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DanM

(341 posts)
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:18 AM Nov 2013

Heads need to roll for ACA still draining Obama's time and political capital!

Why? Because we are being delayed and set back on LGBT rights, immigration reform, pushing back on set-backs to abortion rights and voting access in the states, etc. There are a lot of other things yet to do that will all need a lot of Mr. Obama's time and political capital.

If any of these things suffer for want of the administration's time and political capital that was lost due to clearly avoidable mistakes in ACA roll-out, I'm sure we will all be pi$$ed.

But I'm not calling for heads to roll out of retribution. Rather, it would be a very effective signal to Mr. Obama's administration and I'm sure it would serve to increase their diligence so that he loses little further time or political capital unnecessarily!

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Heads need to roll for ACA still draining Obama's time and political capital! (Original Post) DanM Nov 2013 OP
This is an own-goal jollyreaper2112 Nov 2013 #1
Totally agree. My point is, whatever plan, if your subordinate unnecessarily mangles it . . . DanM Nov 2013 #38
Nonsense scheming daemons Nov 2013 #2
You introduce a matter not questioned and miss the point . . . DanM Nov 2013 #10
Better believe it.... eom Raine1967 Nov 2013 #15
+1 scheming daemons Nov 2013 #16
You'd think they'd come up with a new tactic. Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author ChazII Nov 2013 #3
Actually, Mr. is also correct. Marrah_G Nov 2013 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author ChazII Nov 2013 #7
That's the dog whistle I saw in the op. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #8
Then keep your preference to yourself and quit being the grammar police. jsr Nov 2013 #17
drinking so early? spanone Nov 2013 #4
Mr. President has got this. Ignore the bullshit. lonestarnot Nov 2013 #6
There has been unnecessary and avoidable time and effort President Obama has spent on . . . DanM Nov 2013 #11
Meh, it's not like he's losing fringe or base support on any of this... mostly winger and M$M story uponit7771 Nov 2013 #9
Irrelevant! He's unnecessarily losing *time and effort on other important agenda items*. n/t DanM Nov 2013 #12
un, hopefully he's got a bucket of time allotted for that.. M$M in US ins't informed so it's no .. uponit7771 Nov 2013 #13
Yes, one among many unfair challenges for Pres. Obama . . . DanM Nov 2013 #18
Do tell... Raine1967 Nov 2013 #14
Take your bag of popcorn and your "bag" friends over to Faux News for entertainment. n/t DanM Nov 2013 #19
I like popcorn very much, thank you. Raine1967 Nov 2013 #21
I don't post abuse alerts without fair warning to potential abusers, so here it is . . . DanM Nov 2013 #22
. pintobean Nov 2013 #24
. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #26
You just had to out do me, didn't you pintobean Nov 2013 #29
I tend to do overdo it when I see a Marvin the Martian warning. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #30
You are aware that this is a discussion board Raine1967 Nov 2013 #31
I blame baggers kydo Nov 2013 #20
If you're suggesting his inept subordinates are actually moles, I disagree. n/t DanM Nov 2013 #23
Aaaaand here's the Right-Wing Talking Point Of The Day, folks! Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #28
A'yup! It was bound to happen. Raine1967 Nov 2013 #32
"Prevent time and effort diversions from the rest of Pres. Obama's agenda" is a winger point? . . . DanM Nov 2013 #33
That's the 2nd time in this thread pintobean Nov 2013 #35
You fool no one here. Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #36
+1. Major LOLs. FSogol Nov 2013 #41
Thanks for your concern...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #25
Here's what I think is funny. Nine Nov 2013 #34
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #40
"bagger" - nice pintobean Nov 2013 #43
Wonder if the pizza oven is warming up? FSogol Nov 2013 #45
Concern noted. n/t backscatter712 Nov 2013 #37
Did you really expect a Nationwide plan of this scale and magnitude to roll out without a hitch? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #39
Absolutely not. Did you expect this plan to roll out with every hitch we are seeing? DanM Nov 2013 #42
actually, yes due to the fact that the other side has fought it tooth and nail, every step of the Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #44

jollyreaper2112

(1,941 posts)
1. This is an own-goal
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:21 AM
Nov 2013

Obama chose to make this his centerpiece. He knew the Republicans were out to destroy it. Keep that in mind, make it work anyway.

His flaw was starting from a compromised plan in the first place, the Heritage plan. If they're going to try to skull-fuck you no matter what you do, don't be nice and use a plan they used to like. No, use a plan that will really make them gnash their teeth.

 

DanM

(341 posts)
38. Totally agree. My point is, whatever plan, if your subordinate unnecessarily mangles it . . .
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 01:43 PM
Nov 2013

And takes your time and effort away from moving as fast and far as you otherwise could have on the rest of your agenda, fire them. For love of a full agenda and finite time.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
2. Nonsense
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:23 AM
Nov 2013

This President can walk and chew gum at the same time.

As long as tea baggers control the House.... His "political capital" means nothing.



Ps. Your slip is showing.

 

DanM

(341 posts)
10. You introduce a matter not questioned and miss the point . . .
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:09 AM
Nov 2013

Of course he can walk/chew gum. That is not questioned. The point of the post, to use your vernacular, is that if he is walking less distance and chewing less gum due to subordinates unnecessarily and avoidably causing him to go uphill, into the wind, letting vinegar get into the gum (or whatever results in less gum-chewing), such subordinates need to be fired because there is not a shortage of energetic and capable people around him.

You may be fine with sitting back and watching subordinates allow self-inflicted damaged to very potentially compromise the eventual outcomes of the entire agenda, but many of us are not, sir!

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
27. You'd think they'd come up with a new tactic.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 12:53 PM
Nov 2013

This angle has been done to death, and by those much less obvious about it.

Some must think their cleverness is boundless.

Response to DanM (Original post)

Response to Marrah_G (Reply #5)

 

DanM

(341 posts)
11. There has been unnecessary and avoidable time and effort President Obama has spent on . . .
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:17 AM
Nov 2013

. . . roll-out of ACA. Time and effort that could have already been used on the other agenda items I mentioned. That is not bullshit, and you need to question if your level of concern about potential agenda slippage due to unnecessary and avoidable mistakes by his subordinates should be higher.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
13. un, hopefully he's got a bucket of time allotted for that.. M$M in US ins't informed so it's no ..
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:26 AM
Nov 2013

...surprise on issues like these he'd have to educate them

 

DanM

(341 posts)
18. Yes, one among many unfair challenges for Pres. Obama . . .
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:45 AM
Nov 2013

Point of OP is subordinates who lack diligence and/or energy don't need to be around unintentionally but clearly avoidably pulling backward on agenda achievement . . . they need to be FIRED!

 

DanM

(341 posts)
22. I don't post abuse alerts without fair warning to potential abusers, so here it is . . .
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 12:42 PM
Nov 2013

I would suggest you convey a serious tone of being on topic of this thread. Also, and less optionally, I expressly do not welcome your pursuit of me any further in the manner you have so far.

If you continue to pursue me with images--like the "eating a bag of popcorn" icon--that clearly indicate you don't really care about the topic and are looking simply for entertainment value out of whatever response you are really looking for, and/or also continue focusing on me in that or other non-productive vein, consider it likely that I will consider your messages to me "disruptive . . . or otherwise inappropriate".

In short, stop coming off creepy with the following of me with non-sincere pokes. There's your warning.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
31. You are aware that this is a discussion board
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 01:23 PM
Nov 2013

and the the administrators of this forum supplied the emoticons, correct?

If you would like me to be serious, answer my question -- and specifically, whose heads would you like to see roll?

I'm waiting.

I don't believe I need you to warn me about anything. I've done nothing worthy of your alert threat. One more thing: You, as a new member of the DU community, could try coming off a little less abrasive, Dan.

Raine

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
28. Aaaaand here's the Right-Wing Talking Point Of The Day, folks!
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 12:57 PM
Nov 2013

"Inept subordinates" is just another way to attack Mr. Obama's judgment.

It's why the Republicans are attacking Sebelius.




Tick, tock.

 

DanM

(341 posts)
33. "Prevent time and effort diversions from the rest of Pres. Obama's agenda" is a winger point? . . .
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 01:34 PM
Nov 2013

You are either really screwed up . . . or desperate to deflect the point, my friend with tea-flavored breath.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
35. That's the 2nd time in this thread
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 01:41 PM
Nov 2013

that you've suggested that long time DUers are teabaggers. They're not the ones siding with republicans, here. Are there any Democrats calling for heads to roll? Will heads rolling make the pugs/press back off? They'll just see it as blood in the water.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
36. You fool no one here.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 01:42 PM
Nov 2013

Do you actually think this tired schtick is working?

It has failed many times before, done by those much more subtle at it than you.

In the end, they all get the same reward, free pizza.

Nine

(1,741 posts)
34. Here's what I think is funny.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 01:35 PM
Nov 2013

You came on here with a story about how ACA is hurting you. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023959538

Lots of people in that thread tried to help you. But you refused to give any specific details, claiming that you only posted for "catharsis" and that you already had friends trying to help you and there was just no hope. And the posters who were willing to help you were then subjected to lectures about how we need to be nicer to people who post their ACA sob stories even when they fail to provide the least bit of relevant detail.

Now here you are with a new spin on how the ACA is bad. It's all very interesting.

Response to Nine (Reply #34)

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
39. Did you really expect a Nationwide plan of this scale and magnitude to roll out without a hitch?
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 01:45 PM
Nov 2013

Really now.

 

DanM

(341 posts)
42. Absolutely not. Did you expect this plan to roll out with every hitch we are seeing?
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 01:53 PM
Nov 2013

Please be fair and answer my question, as I answered yours, and we can further discuss.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
44. actually, yes due to the fact that the other side has fought it tooth and nail, every step of the
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 01:56 PM
Nov 2013

way. Big money is highly upset with all this. Some CEOs are getting their toes stepped on and they don't like it, not one bit.

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