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Big Chicken In ExcelsisBy Charles P. Pierce at 10:00am
31 percent.
That's the number of the night, people.
That's the percentage of self-identified "liberals" that voted for Chris Christie, essentially endorsing the idea that he should run for president of the United States, since that was the real purpose of the New Jersey gubernatorial election yesterday. It certainly wasn't about who's going to be the governor of New Jersey, since Big Chicken is eighty-eight-and-out-the-gate as soon as the dust clears from next autumn's midterms, if not sooner. (All that talk about "Washington" in his acceptance speech was a pretty clear indication that the man has his travelin' shoes on already.) No, as soon as it was determined by the strategic geniuses in the Democratic party that Barbara Buono would be fed to the woodchipper -- and good on her for calling the duplicitous bastards on it last night -- the only issue in the election became whether or not you think Chris Christie should run for president. And 31 percent of the liberals who voted assented to that proposition. How the hell did that happen on a night when the state also kicked him squarely in the nuts by overwhelmingly reversing his veto of an increase in the minimum wage, a veto that is the perfect expression of everything Chris Christie stands for as a politician? If you want to know why actual liberalism continues to be a dead parrot in our politics, and why the only real political dynamic in the country revolves around a choice over whether we will drift slowly to the right or stampede headlong in that direction, look to that number.
There is no reason on god's earth why a self-identified liberal would vote for Chris Christie. He's a tool of the ascendant oligarchy, awful on women's rights, terrible on infrastructure, very high on union-busting, and a short-tempered, thin-skinned bully into the bargain. If you're a New Jersey Democratic legislator who needs a little somethin'-somethin', I can see why you would support him. But 31 percent of liberals? Please. Because of that number, and because he also got 32 percent of the overall Democratic vote, the Christie '16 narrative is now set in stone. He's the Obamist candidate who can bring folks together. He can end the "divisiveness" in our politics, which will be a way for us to anesthetize ourselves to the reality that one of our two major political parties determined that the nation would not be governed by a black man. We will all move on to glory together because of Chris Christie's healing hand.
It is to wonder.
Read more: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/chris-christie-re-election-110613
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)John: Hey, Bush is now at 37% approval. I feel much less like Kevin McCarthy screaming in traffic. But I wonder what his base is --
Tyrone: 27%.
John: ... you said that immmediately, and with some authority.
Tyrone: Obama vs. Alan Keyes. Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshit crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him. They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement. Hell, even like 5% of Democrats voted for him. That's crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% Crazification Factor in any population.
John: Objectively crazy or crazy vis-a-vis my own inertial reference frame for rational behaviour? I mean, are you creating the Theory of Special Crazification or General Crazification?
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Several things mitigate against Christie sweeping the nation: (1) He has to run the gantlet of the Republican nominating process, which pushes people so far to the right they have trouble extricating themselves from it in the general; and (2) This loudmouth bully may not be as appealing to independents and Democrats outside of the Jersey Shore, in states like, say, California and New York--the states that you really can't win without.
New Jersey is not the nation. Christie is not that talented. And if he should manage to win the presidency by some miracle, it will only have been because he runs on Democratic policies and ideas.
In the meantime, I'm not going to twist my knickers in a knot.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)The things that make him popular as a governor in the northeast are the things that will assure that he will not survive the republican primaries.
Jeb Bush is beginning to posture, he's the one to be afraid of - after the mid-terms.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)him and the allegedly Democratic Party of NJ that virtually endorsed him. They reelected a bigoted hyper conservative Republican who is a laughing stock in most of the country. They might as well become Republicans if that's how they vote.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Maybe next time they could get a candidate that would at least get all the Dem votes. I'm tired of state's Democratic parties not picking candidates to run against idiots. I'm in Florida which is known for putting up weak ass Dems against horrible repukes.
leftstreet
(36,116 posts)+1 to your post
jeff47
(26,549 posts)They then gave that candidate no money or logistical support and endorsed Christie.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)So Buono decided to run, even though she had no party support.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)Here's the thing: without giving her the support she needed, they also wound up ceding, I'm sure, some local races that maybe could have swung the other way had the top of the ticket been well-financed. The Dems not only gave Christie a coronation, they also screwed themselves where it counts: in local races where all kinds of things get decided. You know, where the rubber meets the road. The national bigwigs don't seem to understand how politics is played.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)vote for that gas bag? Uncivilized style marbled into despicable policy.
progressoid
(49,999 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,095 posts)Had the Senate race been on the ballot, rather than that race having been held weeks ago, it would have been much, much closer. I have little doubt that many of the people who came out to vote for Deval Patrick a few weeks ago stayed home yesterday.
rurallib
(62,451 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,095 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)1,323,000 people voted in Booker election. 2,056,000 voted in Christie election. No evidence anyone stayed home.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Yeah sure. These people clearly have no idea what it means to be liberal.
Fuck Christie.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)drones and social slashing and so on
? the right guy was in the WH
BumRushDaShow
(129,541 posts)were Essex & Hudson (basically Newark and the Oranges).
valerief
(53,235 posts)Everyone likes Tom Hanks.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)It's not dead...it's pining for the fjords.
Anyway, while the Tealiban wing of the GOP seems to be reeling right now, any sort of post-midterm resurgence on their part would effectively doom Christie's candidacy in the primaries. This is a distinct possibility, I'd say. While I think the GOP's traditional power centers (that is, the corporate sockpuppets) will eventually restore their near-complete control, if the GOP get clobbered in 2014 (pretty darn likely), the far right fringe will see a temporary bump. Enough to prevent Christie from being the nominee, I suspect...
underpants
(182,904 posts)- Dick Tuck