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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:12 PM Nov 2013

My special unique students through the years would not have survived this test-crazed reform.

A retired teacher remembers the "special" kids. I get a little sentimental when I think about the years I taught before the "reforms" began under the Bush family. They are continuing under Obama's appointee, Arne Duncan.

These students may not have been in a special education program, they may not have had any "label" at all. For years there were no such programs or referrals. But they were special in their own way.

I wonder how they would fare now with all the one-size-fits-all testing. After all there are few exceptions, in some areas no exceptions, for students like them when it comes to the endless testing now in place.

I remember most of us teaching way back then did the best we could to provide them with needed help and assistance.

I often look at a lovely green and white vase on one of my shelves with a pointed matching lid...and I think of the mother who lovingly made it for me by hand. She was a lovely lady who had her hands full. Her husband was a Vietnam veteran with serious emotional problems. Her boys were among the best-behaved, most polite, I ever taught.

However they could not read a single word by 2nd grade. Not a word. They were whizzes in math, they could do the most complicated word problems once the examples were read to them. They did science experiments for the class that were brilliant.

I had them tested not just by a county school psychologist, but by a medical doctor as well. Their IQs were in the 180s. Today they would probably be called dyslexic or learning disabled. Back then the labeling had not really begun. There were no special classes. I had taken a course in which such students were covered. I knew that tactile and kinesthetic techniques were recommended. We did all that and more. I could never get them to read a single word. I would love to know how their lives turned out. I kept track of their teachers for years, and they were nurturing.

One of the most special students was a 2nd grade girl who was sweet and well-behaved. She was not a good student, barely got by with much help from an aide. She was at my desk near the start of school, and she told me she loved my new mushroom because it was so colorful. I had no idea what she meant so I asked her to show me. It was my new swirly colored pencil. Whenever she could not think of what to call an item, she called it a mushroom. It seemed perfectly fine to her, and I corrected her now and then, substituted the right name. It simply went over her head.

There was a child whose mother told me from the start of the year that he was mentally handicapped. I worked with him the best I could, had an aide give him special tutoring in reading. One day he walked up to my desk, sat down beside me and started to read a book on grade level. I handed him another one, he read it also. He was so proud.

A couple of years later I learned that he was determined to be in the low 70s and 60s ability wise. "Normal" is supposedly in the 90s. His reading continued but had reached a plateau about 4th grade level, still amazing.

I had a student in 4th grade whose parents were well educated, fairly well off. They admitted their son had problems they could not solve. They asked my help, were willing to work with doctors to determine how best to proceed. He was unable to be still, though he knew all the work and knew it well. He wandered, disrupted. I filled out daily behavior sheets for the parents' chosen doctor. He was learning in spite of his severe hyperactivity, but he could not be on task enough to produce.

This doctor was not one for ritalin or similar drugs, but he said in this case it might work. The difference was night and day after one dose. This student was very advanced in science because of his home environment and his father's scientific knowledge.

I tried letting him teach the class a lesson on a science topic with a promise of others to come if it were received well. He did amazingly well. The principal walked in during the lesson. The student continued unfazed. Later the principal shook his hand and commended him on a job well done.

Then there were the high achievers who fell apart when presented with bubbles to fill in on multiple choice items.

For years the only test we gave was the Iowa Test of Basic Skills (ITBS). It was used in an entirely different way than today's high stakes tests. It was used as a tool for teachers and schools to measure their progress....not as a way to cause schools to fail so they could be replaced by corporately owned charter schools. One very bright girl in particular comes to mind. She was so mature and wise. Her mother really had problems, and she had to play along to survive. She wanted to please so badly that she would be unable to complete the test out of fear of failure.

Her mother was obviously pregnant, and she often came to help in class. I had known her for years and was seriously upset at what she was pretending about her pregnancy. She told everyone she had a watermelon in her tummy, and the big bump would go away when the watermelon disappeared. Her daughter had to pretend she was right.

One day that girl came to my desk and told me she hoped I understood. She said she knew her mother was going to have a baby, but if she didn't go along she would be punished. She often held her mother's hand in support of the pretense. She just wanted to be sure I understood she knew better.

Two of my brightest 4th graders decided to rebel when the FCAT reading test first began in the late 90s. At that time teachers were not yet being judged by the class scores, so I was thankful for that. They put their heads down the day of testing. They could not be persuaded by anyone to take part in the test.

When I retired I could see that the times were changing. Jeb was now governor, and we were not to speak a critical word about him at school. I saw the future when our new principal did nothing but blame teachers for everything.

Thank God I could retire, and I did.

Arne Duncan should have the grace to realize the harm he has done, and he should simply step down from his position. Ideally it should have been done a long time ago before so much damage was done to public schools, before the "reformers" got the upper hand.

It may be too late now.

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My special unique students through the years would not have survived this test-crazed reform. (Original Post) madfloridian Nov 2013 OP
Kind of surprised Grateful for Hope Nov 2013 #1
Wow...quite a leap you made there. madfloridian Nov 2013 #2
I am so sorry, madfloridian Grateful for Hope Nov 2013 #4
Hey, Madfloridian Grateful for Hope Nov 2013 #9
Thanks. madfloridian Nov 2013 #11
It seems you have not read the OP. I'm kind of surprised that someone would jump into sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #6
.... madfloridian Nov 2013 #7
Sorry, Sabrina, but I think you are in the wrong thread Grateful for Hope Nov 2013 #8
You took a thread about my experiences as a teacher. Criticized me..... madfloridian Nov 2013 #10
I am so sorry Grateful for Hope Nov 2013 #17
No, I am just where I intended to be. I read the OP and as a teacher, I was moved sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #15
I would love to speak with in person Grateful for Hope Nov 2013 #18
What is OTT? I speak my mind, tell the truth and in over a dozen years of sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #20
Ok Grateful for Hope Nov 2013 #21
No problem, I have issues with some of the people I love the most. Can't agree sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #23
My daughter would agree with you 100% Grateful for Hope Nov 2013 #44
She sounds like a good teacher. I sympathize with her and applaud her for her efforts. Many good sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #48
Thank you! Grateful for Hope Nov 2013 #49
My heroes have always been teachers Link Speed Nov 2013 #3
I fear you may be right. madfloridian Nov 2013 #5
Please keep me in the loop Link Speed Nov 2013 #12
I will. madfloridian Nov 2013 #14
OK Grateful for Hope Nov 2013 #13
Same thing is going on here in Florida. There's little incentive.... madfloridian Nov 2013 #16
I think the results of this NCLB, now enhanced sadly, by this administration, are in. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #19
Ending teaching as a career, turning it into a temp type of position. madfloridian Nov 2013 #22
No matter which party holds power, I think public education is done, nearly over. madfloridian Nov 2013 #24
Amazing google link of Dems who supported Chris Christie. Stunning number of them. madfloridian Nov 2013 #25
Thank you for telling us these kids' stories. These kids are not stats on a state standardized test. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #26
You are so right. They are individuals with unique problems not solved by one single test. madfloridian Nov 2013 #27
I wish I knew where the outrage was madfloridian. I really do. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #28
That is the truth, but we are not supposed to say so. madfloridian Nov 2013 #30
k&r Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #29
They are phasing out the FCAT here, but putting more tests in place of it. madfloridian Nov 2013 #33
Always good. immoderate Nov 2013 #31
..... madfloridian Nov 2013 #32
You make me think of the students who taught me the most. immoderate Nov 2013 #34
I learned so much from my students. madfloridian Nov 2013 #36
Thanks for your thoughtful and thought-provoking piece. pnwmom Nov 2013 #35
I feel so much passion about this needless "reform" movement. madfloridian Nov 2013 #37
I hate cookie-cutter education and that seems to be the direction pnwmom Nov 2013 #38
Yes, that is where we are headed. madfloridian Nov 2013 #39
Been in touch with some teachers here who are not near retirement yet. madfloridian Nov 2013 #40
I wonder about a couple of the new teachers in the year things pnwmom Nov 2013 #41
K&R! Rebellious Republican Nov 2013 #42
Thanks RR madfloridian Nov 2013 #43
Your most welcome MF, Rebellious Republican Nov 2013 #46
Straight A student put in remedial class for leaving out one question on state test. madfloridian Nov 2013 #45
I feel your pain, believe me, I really feel your pain. Fortunately for me.... Thucydides Nov 2013 #47

Grateful for Hope

(39,320 posts)
1. Kind of surprised
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:19 PM
Nov 2013

That you are not following election returns tonight. I would have thought that you would have wanted to see democrats elected

I guess not.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
6. It seems you have not read the OP. I'm kind of surprised that someone would jump into
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:32 PM
Nov 2013

a beautifully written thread about the art of teaching and veer completely off topic. Are you in the right thread?

Teaching is an art, a profession, it holds the future of society in its hands. In some countries teachers are highly respected and highly paid btw, because evolved societies realize that their future doctors, lawyers, politicians, builders, scientists, nurses, police, fire fighters, our ethics, morals, success as a civilized society, all are determined, NOT by politicians, by our educators.

I think you wandered into the wrong thread. Your comment appears to be personal attack, although it's hard to tell since it has nothing to do with the OP.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
10. You took a thread about my experiences as a teacher. Criticized me.....
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:39 PM
Nov 2013

for not following elections tonight. I am a multi-tasker, I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Of course I am following elections.

You set a negative tone which I am not sure the thread can overcome. I put a lot of work into it, and neither Sabrina nor I could see why you said that.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
15. No, I am just where I intended to be. I read the OP and as a teacher, I was moved
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:49 PM
Nov 2013

by the sincerity of the OP who is a former teacher, and the understanding of what teaching actually is. It is NOT about 'testing' or 'racing to the top', it is not about money, or politics or statistics, it is about children, about human beings, about the future of this society and this OP was clearly a teacher who did not view her students as statistics but as human beings who deserve the very best education possible if we care about the future of this country.

I intended to comment on the OP and then saw your admonition to the OP, claiming, without a shred of knowledge to back up your admonition, that she was not interested in the elections? It had nothing to do with the OP.

It was judgemental, off topic, jarring to anyone who read the OP, lacking in anything that might have made your comment even factual in any way. So yes, I am in the right thread and commented on my reaction to what appeared to be a totally out of context comment and an unwarranted admonition against the author of this excellent OP.



sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
20. What is OTT? I speak my mind, tell the truth and in over a dozen years of
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:13 PM
Nov 2013

involvement in online political forums have never had any problems, other than death threats from Right Wingers.

Right Wingers generally take issue with what I have to say, which is fine by me.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
23. No problem, I have issues with some of the people I love the most. Can't agree
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:27 PM
Nov 2013

with everyone all of the time.

Education is one of the most important issues for me and always was. I completely opposed Bush's Corporate, pretend Education Program and still do. It has been a disaster for this country and still is as the results show.

MF's OP was a refreshing reminder of what teaching is all about. I too have stories about individual children and their parents, as most teachers have, that are so far removed from the 'Race to the Top' nonsense, that it makes it clear that those appointed to run our educational system, have ZERO knowledge of this Profession, and do not even view it as a Profession.

If someone doesn't like what I have to say about this, frankly I don't much care. I know my field and I know what is being touted as an educational program has zero to do with education and is in fact harmful to children and our future in this country. Educationally the world is passing by. But hey, we have a great gambling casino on Wall St where crimes are ignored and the money keeps trickling up to the least deserving.

Grateful for Hope

(39,320 posts)
44. My daughter would agree with you 100%
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:17 AM
Nov 2013

Her situation: She teaches in a low-income section of NYC. She is a good teacher (strict and persistent about what she expects from her students).

This year, after her new class was tested, she saw that 90% of her class is below grade level. She called me very upset about this and said that she is thinking about quitting (she won't). She has three young kids and commutes a long distance so her teaching job is stressful at its best. I asked her why these kids are being pushed up and she said that her admin know that she is a good teacher and that they expect she will bring them up to grade level.

I think there is something very wrong with this.

She will do what they expect, but is this burden fair? Why aren't all teachers expected to do the same?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
48. She sounds like a good teacher. I sympathize with her and applaud her for her efforts. Many good
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:23 PM
Nov 2013

teachers have quit and moved on to other professions. It isn't about 'bringing them up to grade levels' which means, what? Good teachers do not worry about grade levels BEFORE they worry about the factors that influence the lives of their students. But the current system doesn't allow for a teacher to follow her/his instincts and knowledge of the influences their students are under. You can't teach by testing, it is the antithesis of education and is harmful to both teachers and students.

I think that soon, in the not-too-distant future, the current methods being forced on our schools will be condemned but several generations of children will never be able to make for what they lost.

I wish your daughter the best. She sounds like a wonderful teacher.

Grateful for Hope

(39,320 posts)
49. Thank you!
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 06:49 AM
Nov 2013

This: "You can't teach by testing, it is the antithesis of education and is harmful to both teachers and students." I totally agree.

I am going to show her your post. I really appreciate it.

 

Link Speed

(650 posts)
3. My heroes have always been teachers
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:24 PM
Nov 2013

Due to geographic (miles) factors, I was never able to attend a real school. When my sons entered public schools, my eyelids were pinned open. I had no idea what teachers were up against.

Your OP held me in thrall, and I fully agree with you on the current state of our public educational system.

It's over - the stream will never reverse course.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
5. I fear you may be right.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:29 PM
Nov 2013

I have only touched on the surface of my 33 years of teaching. More to come maybe.

 

Link Speed

(650 posts)
12. Please keep me in the loop
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:46 PM
Nov 2013

I suppose the old DU Journal is a thing of the past.

If there is any way to put me on some kind of recipient list, I would love to follow your account of your 33-year career.

Thank you - for everything.

Link Speed

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
14. I will.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:48 PM
Nov 2013

There are journals here, but you can't link to them. They simply lead back to the original post.

Thanks for caring. Guess it's not a good night to post about education, but then there's never really a good time for that. There is just not much interest.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
16. Same thing is going on here in Florida. There's little incentive....
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:49 PM
Nov 2013

since it all depends on one high stakes test which contains stuff that has not yet been taught.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
19. I think the results of this NCLB, now enhanced sadly, by this administration, are in.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:01 PM
Nov 2013

Many good teachers have moved on to other careers unable, in conscience, to implement these cruel, abusive policies which are so harmful to so many children. We've seen the reports of cheating but most of all, the shameful standing of America's students against the rest of the civilized world.

And it is not the fault of the children, it is the fault of Politicians and the Corporations who wrote this 'educational program' without any input from educators. But for them, this probably IS success. To ensure that they will have cheap labor right here in the US.

How disappointing that while we all knew the Bush 'education system' was nothing more than a Corporate scam, an anti-educator/teacher program designed to take public funds from the Public System, we ended up supporting it unwittingly, when we voted for the current administration, who tragically, rather than ridding the country of that awful system, ended up enhancing it.

Thanks for your OP. Many teachers feel the same way.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
24. No matter which party holds power, I think public education is done, nearly over.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 12:10 AM
Nov 2013

It did not have to be that way. Those of us who posted about what was happening back in 2009 were ignored, even attacked.

I have yet to understand why so many think the loss of public schools is not a loss for our country.

Or is it because it is an issue supported openly by both parties? And we are just supposed to pretend we don't notice?

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
25. Amazing google link of Dems who supported Chris Christie. Stunning number of them.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 12:15 AM
Nov 2013

Does not bode well for the future of education since Christie takes pleasure in in yelling at teachers in public

Here is the google search link....amazing and shocking.

https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=democrats+endorse+christie

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
26. Thank you for telling us these kids' stories. These kids are not stats on a state standardized test.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 12:34 AM
Nov 2013

They are individual, bright, intelligent, creative, determined, and beautiful children. My son's English teacher says she goes home and cries sometimes over the stress of whether or not her special kids will pass the state tests or not. I really don't give a shit if my son passes those damn tests or not. My son has something those tests don't test for; perseverance, determination, creativity, and ingenuity. I have no doubt my son will be okay whether he passes these stupid tests or not.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
27. You are so right. They are individuals with unique problems not solved by one single test.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 12:37 AM
Nov 2013

The charter school companies, the test-making companies, the test-grading companies, the data collecting companies....they are all getting their share of our children.

Where is the outrage!!

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
28. I wish I knew where the outrage was madfloridian. I really do.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 12:39 AM
Nov 2013

We have been abandoned by both parties. Neither party cares about education.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
29. k&r
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 12:40 AM
Nov 2013

That was really beautiful, madfloridian.

As an art teacher, many of my students are non-traditional learners. I'm a lucky person that this testing never entered my realm, but seeing the sad faces after a month of STAR tests has always killed me. They are phasing those out here, Duncan was very angry at our state DOE for bringing them to an end ahead of his plans.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
36. I learned so much from my students.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 12:46 AM
Nov 2013

They were amazing in how they could overcome adversities in their lives. Teachers don't have time to be taking care of emotional needs anymore....just testing testing testing.

Obama won't fire his basketball buddy, so Duncan should do the right thing and step down. Trouble is, it may be too late.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
37. I feel so much passion about this needless "reform" movement.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 12:54 AM
Nov 2013

Sometimes the anger comes through. Thanks for the kind words.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
38. I hate cookie-cutter education and that seems to be the direction
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:12 AM
Nov 2013

we've been moving in for twenty years.

And we've lost so many caring teachers because of it.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
40. Been in touch with some teachers here who are not near retirement yet.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 03:33 AM
Nov 2013

Their eyes are being opened more and more. They are really nervous.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
41. I wonder about a couple of the new teachers in the year things
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 03:56 AM
Nov 2013

started to get bad at our school. (Around the time kids first had to start taking no-child-left-behind tests in second grade.)

The good, experienced teachers were leaving in droves, and there were these young idealistic ones who just had no idea -- and so were trying to justify things that couldn't be justified.

I'm wondering if they're learned anything in the interim.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
45. Straight A student put in remedial class for leaving out one question on state test.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 12:38 PM
Nov 2013

This is just one example of the ridiculous nature of this high stakes testing. I sympathize with the mother.

http://www.news-press.com/article/20131103/NEWS0104/311030043/Parents-rail-against-high-stakes-testing

“We’re doing vocabulary tests and chapter tests and it does become all about testing and spending more time on testing than teaching,” she said. “And then all of your teaching is tailored toward that test. Our teachers don’t want to teach to the test, but we have a whole curriculum, not just in this county, but nationwide that’s geared toward that.”

Tara Geissinger watched one of her twin daughters go from a straight-A fourth grade student last year to being placed in a remedial reading class this year after her anxiety led her to leave a question unanswered on state exam. “She had a panic attack and left a question blank… they basically told me her grades didn’t matter,” said Geissinger, of Fort Myers."

..."Remedial classes weren’t working either, so Geissinger learned she could request her daughter’s portfolio of work be considered. So now, her daughter is spending second quarter in regular courses. “It’s sad that the FCAT or PARCC or whatever test holds so much power over students, teachers and administrators. It’s tied into salaries and it creates an atmosphere of fear in the classroom that everybody can feel, including the children.”

Even though they are phasing out the FCAT, there are even more tests coming to take its place.

And she is right....the teachers might as well quit keeping grade books. In the end it is only the test that matters now.

 

Thucydides

(212 posts)
47. I feel your pain, believe me, I really feel your pain. Fortunately for me....
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:22 PM
Nov 2013

I had good mentors and went on to higher education in spite of FCAT.

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