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malaise

(269,211 posts)
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 03:29 PM Nov 2013

So the gun went off accidentally and just ended up in Renisha McBride's face

The fucker has finally been charged.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/15/detroit-man-charged-renisha-mcbride
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A Detroit man has been charged with second-degree murder after he shot and killed an unarmed black woman who was seeking help on his porch following a car accident.

Theodore Wafer, 54, was also charged with manslaughter and felony firearm possession on Friday morning. Renisha McBride, 19, was shot in the face on the porch of Wafer's Dearborn Heights home on Saturday 2 November.

McBride's death sparked anger from her family, who allege race was a factor, and prompted calls for a thorough investigation from civil rights groups. McBride's family has compared her death to that of Trayvon Martin, who was shot and killed by George Zimmerman in Florida in February 2012.

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So the gun went off accidentally and just ended up in Renisha McBride's face (Original Post) malaise Nov 2013 OP
About fucking time.... HipChick Nov 2013 #1
Almost two weeks gollygee Nov 2013 #2
When the victim is African American and the shooter is white in a case like this Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #9
Good luck getting a jury to believe that... HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #3
Since he opened the door and shot her through the screen door, malaise Nov 2013 #4
Finally - I thought he was going to get away with it like Cops FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #5
Still after Trayvon Martin I'm not holding my breath malaise Nov 2013 #6
Like Zimmerman, this guy shoots a black person and walks for two weeks. I doubt justice will be done uponit7771 Nov 2013 #7
ITA JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #12
+1000 Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #16
I'm afraid it's already happening re her blood alcohol and marijuana level. nolabear Nov 2013 #28
We had someone walking around in our house Peregrine Took Nov 2013 #8
That guy was INSIDE your house, and you KNEW he broke in. Big difference. I'm sure it made you think okaawhatever Nov 2013 #10
Scary indeed malaise Nov 2013 #11
I woke up one morning to the sounds of people talking in my kitchen Kaleva Nov 2013 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #13
Corrected malaise Nov 2013 #15
This is why you don't want 3# triggers on a defensive firearm. ileus Nov 2013 #14
You think it was a accidental discharge??? n-t Logical Nov 2013 #19
Maybe. I think it's possible that the shooter might have intended to threaten and intimidate her. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #20
He killed her without a doubt. And there's no indication it was self-defense. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #22
There's a spectrum of choices between murder 2 and self defense. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #25
That's assuming he pulled the trigger "by accident" i.e. without intent. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #26
It's clear he pulled the trigger. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #34
What about manslaughter? nt brush Nov 2013 #27
He removed the safety functioning_cog Nov 2013 #21
+1 Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #24
And latest evidence is that she was shot at a distance. Not sure what that means nolabear Nov 2013 #29
That assumes the safety was on first. NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #36
This is what family's lawyer said. He apparently functioning_cog Nov 2013 #37
are people who are easily scared and more likely to be cowards also more likely to buy guns ? JI7 Nov 2013 #18
I can believe that he accidentally pulled the trigger. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #23
Well unlike Johannes Mesehrle, who got off with time served for involuntary manslaughter nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #30
he took off the safety, this was no accident... he walked around for 2 fuckin weeks. uponit7771 Nov 2013 #35
I have faith in Wayne County (Michigan ) Prosecutor Kym Worthy etherealtruth Nov 2013 #31
wth..a Detroit man?! Quayblue Nov 2013 #32
k&r... spanone Nov 2013 #33

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
1. About fucking time....
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 03:31 PM
Nov 2013

Whatever happened to calling 911? How did he know he was in danger, when he never opened the door?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
2. Almost two weeks
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 03:33 PM
Nov 2013

Two weeks of freedom that most people don't get after they shoot innocent people in the head. Well, let's hope for justice from this point on.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
9. When the victim is African American and the shooter is white in a case like this
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 03:40 PM
Nov 2013

unfortunately it will take much longer.

malaise

(269,211 posts)
4. Since he opened the door and shot her through the screen door,
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 03:35 PM
Nov 2013

he will have a hard time proving that she was trying to break-in. Prosecutors found no evidence that she was trying to break in.

Hope he pays dearly.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
16. +1000
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 06:38 PM
Nov 2013

And I'm guessing before the weekend is over the media will get fed their NRA-approved smear stories and McBride will be (posthumously) transformed into the most dangerous, mentally unstable criminal in the city who rightly got what was coming to her by a freedom-loving patriot defending his house and home...

Yeah, I've seen this story play out too many times...I know for a fact that a couple of my favorite sockpuppets are stockpiling their freshly-made alt accounts as we speak...

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
28. I'm afraid it's already happening re her blood alcohol and marijuana level.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 10:30 PM
Nov 2013

She was driving with an illegal BAL, it's been blasted in all the stories today, and some of the comments about her have been unbelievable.

Peregrine Took

(7,417 posts)
8. We had someone walking around in our house
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 03:39 PM
Nov 2013

And the police told us we had every right to have shot him.

I would only consider doing this if he was threatening us but he wasn't and we did not have a gun anyway.

He was a drunken neighbor (although we fidn't know him) who broke into the wrong identical condo.

Scary experience!

okaawhatever

(9,469 posts)
10. That guy was INSIDE your house, and you KNEW he broke in. Big difference. I'm sure it made you think
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 03:42 PM
Nov 2013

twice about your own safety, and was probably pretty scary. I hope the intruder thought twice about drinking again.

malaise

(269,211 posts)
11. Scary indeed
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 03:44 PM
Nov 2013

I'm sure you're glad you didn't have a gun when you discovered he was a drunken neighbor

Kaleva

(36,356 posts)
17. I woke up one morning to the sounds of people talking in my kitchen
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 06:42 PM
Nov 2013

As I lay there on the bed listening to them, I heard a lady say "I think someone lives here!" and they left quietly. After a few minutes, I got up, dressed and walked downstairs. Nothing was amiss and based on what I heard the woman say, I figured they just got screwed up on directions.

I had guns in my bedroom closet but no ammo. Not once did I think about grabbing a gun and wishing I had ammo. To this day, I have the rifles but still no ammo and I think I'll keep it that way for the foreseeable future.

Response to malaise (Original post)

ileus

(15,396 posts)
14. This is why you don't want 3# triggers on a defensive firearm.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 06:32 PM
Nov 2013

Sticking with 5-8 pound triggers help avoid discharging a SD pistol by mistake. Of course the best way is to keep the meat hook off the trigger until you're ready to fire.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
20. Maybe. I think it's possible that the shooter might have intended to threaten and intimidate her.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 07:06 PM
Nov 2013

2nd degree murder might be difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. I think the guy will get convicted of the gun possession crimes but not the murder.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
22. He killed her without a doubt. And there's no indication it was self-defense.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 08:20 PM
Nov 2013

I don't see how that's not voluntary manslaughter at the very least.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
25. There's a spectrum of choices between murder 2 and self defense.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 10:18 PM
Nov 2013

I think negligent manslaughter would have been easier to prove.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
26. That's assuming he pulled the trigger "by accident" i.e. without intent.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 10:27 PM
Nov 2013

But even if true, that seems like a rather difficult thing to prove. And I know our legal system is supposed to be based on "innocent until proven guilty," but members of the public (like you and me) aren't held to the same standard, nor should we be.

Not trying to move the goalposts here, mind you. Just expressing my own opinion of the case.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
34. It's clear he pulled the trigger.
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 01:24 AM
Nov 2013

The question is whether he did it with intent. I doubt that the prosecutor can prove that he did, even if he may have.

 

functioning_cog

(294 posts)
21. He removed the safety
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 07:15 PM
Nov 2013

He fully armed the gun and aimed it at her head. I don't buy bullshit about accidental discharge. He probably growled "Get off my lawn" before blasting her face wide open.

I always love when gun lovers try to trot out their prodigious gun knowledge.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
29. And latest evidence is that she was shot at a distance. Not sure what that means
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 10:32 PM
Nov 2013

but it sure as hell doesn't mean she was an immanent threat.

 

functioning_cog

(294 posts)
37. This is what family's lawyer said. He apparently
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 05:23 PM
Nov 2013

Has reason to believe from police report or otherwise that this was the case.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
23. I can believe that he accidentally pulled the trigger.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 08:40 PM
Nov 2013

But I have a real hard time believing that the gun just randomly happened to be pointed at the victim's face at the exact same time he "accidentally" pulled the trigger.

He probably won't be convicted of second-degree murder, but I think 'voluntary manslaughter' is very likely. I'm not sure what the whole 'felony firearm possession' charge is all about, but that's not going to help the guy out any. This isn't going to end well for him.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
30. Well unlike Johannes Mesehrle, who got off with time served for involuntary manslaughter
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 10:33 PM
Nov 2013

plus a firearm enhancement, this guy isn't a cop. And I hate to say it, but the gender of his victim may work against him as well.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
31. I have faith in Wayne County (Michigan ) Prosecutor Kym Worthy
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 10:49 PM
Nov 2013

She is very smart and generally tries to make sure all her ducks are in a row when she brings charges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kym_Worthy


The homeowner who shot and killed a 19-year-old woman Nov. 2 on his Dearborn Heights porch called 911 to report the shooting.

Theodore Wafer, 54, was arraigned on a second degree murder charge Friday for the shooting death of Renisha McBride. Wafer called 911 to say he had just shot her on his porch. Listen to the 911 Call:

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/listen-homeowner-calls-911-after-shooting-renisha-mcbride-on-porch/-/1719418/22994522/-/m2msljz/-/index.html

Quayblue

(1,045 posts)
32. wth..a Detroit man?!
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 12:12 AM
Nov 2013

Dearborn Heights ain't Detroit and there is a definite class and race distinction in Wayne county.

not sure why they said this is a Detroit dude, but I didn't read the link. I always follow Detroit news despite being gone for 2 years (Detroiters seem to be more likely than other transports to do this imo).

anyhow, hope they lock his ass up. Enough is enough

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