #15
If single payer health care becomes a reality, there are a lot of Big Insurance companies Skidmore Nov 2013 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #2
"Lots of nations have the individual mandate system and it seems to work fine." NoOneMan Nov 2013 #3
Other countries have a universal health care system not based on for profit Insurance corporations quinnox Nov 2013 #4
I was just perusing the net. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 #6
Find me the other nation that mandates the purchase of for profit insurace products Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #17
If only the United States didn't have the Confederates holding us back! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #11
Holland has the same combination as the PPACA; a mix of for-profit and gov't. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #16
I think curiosity will kill, not the cat this time, but the media madness... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #7
Do you remember the really big thing in the press on August 2nd? grantcart Nov 2013 #10
Sadly, even when it's working fine! Glitterati Nov 2013 #12
The media needed a plot twist and new adventure. gulliver Nov 2013 #13
Well said, gulliver. nt narnian60 Nov 2013 #14
Use THIS alternative instead: JaneyVee Nov 2013 #18
medicare is a single payer system. madrchsod Nov 2013 #20

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
1. It's a concerted effort. It's their way of telling us not to vote for another Black person
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 12:56 PM
Nov 2013

for president again (because they cain't get nuthin' good done), and to boost the narrative that "Big Gov't isn't the solution but the problem".

Corporate America have few fears, but one big one is the Federal Gov't itself. It is the only entity with the unlimited resources and power to curb their greed and even take them down piece by piece.

Because despite the money most Democrats get to run for office from these corporations, the two Parties are still very different. The sums that the Democratic Party receives from Corporate America pale in comparison to the money Republicans get. Democrats do have a Party platform Corporate America does not like: Democrats fight for policies that benefit the majority of American people - from the poorest to the wealthiest - as opposed to the policies of the AlwaysWrongRight that fight for and benefit exclusively Corporate America.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
5. I think it's the latter...
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:00 PM
Nov 2013

"and to boost the narrative that "Big Gov't isn't the solution but the problem".

IMHO single payer would have worked better.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
8. Yes everyone thinks Single Payer would have been better....
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:05 PM
Nov 2013

but it wouldn't have passed...The Govt shutdown proves that once and for all...

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
9. Yes everyone thinks Single Payer would have been better....
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:05 PM
Nov 2013

but it wouldn't have passed...The Govt shutdown proves that once and for all...

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
15. It took Canada thirty years to implement single-payer, and they have a far smaller
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:25 PM
Nov 2013

population than we do (35 million as opposed to 350 million). http://www.civilization.ca/cmc/exhibitions/hist/medicare/medic01e.shtml

Were we ready to wait a minimum of thirty years for health care coverage for all Americans in this country?

But yes, single-payer IS the better choice although we can't deny that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

And I believe it's a combination of the two: framing the narrative and subtly confirming that a Black president isn't good for the country (for the racists) and "Big Gov't isn't the solution but the problem" narrative for the Corporatists. Either way, it's vitally important for Corporate America to keep the well-oiled propaganda alive of both in order to keep their poor supporters and wealthy supporters on their side and against the Democratic Party. Just my opinion.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
19. If single payer health care becomes a reality, there are a lot of Big Insurance companies
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:50 PM
Nov 2013

which would bite the dust. That's a lot of money and advertising dollars. These companies are trying to sabatoge ACA and if anyone claiming to be on the left or identifies as a Dem helps them out rather than contributing to improving the law, then they are not one bit different than the most craven Teabagger to me.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
3. "Lots of nations have the individual mandate system and it seems to work fine."
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 12:58 PM
Nov 2013

If the US were taking into account what other nations were doing, maybe skipping the hundreds of separate, tiered, for profit pools with deductibles and copays thing would of been a good idea

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
4. Other countries have a universal health care system not based on for profit Insurance corporations
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 12:58 PM
Nov 2013

If only the United States was civilized enough to follow their lead!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
6. I was just perusing the net.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:02 PM
Nov 2013

There are other nations that have private insurance corporations and a individual mandate that ensures everybody is covered and they seem to be working.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
17. Find me the other nation that mandates the purchase of for profit insurace products
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:36 PM
Nov 2013

without any not for profit or public option. 'Private' is not the same as 'making bank off your illness'.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
11. If only the United States didn't have the Confederates holding us back!
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:07 PM
Nov 2013

there is the "uncivilized problem".

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
16. Holland has the same combination as the PPACA; a mix of for-profit and gov't.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:27 PM
Nov 2013

I've lived in The Netherlands for over sixteen years and liked their health care system.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
7. I think curiosity will kill, not the cat this time, but the media madness...
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:04 PM
Nov 2013

I think people will want to see for themselves. People are desperate, and desperate people don't let the media make their decisions for them.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
10. Do you remember the really big thing in the press on August 2nd?
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:05 PM
Nov 2013

Big story. 22 embassies closed.

Now nothing.

When the ACA is getting 50,000 signups a day all of this will be forgotten.
 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
12. Sadly, even when it's working fine!
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:08 PM
Nov 2013

I signed up yesterday. Got everything done on the site in less than 20 minutes, verification and everything, was enrolled in no time flat.

Now, all I have to do is figure out which one of the plans my doctors are in network on.

All of the Humana sites are crashing when I try to do a Doctor lookup on them, but that's on Humana, not ACA.


gulliver

(13,186 posts)
13. The media needed a plot twist and new adventure.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:09 PM
Nov 2013

The news-tainment industry has a general problem. They have bills to pay, so the rule for news is that something incredibly interesting must be going on all the time. Plus, a web site not working is something absolutely anyone can understand and see for themselves.

There is also the "unknown percentage" of people who were "lied to" about being able to keep their plans. That number is going to turn out to be a pittance. And from that number, the few who don't end up happier will be a pittance of a pittance.

But for right now, the media symphony orchestra needs material, so it will just play whatever music is available to play. Right now, it's Three Blind Mice, but it is being played with the same gusto they use for the Ninth.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
20. medicare is a single payer system.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 02:36 PM
Nov 2013

my employers and i HAD to pay into the system.

best medical delivery system in the usa.

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