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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 07:25 PM Nov 2013

The 'pugs are waging war on the poor....will our party finally fight FOR the poor?

For three decades, the message has been "Ditch the poor. We can't EVER defend them....we can't ever propose the kinds of real change(like jobs programs and letting two-parent families get public assistance, so that those families could stay together)that would actually break the cycle of poverty. The most we can do is make things slightly less bad behind the scenes, when nobody's looking."

Any chance our pros will finally get it that one of the reasons this party exists is to stand up for everybody the 'pugs attack...and then work like hell to get all of those groups to the polls?

We need to be doing voter registration AND i.d. parties in every poor neighborhood in the country.

We need to offer the poor something OTHER than endless lectures and sanctimony. We need to LISTEN to them when they tell us what they need to get out of poverty.

We need to challenge those who want to make sure a large and growing number of people STAY poor in order to discipline the people who are still able to hold onto their jobs into not asking for much.

There is not just a class war, but an economic civil war, with the aggressor in the conflict trying to create a permanent underclass that will be forced to travel constantly across the country looking for any work they can get, without ever being able to vote or have any power to change their conditions. Our party can only truly flourish if we fight back FOR the poor, defend them as human beings, defend their right to be treated with dignity and respect, defend the idea that they are just as much of value as everyone else, and that it is good for the whole of the country for poverty to finally be brought to an end.

We cannot prosper as a party on a long-term basis by appeasing the bigotry of those who hate the poor and deny their humanity. No one who does has any progressive or humane values, and few of those who do would ever vote for anything but the most reactionary people and parties on the ballot anyway.

If we fight that fight, we can take the future. If not, we're headed for the ashheap of history.



Any chance our "insiders" will ever get that?

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The 'pugs are waging war on the poor....will our party finally fight FOR the poor? (Original Post) Ken Burch Nov 2013 OP
God, I hope so gopiscrap Nov 2013 #1
The problem is that designation, "the poor." Warpy Nov 2013 #2
Then we need to get our elected Dems making the case Ken Burch Nov 2013 #18
Exactly. When there is a division of wealth like we have now the top brackets only can aviod being jwirr Nov 2013 #23
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #3
Pugs are a lost cause RobertEarl Nov 2013 #4
if the poor would sell weapons they would get tons of government help nt msongs Nov 2013 #5
The local paper had an opinion piece about how there are more poor now... Bigmack Nov 2013 #6
Assholes like that almost make me wish for anarchy. Why? So I could murder them and get away with it nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #26
"Our party" is owned and operated by the 1% just like the Republican party. Skeeter Barnes Nov 2013 #7
When you ask, "will our party finally fight FOR the poor?" We first must establish rhett o rick Nov 2013 #8
I have heard more Blame/Bash-the-Poor at DU in the last year, bvar22 Nov 2013 #21
nothing done of substance since the 80's, no indication of any 'change' going forward KG Nov 2013 #9
.... 840high Nov 2013 #10
We've ditched the environment along with the poor and any meaningful JEB Nov 2013 #11
The Dems are still trying to convince Wall Street that talking about the middle class isn't "commie" Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #12
No. Faygo Kid Nov 2013 #13
not in our lifetime. Chaco Dundee Nov 2013 #14
Democrats have been fighting for the poor; Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #15
Obviously there are people like those you mentioned...and they are heroes. Ken Burch Nov 2013 #17
We need more Sanderses and Warrens. Period. Without that we got nothin'. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #27
We also need to be able to make our other pols BECOME Sanderses & Warrens. Ken Burch Nov 2013 #29
You'd think a "Community Organizer" might wake up to reality, but Wall Street calls the shots in DC. blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #16
The real fight is over recovery or no recovery, and the politics of Obama succeeding. Coyotl Nov 2013 #19
It's not JUST about the recovery and a rising tide DOESN'T lift all boats. Ken Burch Nov 2013 #31
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #20
unfortunately, I don't think so etherealtruth Nov 2013 #22
The last time The Poor were mentioned as an ISSUE for the Democratic Party.... bvar22 Nov 2013 #24
Dennis talked about them too, but the people who SHOULD have backed him in '08 Ken Burch Nov 2013 #30
I currently see no evidence beyond a few elected liberals that they will. mmonk Nov 2013 #25
Hell, the poor are attacked on this website! ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #28

Warpy

(111,274 posts)
2. The problem is that designation, "the poor."
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 07:31 PM
Nov 2013

Get it through your thick skulls, people, we're all poor these days when policy is being decided by billionaires.

They're waging war against everybody who isn't a billionaire and that means you and me.

When Krugman writes a column about the Republicans and much of the government waging a war against working people, wake me up.

That's what's going on here and the billionaires are winning.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
18. Then we need to get our elected Dems making the case
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 05:59 PM
Nov 2013

that the "old poor" and the "new poor&quot most of the rest of us)are fighting the same battle. That there's no longer anything to be gained for anybody who isn't rich(and let's face it, if you aren't rich now, try as you might you almost certainly never will be)in seeing themselves as "above" the poor and entitled to lecture them and treat them as an enemy to be beaten back with a stick.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
23. Exactly. When there is a division of wealth like we have now the top brackets only can aviod being
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:57 PM
Nov 2013

considered poor.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
4. Pugs are a lost cause
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 07:44 PM
Nov 2013

Moderates, otoh, are ripe for the picking. We have recently seen that there are, even on DU, way too many moderates who would sell their own people to the piglicans just so they can remain snug.

I call for an all out attack on the moderates who would vote for a Reagan or Bush again!

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
6. The local paper had an opinion piece about how there are more poor now...
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 08:17 PM
Nov 2013

... in our area.

You should see the comments.... like a Social Darwinist had a love... I mean hate... child with Ayn Rand. And then that child learned at the feet of Mitt Romney and Rand Paul.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
8. When you ask, "will our party finally fight FOR the poor?" We first must establish
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 08:29 PM
Nov 2013

which part of "our party". Every day almost you read about a Republican that is switching parties. These switchers bring with them their low-life conservative ideologies. This part of "our party" wont support the poor. With the decline of the Republican Party, there has been a migration of Republicans, along with their ideologies, polluting the Democratic Party.

So for sure the Conserva-Dems wont be interested in helping the poor.

Now we need to look at the DEmocratic Party machine along with the Corp-Democratic Congress-peoples. These are bought and paid for by Wall Street and Big Corps. They wont help the poor.

So to answer your question, there is a good portion of the Democratic Party that will not support the poor.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
21. I have heard more Blame/Bash-the-Poor at DU in the last year,
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:51 PM
Nov 2013

...than in the previous 10.


The Democratic spokesman on Meet-the-Press (Deval Patrick) called the uninsured "Free Riders" this morning.
Mitt Romney called the uninsured "Free Loaders".

SEE!
The Two Parties are NOT the same.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
11. We've ditched the environment along with the poor and any meaningful
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:33 PM
Nov 2013

oversight of corporate activity.

Chaco Dundee

(334 posts)
14. not in our lifetime.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:59 PM
Nov 2013

Until people unite and represent them selfs,there will be all colors of representatives who sympathize with your cause or conviction at best.you enable them to rob you blind while they care about nothing more,than the highway robbery they are so proficient at

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
15. Democrats have been fighting for the poor;
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:10 PM
Nov 2013

it just that very little can get passed now under this extremist GOP in Congress. For instance, the Jobs Bill from 2011 was blocked by Boehner and his gang. We have people in the party like Elizabeth Warren, Barbara Lee, and Grayson who have all been fighting in the interests of the working class. Obama and Biden have stayed on their game. Even the Blue Dogs have voted with us about 70% of the time, at worst. If we want to see some upward mobility, it's important that we get the red out and go back to how things were prior to 2010, when we had many more bills getting passed.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
17. Obviously there are people like those you mentioned...and they are heroes.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 05:55 PM
Nov 2013

I was talking about the bulk of the message our party's leaders choose to send.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
29. We also need to be able to make our other pols BECOME Sanderses & Warrens.
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 03:27 PM
Nov 2013

We need to be able to get through to them, like the poor and the New Left intellectuals(at least to a degree)got through to Bobby Kennedy.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
19. The real fight is over recovery or no recovery, and the politics of Obama succeeding.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 06:00 PM
Nov 2013

The Republicans are obstructing economic stimuli that will enhance Obama's recovery.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
31. It's not JUST about the recovery and a rising tide DOESN'T lift all boats.
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 03:31 PM
Nov 2013

Even a recovering economic royalist like JFK got that before he was killed.

Look at how little good Reagan's "recovery" did for the poor and the working class back in the Eighties.

Statistical economic growth isn't everything.

And the days when Democrats gain by distancing ourselves from the poor are over. Most working-class and middle-class people AREN'T poorbashers anymore. They get it now that the rich aren't on their side.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
24. The last time The Poor were mentioned as an ISSUE for the Democratic Party....
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 08:00 PM
Nov 2013

...was the day John Edwards withdrew from Campaign 2008.

John Edwards, warts and all, did more to spotlight the plight of the poor in America with his Two Americas Campaign than anyone else in the Party leadership for a long time.
For that, I thank him.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
30. Dennis talked about them too, but the people who SHOULD have backed him in '08
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 03:28 PM
Nov 2013

refused to do so, and settled for crumbs instead. Nobody progressives backed in the 2008 presidential primaries other than Dennis and possibly Edwards was worthy of their support.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
25. I currently see no evidence beyond a few elected liberals that they will.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 08:02 PM
Nov 2013

Now that I am a gerrymandered voter due to their lack of fight and conviction, I am dedicated to protest and movement as the only chance the people will be represented in legislation going forward. We are in a dark period of American history and the decisions we take now will have historic implications. If we never stood up and said stop the corporatization of America, then the final script has been written.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
28. Hell, the poor are attacked on this website!
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 08:22 PM
Nov 2013

It's an issue few have the guts to take on.


The poor don't have money for $5,000 a plate dinners, and they don't have email addresses to spam asking for donations.

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