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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe 'pugs are waging war on the poor....will our party finally fight FOR the poor?
For three decades, the message has been "Ditch the poor. We can't EVER defend them....we can't ever propose the kinds of real change(like jobs programs and letting two-parent families get public assistance, so that those families could stay together)that would actually break the cycle of poverty. The most we can do is make things slightly less bad behind the scenes, when nobody's looking."
Any chance our pros will finally get it that one of the reasons this party exists is to stand up for everybody the 'pugs attack...and then work like hell to get all of those groups to the polls?
We need to be doing voter registration AND i.d. parties in every poor neighborhood in the country.
We need to offer the poor something OTHER than endless lectures and sanctimony. We need to LISTEN to them when they tell us what they need to get out of poverty.
We need to challenge those who want to make sure a large and growing number of people STAY poor in order to discipline the people who are still able to hold onto their jobs into not asking for much.
There is not just a class war, but an economic civil war, with the aggressor in the conflict trying to create a permanent underclass that will be forced to travel constantly across the country looking for any work they can get, without ever being able to vote or have any power to change their conditions. Our party can only truly flourish if we fight back FOR the poor, defend them as human beings, defend their right to be treated with dignity and respect, defend the idea that they are just as much of value as everyone else, and that it is good for the whole of the country for poverty to finally be brought to an end.
We cannot prosper as a party on a long-term basis by appeasing the bigotry of those who hate the poor and deny their humanity. No one who does has any progressive or humane values, and few of those who do would ever vote for anything but the most reactionary people and parties on the ballot anyway.
If we fight that fight, we can take the future. If not, we're headed for the ashheap of history.
Any chance our "insiders" will ever get that?
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)Warpy
(111,274 posts)Get it through your thick skulls, people, we're all poor these days when policy is being decided by billionaires.
They're waging war against everybody who isn't a billionaire and that means you and me.
When Krugman writes a column about the Republicans and much of the government waging a war against working people, wake me up.
That's what's going on here and the billionaires are winning.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)that the "old poor" and the "new poor" most of the rest of us)are fighting the same battle. That there's no longer anything to be gained for anybody who isn't rich(and let's face it, if you aren't rich now, try as you might you almost certainly never will be)in seeing themselves as "above" the poor and entitled to lecture them and treat them as an enemy to be beaten back with a stick.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)considered poor.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Moderates, otoh, are ripe for the picking. We have recently seen that there are, even on DU, way too many moderates who would sell their own people to the piglicans just so they can remain snug.
I call for an all out attack on the moderates who would vote for a Reagan or Bush again!
msongs
(67,417 posts)Bigmack
(8,020 posts)... in our area.
You should see the comments.... like a Social Darwinist had a love... I mean hate... child with Ayn Rand. And then that child learned at the feet of Mitt Romney and Rand Paul.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)which part of "our party". Every day almost you read about a Republican that is switching parties. These switchers bring with them their low-life conservative ideologies. This part of "our party" wont support the poor. With the decline of the Republican Party, there has been a migration of Republicans, along with their ideologies, polluting the Democratic Party.
So for sure the Conserva-Dems wont be interested in helping the poor.
Now we need to look at the DEmocratic Party machine along with the Corp-Democratic Congress-peoples. These are bought and paid for by Wall Street and Big Corps. They wont help the poor.
So to answer your question, there is a good portion of the Democratic Party that will not support the poor.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...than in the previous 10.
The Democratic spokesman on Meet-the-Press (Deval Patrick) called the uninsured "Free Riders" this morning.
Mitt Romney called the uninsured "Free Loaders".
SEE!
The Two Parties are NOT the same.
KG
(28,751 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)oversight of corporate activity.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)Some will. Others are bought and paid for.
Chaco Dundee
(334 posts)Until people unite and represent them selfs,there will be all colors of representatives who sympathize with your cause or conviction at best.you enable them to rob you blind while they care about nothing more,than the highway robbery they are so proficient at
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)it just that very little can get passed now under this extremist GOP in Congress. For instance, the Jobs Bill from 2011 was blocked by Boehner and his gang. We have people in the party like Elizabeth Warren, Barbara Lee, and Grayson who have all been fighting in the interests of the working class. Obama and Biden have stayed on their game. Even the Blue Dogs have voted with us about 70% of the time, at worst. If we want to see some upward mobility, it's important that we get the red out and go back to how things were prior to 2010, when we had many more bills getting passed.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)I was talking about the bulk of the message our party's leaders choose to send.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)We need to be able to get through to them, like the poor and the New Left intellectuals(at least to a degree)got through to Bobby Kennedy.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)The Republicans are obstructing economic stimuli that will enhance Obama's recovery.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Even a recovering economic royalist like JFK got that before he was killed.
Look at how little good Reagan's "recovery" did for the poor and the working class back in the Eighties.
Statistical economic growth isn't everything.
And the days when Democrats gain by distancing ourselves from the poor are over. Most working-class and middle-class people AREN'T poorbashers anymore. They get it now that the rich aren't on their side.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)...was the day John Edwards withdrew from Campaign 2008.
John Edwards, warts and all, did more to spotlight the plight of the poor in America with his Two Americas Campaign than anyone else in the Party leadership for a long time.
For that, I thank him.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)refused to do so, and settled for crumbs instead. Nobody progressives backed in the 2008 presidential primaries other than Dennis and possibly Edwards was worthy of their support.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Now that I am a gerrymandered voter due to their lack of fight and conviction, I am dedicated to protest and movement as the only chance the people will be represented in legislation going forward. We are in a dark period of American history and the decisions we take now will have historic implications. If we never stood up and said stop the corporatization of America, then the final script has been written.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)It's an issue few have the guts to take on.
The poor don't have money for $5,000 a plate dinners, and they don't have email addresses to spam asking for donations.