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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLet's review the facts, shall we?
According to Fox News host Eric Bolling, Sandra Fluke was part of an elaborate White House plan to distract voters from the economy.In order to believe that, you would also have to believe all of this:
The Obama administration talked the GOP into holding hearings on contraception to "prove" that the administration's position was wrong.
When the hearings were scheduled, Obama and the Dems went looking for a woman to testify. They could have chosen some high-profile activist or celebrity to generate public interest in the hearings, but instead, they chose a college student that no one had ever heard of.
Somehow, the Dems talked the GOP into excluding their hand-chosen witness from the hearings ... and also convinced them to only allow religious men to testify.
Then the Dems decided to hold their own hearing to allow the unknown college student to be heard ... but convinced the GOP to ban the cameras which would have allowed the public to actually hear her.
After the transcripts were made public, the Dems called their good friend Rush Limbaugh and not only asked him to lie about what the college student said during her testimony, but to viciously trash the woman for three straight days! They also called all the GOP presidential candidates and asked them to respond in a weak, non-committal way if asked about the Rush's comments. Just for good measure (or perhaps because they didn't want their good buddy Rush to go out on a limb alone), the Dems decided to contact a sitcom actress with known right-wing views and asked her to join Rush in the lying and the trashing of the college student. Naturally, she was happy to do whatever she could to help the cause of liberal Dems.
When women exploded with outrage, the Dems AGAIN called their pal Rush and asked him to give several non-apology apologies and immediately follow them by repeating the lies about the college student's testimony and blaming every Dem in the country for HIS words.
Somehow, the only appropriate response seems to be this Seinfeld quote:
"That is one magic loogie!"
BattyDem
(11,075 posts)I guess that's all part of the White House plan too!
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)...one of the craziest of the crazies!
In other words... he has a long and lucrative career ahead of him at Fox.
As an aside... I recently watched the movie JFK.
Wayne Knight (Newman) was in the "magic bullet" scene in the movie.
I thought that was pretty cool...
BattyDem
(11,075 posts)Thanks for posting the video!
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,446 posts)as their paranoid "birther" fantasies.
Republicans have become the party of extremists and fringe radicals and stand for power above all else, even if it means embracing insanity and destruction. The Democrats stand for fairness, civility, common sense, and sanity. America, the choice is yours............
BattyDem
(11,075 posts)could even THINK of taking their words seriously! It's easy to think it's only stupid, uneducated people falling for this nonsense ... yet I have a few RWers in my family and they believe all this crap! When it comes to every other aspect of their lives, they're sane, intelligent people ... but when it comes to anything political, they're completely unreasonable! You can't get through to them with facts and common sense. They just shut down and repeat RW talking points.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,446 posts)That (and hate radio) might be a huge part of the problem. Fox News and hate radio have created a whole new dystopian "reality" that, if believed, would very easily convince you that President Obama and the Democratic Party and anybody progressive are made of pure unmitigated evil and must be vanquished to "save" the country. Yeah, crazy, I know..........
BattyDem
(11,075 posts)I know that's the problem. You know that's the problem. I've had no luck convincing them.
I no longer bother to try to get them to stop watching/listening to the RW media, but I have tried to get them to watch Ed Schultz once in a while. (I figured they would find it easier to relate to Ed instead of Maddow or Olbermann.) They won't watch because they believe "liberals" like Ed lie to support their agenda. As we all know, that's exactly what the RWers do. I explained that to them and offered to prove it by providing them with mainstream news links that refute the RW stories. Their response?
"You can't believe everything you read on the internet!"
bongbong
(5,436 posts)If they are open to persuasion, ask them if they think any news organization would go to court to argue that they could tell known lies and call them "news". When they say no, just tell them Fox News did just that, winning the case in Florida in 2003.
BattyDem
(11,075 posts)For a brief moment, it seemed like a breakthrough was happening ... and then the reply: "Oh well ... they all do that! Michael Moore and that guy you love (Keith Olbermann) lie and twist things, too!"
I didn't even bother to explain that Moore and Olbermann were not journalists. There was no point. When it comes to politics, they're locked into the typical RW mindset: "It doesn't matter what our side does because your side does it, too!"
bongbong
(5,436 posts)"They all do it" is the only thing repigs can say when oneof their idols is caught.
Ask them which "liberal" media outlet went to the lengths of going to court to "allow" lying.
Asking for specifics from a repig almost ALWAYS gets silence or insults as the answer.
BattyDem
(11,075 posts)They say things like, "Oh, I can't remember the names."
So I say, "Forget about the names. Just tell me the circumstances. I'm sure if I had a few details I can find it through Google."
Their reply: "I can't come up with something off the top of me head ... but they all do it!"
My reply: "Okay, that's fine. I understand that most people don't remember political details as well as I do ... but would you do me a favor? The next time you hear about Dems and/or liberals who have been lying to us, would you please send me an email with the details or a link if you have one? I don't want to be played for a fool. If someone's lying to me, I want to know!"
Still waiting on the email.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,446 posts)it's eerie. The foundation of their beliefs seem unshakable. There is, I believe, a process by which people can "deprogram" cult members. Maybe we need to learn those techniques and use them on right-wingers?
BattyDem
(11,075 posts)You can discuss any other part of their lives and they're intelligent, reasonable people ... but mention politics and they become nuts! I've seen plenty of other posts on DU over the years about "politically crazy" relatives or friends. And it's always the right-wingers. You never see a post about someone's left-wing relative who refuses to acknowledge facts and reality. It's definitely cult-like behavior. Weird ... and sad.
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)and made up the story about the finals (by the way, Sandra is a law student, not a college student), etc.
Sandra is the President of the law school's Students for Reproductive Justice - she is a real person, with real friends, who is a real part of a very interesting struggle at Georgetown Law, which is an incredibly humane place, but which struggles with its Jesuit mandate - a mandate that leads to compassion and a wonderfully community-based attitude toward the Law Center, in general, but that provides a complicated legacy in matters such as birth control - despite the fact that both the student body and the faculty are well to the left, on average, of the political center.
The struggle between Students for Reproductive Justice and the Law Center has been going on since the founding of that group, and probably longer than that - meaning far longer than anyone even knew who Obama was.
This is absurd.
BattyDem
(11,075 posts)They don't know - or care - what she actually said. I'm sure Issa and the GOP knew her testimony was going to be about medical issues, which is why they wouldn't let her testify. It's much easier the dismiss the need for contraception if people think it's about recreational sex and not legitimate medical reasons ... although I believe that taking the pill to prevent pregnancy IS a legitimate medical reason, which is exactly why insurance should pay for it!
By the way ... I meant no disrespect to Ms. Fluke by referring to her as a college student. I know many universities call their law schools a "college of law" (for example, Syracuse University College of Law), so I always thought law school was simply a specialized college. In any case, I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone else. That was certainly not my intention.
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)Goodness, no offense taken at all - just wanted to provide one correction for clarity.
BattyDem
(11,075 posts)Glad I didn't offend you.
VWolf
(3,944 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,446 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)That's their best defense, along with playing the victim if they come up short.
Excuse my french, but fuck 'em. Play with fire, get burned.
BattyDem
(11,075 posts)when they screw up!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and send them out with Hunter S. Thompson on a week-long whiskey/meth debauch and have the field notes transcribed by chimps with typewriters and together they couldn't manage to concoct something this lunatic.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Even though my head goes sideways from much of the stuff on Fox, I can at least follow the breadcrumbs back to the actual story.
This guy is a empty bobble-head who just repeats whatever the interns type for him to say - and it wouldn't surprise me if there was a daily contest on the happy-hour bill on who can get him to spew what made up nonsense they come up with.
GeorgeGist
(25,324 posts)Limpballs tirade was meant to distract voters from the improving economy.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)That is the funniest deconstruction of some righwing wingnut's comment I have seen here at the DU in quite some time.
I couldn't stop laughing at the absurdity that you so eloquently pointed out.
I give this thread 5 popcorns.