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Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 12:01 PM Nov 2013

JFK assassination: CIA and New York Times are still lying to us


JFK assassination: CIA and New York Times are still lying to us
Fifty years later, a complicit media still covers up for the security state. We need to reclaim our history

By David Talbot - Wednesday, Nov 6, 2013 http://www.salon.com/2013/11/06/the_jfk_assassination_we_still_dont_know_what_happened/

We’ll never know, we’ll never know, we’ll never know. That’s the mocking-bird media refrain this season as we commemorate the 50th anniversary of America’s greatest mystery – the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. New York Times executive editor Jill Abramson hijacked a large chunk of her paper’s Sunday Book Review to ponder the Kennedy mystery. And after deliberating for page after page on the subject, she could only conclude that there was some “kind of void” at the center of the Kennedy story. Adam Gopnik was even more vaporous in the Nov. 4 issue of the New Yorker, turning the JFK milestone into an occasion for a windy cogitation on regicide as cultural phenomenon. Of course, constantly proclaiming “we’ll never know” has become a self-fulfilling prophecy for the American press. It lets the watchdogs off the hook, and excuses their unforgivable failure to actually, you know, investigate the epic crime. When it comes to this deeply troubling American trauma, the highly refined writers of the New Yorker and the elite press would rather muse about the meta-issues than get at the meat.

All this artful dodging about the murder of President Kennedy began, of course, nearly 50 years ago with the Warren Commission, the blue-ribbon panel that was appointed by President Lyndon Johnson — not to get at the truth, but to “lay the dust” (in the words of one commissioner) on all the disturbing rumors that were swirling around the bloody events in Dallas. Two new books take us inside the Warren Commission sausage factory, and show in often shocking detail how the august panel got it so terribly wrong. Soon after the Warren Report was released in September 1964, polls began showing that the American people rejected its conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin of the president ......
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JFK assassination: CIA and New York Times are still lying to us (Original Post) Coyotl Nov 2013 OP
NYTimes, WaPo, and CBS were central to the coverup. How can they now backtrack? Zen Democrat Nov 2013 #1
Hale Boggs - Warren Commission Member and Critic Coyotl Nov 2013 #4
The media knows. They just won't tell us. Initech Nov 2013 #2
Oh, Jesus... bobclark86 Nov 2013 #3
And you are going to produce Hal Boggs' body, right? Coyotl Nov 2013 #5
Oh, God... again? bobclark86 Nov 2013 #7
So, then what do you think of the 60% of Americans who believe the Warren Commission is a bunch of EOTE Nov 2013 #9
You ever see a Lincoln Continental? bobclark86 Nov 2013 #12
Nice deflection. EOTE Nov 2013 #13
My response was to someone who pushed... bobclark86 Nov 2013 #14
Your response was to me, actually. EOTE Nov 2013 #16
Agreed. These threads are an embarrassment to DU. stopbush Nov 2013 #6
Embarrasment? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #18
+1 YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #21
Thanks for posting the article hootinholler Nov 2013 #8
"Smirk." - Ass Assins, Inc. (R) Berlum Nov 2013 #10
Let's refresh his memory, shall we? Holly_Hobby Nov 2013 #17
OMIGOD! zappaman Nov 2013 #19
Octafish posted it many years ago, I think n/t Holly_Hobby Nov 2013 #20
Damn you BFEE!!...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #11
The CIA and New York Times are still lying to us. Octafish Nov 2013 #15
David Talbot lost all credibility with his conspiracy nonsense. duffyduff Nov 2013 #22

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
1. NYTimes, WaPo, and CBS were central to the coverup. How can they now backtrack?
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 12:58 PM
Nov 2013

They have stood up for the Warren Report for 50 years and effectively closed the case on Day 2. Three members of the Warren Commission refused to sign off on the Report until promised to have their dissent included in the Report. They were assured it would be by Allen Dulles and John J. McCloy. We have the transcripts of the meeting where that happened, which were released in the 1990's with the AARB after Stone's JFK. But ... Russell didn't realize for three years after the Report was issued that he had been hoodwinked by Allen Dulles. We have Russell and Cooper on tape, and Hale Boggs was actually the one who told Jim Garrison that there was a massive cover-up, not Sen. Long as portrayed in JFK. Sen. John Sherman Cooper says in his tape recording that Rep. Boggs didn't buy the single bullet theory in any shape, form, or fashion.

It's been a scam with the major media sources putting up a wall to deflect any criticism of the Warren Commission. The entire Report is about framing Oswald and does not include the witnesses who heard shots from behind the picket fence. That's where the crowd ran immediately thereafter. That's what people told reporters that day. The rifle found on the 6th floor was a Mauser. The Mannlicher-Carcano was supposedly ordered by A. Hiddell via mail order with a postal money order that was never cashed. You haven't heard this in the NYTimes or the WaPo or on any major media outlet. Their own credibility is worth more to them than the truth. But it's out there, and not hard to find.

You can take any aspect of the Kennedy case, from Oswald's life, the autopsy, the Secret Service detail, the doctors at Parkland Hospital, the taking of Kennedy's body from Parkland at gunpoint, the paraffin test, the fingerprint "evidence" and so on and so on, and this whole coverup enterprise cracks like a ripe melon in July.

Kennedy was a sitting duck in that triangle of death. Oswald had been working at the depository for over a month. The motorcade was changed to go by his workplace because he was the designated patsy. How could that be a coincidence? The attorney general of Texas said the day after Kennedy's funeral that he had information that Oswald was an informant for intelligence agencies and was paid a monthly salary. Isn't it strange that 50 years after the assassination, the FBI won't release the tax returns of Lee and Marina, or his mother Marguerite. But the Warren Commission did include a section in the exhibits with x-rays of Jack Ruby's mother's teeth. Jack Ruby begged Warren to get him out of Dallas so he could tell his story. Warren told him that wouldn't be possible.

Truth-seekers? No, truth-killers. In Warren's defense, he didn't want any part of this and voice tapes of his conversations with LBJ make it clear that LBJ blackmailed him into the job with Hoover information, and also by claiming that millions of people would die without a coverup.

This case has been stinking for 50 years. The Kennedy family didn't believe it. They thought there had been a coup d'etat. At least Jackie and Bobby did. People are talking now. Bobby died too and Jackie left the country for a number of years after marrying the richest bastard in the world for personal protection.

One of these days we'll know everything except who pulled the trigger, and at this point we know that whoever those men were, they certainly didn't live long after the "big event."

Dulles (fired from DCI by JFK a year earlier), Gen. Curtis LeMay, Gen. Ed Lansdale, James Jesus Angleton, and possibly Richard Helms -- these are the people who made it happen.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
4. Hale Boggs - Warren Commission Member and Critic
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:20 PM
Nov 2013

Dallas journalist Jim Marrs pointed out Bogghs was "The most vocal critic among Commission members ... "

On April 1, 1971, House Majority Leader Boggs delivered an attack on J. Edgar Hoover ... the FBI had adopted 'the tactics of the Soviet Union and Hitler's Gestapo.'

Boggs vanished on October 16, 1972, while on a military junket flight in Alaska ... no trace of the airplane or of Boggs has ever been found.

Sen. Mark Begich's father was on the same plane!

"Over the postwar years, we have granted to the elite and secret police within our system vast new powers over the lives and liberties of the people. At the request of the trusted and respected heads of those forces, and their appeal to the necessities of national security, we have exempted those grants of power from due accounting and strict surveillance."
--House Majority Leader Hale Boggs, in a speech before Congress, 22 April 1971


"[FBI Director J. Edgar] Hoover lied his eyes out to the [Warren] Commission – on Oswald, on Ruby, on their friends, the bullets, the gun, you name it."
--Hale Boggs, speaking to an aide, cited by Bernard Fensterwald, Coincidence or Conspiracy?


It is a myth that the Warren Commission was united in its conclusion that a lone assassin killed President John F. Kennedy. On the seven member Warren Commission, there were three dissenters: .....

Initech

(100,104 posts)
2. The media knows. They just won't tell us.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:10 PM
Nov 2013

There was a Bill Hicks bit where he said: "I believe that when you become president they put you in a room with these twelve industrialist capitalist scumfucks that really run the country. They fly you to New York City and put you in a high rise office somewhere and they turn out the lights. Next a projection screen comes down and this guy with a cigar says roll tape. And it's footage of the Kennedy assassination from an angle that you've never seen before. And when the video is finished:

"Any questions?"
"No just what my agenda is."
"First we bomb Baghdad."
"You got it.""

I'm sure that's how it happens.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
3. Oh, Jesus...
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:13 PM
Nov 2013

I thought conspiracy theories were not allowed here... What's next, the Magic Bullet theory? "Back and to the left?"

You guys sound like you're FReepers talking about Benghazi. You know that, right?

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
7. Oh, God... again?
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 03:19 PM
Nov 2013

1/4 of Americans think 9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by GWB and the Jews... and coincidentally, 1/4 of Americans are retarded.

I wish I was still in school, so I could write a book report comparing and contrasting JFK and Benghazi conspiracy theorists...

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
9. So, then what do you think of the 60% of Americans who believe the Warren Commission is a bunch of
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 03:54 PM
Nov 2013

shit? They're retarded as well? I tend to think that the ones who buy into the official story surrounding JFK are the dim bulbs. Either that or they're authority worhshippers. Certainly not critical thinkers, that's for sure.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
12. You ever see a Lincoln Continental?
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:50 PM
Nov 2013

The jump seat (where the governor was sitting) is NOT at the same height as the rear seat, and it is also closer to the inside of the car. The "magic bullet" went in a straight line from the book depository.

When you start spouting off about people being killed for dissent, as well as other stuff that is easily dis-proven, you sound like an idiot, like FReepers and "Ancient Astronaut Theorists"

Please take this conspiracy theory bullshit to the conspiracy theory group. That's what it's there for.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
13. Nice deflection.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:09 PM
Nov 2013

You are in the minority here and in the entire U.S. with your view, so you can take YOUR conspiracy bullshit elsewhere. Do you ever get tired of spouting out nonsense? "When you start spouting off about people being killed for dissent, as well as other stuff that is easily dis-proven" Holy strawman, Batman! Are you ever able to win an argument that you haven't made up yourself? You're not going to find many of the authority worshipers you're looking for here. It's always nice to see how incredibly militant your types are.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
14. My response was to someone who pushed...
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:16 PM
Nov 2013

the two-shooter theory and the killing of a member of Congress to cover it up. No strawman involved.

And I love how I'm an authority-worshipper now. Lovely use of an ad hominem attack, speaking of logical fallacies.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
16. Your response was to me, actually.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:23 PM
Nov 2013

You do know how this works, right? The person you respond to is the one you're talking to. Again, if you need to make up arguments in order to have something convenient to knock down, your argument is threadbare. You use an appeal to populism to denigrate a huge group of people and then lash out stupidly when that same appeal to populism is used against you. And yes, the ones who constantly make excuses for the destruction of our democracy are authority-worshipers. No doubt about that.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
18. Embarrasment?
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:34 PM
Nov 2013

Only because people like you post in them.

The rest of us are interested in the story. Posts like yours are not welcome. But hey, you want to be embarrassing, it's a free country.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
8. Thanks for posting the article
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 03:47 PM
Nov 2013

It's not CT, and a fairly good list of reading before the 50th anniversary.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
19. OMIGOD!
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:10 PM
Nov 2013

That's George Bush!
No doubt at all!
Finally, we know for sure!
Where did you find this amazing picture clearly showing George Bush at the assassination???

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
22. David Talbot lost all credibility with his conspiracy nonsense.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:29 PM
Nov 2013

I suppose he's made a lot of money peddling this garbage, but the truth remains there was no conspiracy in the JFK/Tippit killings.

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