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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 05:36 PM Nov 2013

Leaked Climate Change Report Predicts Violent, Poorer, Sicker Future

WASHINGTON -- A leaked draft of an international scientific report forecasts that man-made global warming likely will worsen already existing human tragedies of war, starvation, poverty, flooding, extreme weather and disease.

(MORE: Landmark Climate Change Report Released)

The Nobel Peace Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change will issue a report next March on how global warming is already affecting the way people live and what will happen in the future, including a worldwide drop in income. A leaked copy of a draft of the report's summary appeared online Friday. Governments will spend the next few months making comments about the draft.

http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/leaked-climate-change-report-predicts-violent-poorer-sicker-future-20131102

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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
3. The economy is powered by fossil fuels
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 05:52 PM
Nov 2013

What we have now is the end product of a couple hundred years starting with the age of iron and coal and progressing to the burning of oil and gas. Whatever standard of living people have now is powered by fossil fuels, which provide the great majority of the 400 quadrillion BTUs of energy used globally each year.

Constraining fossil fuel use will result in a significant decline in GDP per capita if it is done rapidly enough to significantly reduce global warming.

Here is US energy sources and uses. Note that solar, hydro, wind, geothermal, and biomass are pretty small.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
6. Most of the world doesn't use much hydrocarbon.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 06:06 PM
Nov 2013

Those that do, corporations and the populations of some industrialized states, use far more than they need. Much of the economy produces things that really are useless or even harmful. Also, an increasing amoung of the world's wealth is being concentrated into fewer and fewer people. I consider that to be completely unnecessary production.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
7. The rest of the world uses over 80% of crude oil.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 06:15 PM
Nov 2013

The US uses a little under 20% for its 5% of world population. The consumption per capita is lower in almost all other countries, which means that the smaller amount per capita that they use is for more vital and less wasteful purposes than in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_energy_consumption_per_capita

Admittedly, some of the lowest energy per capita countries use a lot of biomass. But that is denuding their countries of forests and is doing the carbon balance and climate no good.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
8. I'm talking about humans, not states.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 06:38 PM
Nov 2013

I made that pretty clear.

The average human being doesn't use much even if there is a big (usually foreign) factory in his or her area. The average person is a farmer and lives at a low technology level. Also, you are skewing the figures by not looking at the immense amount of coal the USA uses.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
9. Over half of the world's population lives in urban areas.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 06:47 PM
Nov 2013

Urban populations exceeded rural ones in about 2008.

China is the world's largest producer and consumer of coal, accounting for a little less than half the world's production. 3844 million short tones out of world production of 8440 million short tons.

US was in second place consuming 1003 million short tons.

http://www.eia.gov/countries/

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
11. So the usage of coal is worse than I thought.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 07:00 PM
Nov 2013

When you say "half the world," is that by population or state (country)? I notice, for instance that all of Australia and the USA is green, while most of their population is on the coasts.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
10. Well the Germans don't seem to be having a problem in damaging their economy in switching over
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 06:56 PM
Nov 2013

to renewables.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Germany

Germany's renewable energy sector is among the most innovative and successful worldwide. The share of electricity produced from renewable energy in Germany has increased from 6.3 percent of the national total in 2000 to about 25 percent in the first half of 2012.[1][2] In 2011 20.5% (123.5 TWh) of Germany's electricity supply (603 TWh) was produced from renewable energy sources, more than the 2010 contribution of gas-fired power plants.[3][4]

Siemens chief executive, Peter Löscher believes that Germany’s target of generating 35 per cent of its electricity from renewables by 2020 is achievable – and, most probably, profitable for Europe’s largest engineering company. Nordex, Repower, Fuhrländer and Enercon are wind power companies based in Germany. Solon SE, Q-Cells and Conergy are solar power companies based in Germany, which had held an important share of the world market, but have all had to file for insolvency due to Chinese competition and major cuts in guaranteed feed-in tariffs (Solon: 11/2011, Q-Cells: 4/2012, Conergy: 7/2013). Every third solar panel and every second wind rotor is made in Germany, and German turbines and generators used in hydro energy generation are among the most popular worldwide.[5] In 2010, investments totaling 26 billion euros were made in Germany’s renewable energies sector.

According to official figures, some 370,000 people in Germany were employed in the renewable energy sector in 2010, especially in small and medium sized companies. This is an increase of around 8 percent compared to 2009 (around 339,500 jobs), and well over twice the number of jobs in 2004 (160,500). About two-thirds of these jobs are attributed to the Renewable Energy Sources Act[6][7] Germany has been called "the world's first major renewable energy economy".[8]





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_economy

Germany is the largest national economy in Europe, the fourth-largest by nominal GDP in the world, and fifth by GDP (PPP) in 2008.[15] Since the age of industrialisation and beyond, the industrial capitalism,[16][17] the country has been a driver, innovator, and beneficiary of an ever more globalised economy. Germany is the world's third largest exporter with $1.408 trillion exported in 2011 (Eurozone countries are included).[18][dated info] Exports account for more than one-third of national output.[19][dated info]

Germany is relatively poor in raw materials. Only lignite and potash salt are available in economically significant quantities. Power plants burning lignite are one of the main sources of electricity in Germany. Oil, natural gas and other resources are, for the most part, imported from other countries. Germany imports about two thirds of its energy

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The nominal GDP of Germany contracted in the second and third quarters of 2008, putting the country in a technical recession following a global and European recession cycle.[54] German industrial output dropped to 3.6% in September vis-a-vis August.[55][56] In January 2009 the German government under Angela Merkel approved a €50 billion ($70 billion) economic stimulus plan to protect several sectors from a downturn and a subsequent rise in unemployment rates.[57] Germany exited the recession in the second and third quarters of 2009, mostly due to rebounding manufacturing orders and exports - primarily from outside the Euro Zone - and relatively steady consumer demand.[53]

Germany is a founding member of the EU, the G8 and the G20, and was the world's largest exporter from 2003 to 2008. In 2011 it remained the third largest exporter[18] and third largest importer.[29] Most of the country's exports are in engineering, especially machinery, automobiles, chemical goods and metals.[20] Germany is a leading producer of wind turbines and solar-power technology.[58] Annual trade fairs and congresses are held in cities throughout Germany.[59] 2011 was a record-breaking year for the German economy. German companies exported goods worth over €1 trillion ($1.3 trillion), the highest figure in history. The number of people in work has risen to 41.6 million, the highest recorded figure.[60]

Through 2012, Germany's economy continued to be stronger relative to local neighboring nations.[61]





 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
4. Depends on if we keep the old definition of wealth going strong
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 06:00 PM
Nov 2013

Any dramatic limiting should probably be paired with a paradigm shift in how we see civilization

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
5. We could eliminate most cars, airplanes, heating, AC, lighting, etc.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 06:04 PM
Nov 2013

And devote the remaining energy to rail, buses, communal baths, communal cooking, and the production and distribution of unprocessed food.

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