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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf the right wingers REALLY want to keep pushing that Bill Maher button...
...maybe it's time to do a little Googling on the inappropriate / sexist / mysogynist / racist / religiously intolerant / homophobic comments of some of the fine men and women who have also written $1 million checks for their Republican candidates of choice.
DU agrees on some things, but not others...and in all of the time I've been here, I don't think I've ever read "You know what? Bill Maher seems like he's a really nice guy."
He's not! He's a fucking ASSHOLE! He is one of the most self-absorbed, narcissistic, loud-mouthed assholes in the "entertainment industry." It's ALWAYS "all about Bill Maher," 100% of the time, 24/7.
http://www.snowspotmedia.com/2010/09/11/the-comments-about-911-that-cost-bill-maher-his-job-video/
I don't think he's "funny" most of the time, I thought his comments about Liberals "looking bad" for not accepting Limbaugh's "apology" were utter HORSESHIT, but...I think President Obama should keep that $1 million check. FUCK Fox "News" and anyone else calling for him to return it to Maher.
And if the Republicans REALLY want to stir up some shit, let's dig up some "interesting" comments from every Republican donor who ever wrote a check. This could be FUN.
denverbill
(11,489 posts)Seems particularly odd given the shows title. And I actually agree with the statement. And I'd say the same about kamikaze pilots in WWII versus American pilots doing normal bombing runs. You can call it a lot of things, but cowardly isn't a word I would pick.
frylock
(34,825 posts)godai
(2,902 posts)By going past both of them to identify others plays into the RW's hands. The focus is on Limbaugh, getting him off Armed Forces Radio and making him think twice about doing this again.
No stations have dropped Limbaugh. They're all waiting for this to blow over and then resume business as usual. Bringing up Maher, who, I think is most times funny, who is a COMEDIAN, just helps them deflect pressure from Limbaugh.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)WBEC in Pittsfield, Massachusetts, along with KPUA in Hilo, Hawaii, both said that Limbaugh's words he called Fluke a "slut" and a "prostitute" for her advocacy of insurance coverage of birth control, along with other incendiary remarks had crossed a line for them.
godai
(2,902 posts)But, I think this will blow over, his fanatical listeners will demand the show, sponsors will return. But, to dilute this with Bill Maher comparisons, like him or not, just muddies the waters. Maher is a comedian. He's not on Armed Forces Radio. Limbaugh likely won't be even pulled from Armed Forces Radio. The right wing would scream censorship!
tsuki
(11,994 posts)popular shows on cable talk and the sponsors did not return. In truth, some left all cable talk for good. Ad dollars are different than support dollars.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)I'm going to be bringing up Tu Quoque over and over and over again - that's what's necessary to get more people to understand the tactics of the right-wingers.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem-tu-quoque.html
Also Known as: "You Too Fallacy"
Description of Ad Hominem Tu Quoque
This fallacy is committed when it is concluded that a person's claim is false because 1) it is inconsistent with something else a person has said or 2) what a person says is inconsistent with her actions. This type of "argument" has the following form:
Person A makes claim X.
Person B asserts that A's actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X.
Therefore X is false.
The fact that a person makes inconsistent claims does not make any particular claim he makes false (although of any pair of inconsistent claims only one can be true - but both can be false). Also, the fact that a person's claims are not consistent with his actions might indicate that the person is a hypocrite but this does not prove his claims are false.
Besides, Maher's already been punished for his nasty remarks - he lost his show and got exiled to HBO.
EC
(12,287 posts)It was given to his PAC - legally no connection. That's the way the repubs wanted it and that's the way it is. So, screw them.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)The conservatives do have a valid point when it comes to Maher. Sexism is sexism and it afflicts both sides of the political spectrum.
Limbaugh is vile; I don't think that anyone here would disagree. But, I think that Maher comes in a close second. Calling Palin the "C" word and Bachman a "twa*" is as inappropriate as Limbaugh calling Fluke a slut and a prostitute.
One of the most disappointing things of the last presidential campaign was that sexism on the left was as bad as on the right. The only difference was the hypocrisy of those who only condemned the right and gave the left a pass.
Can't have it both ways.
YellowRubberDuckie
(19,736 posts)Maher admits that he is who he is. He admits he's an asshole, he admits he's narcissistic, and he is doing it all for laughs.
You will never hear Rush admit ANY of these things. He's so far up his own ass, if he were to open his mouth, you'd see his own NOSE! Maher doesn't hate women, though. I think it's more of a "I hate women who are fucking idiots" so to speak. And he'll tell you he slept with Ann Coulter and he'll tell you why. I think honesty is the difference between the two. But that's just my opinion. I really enjoyed Religulous. I'm a woman and he doesn't offend me.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)How did that happen??????
YellowRubberDuckie
(19,736 posts)One night during the opening of his show on HBO he said something about her and then said, come on. She's a lot different when she's coming. So I think he banged her at the very least. They are friends, that much I know for sure. But I am friends with many people who do not share my political views.
Duckie
Beacool
(30,251 posts)That was a tacky remark. A man shouldn't brag about his sexual conquests, at least not in public.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)his hatred should have no place to be spewed.
SalviaBlue
(2,918 posts)Limbaugh should only appear on pay tv/radio... not on our free airwaves in every town in the country to the exclusion of any other point of view.
I cannot turn my local radio on and hear anything but dittoheads.
I don't have to tune into Maher on HBO or even subscribe to HBO if I find him objectionable. Yet, the radio stations with the best signals carry either Limbaugh or religious garbage, sometimes simultaneously on other stations in the same areas. You can't tune in any radio talk show stations without running into him, his clones or the Jesus crowd 24/7.
Initech
(100,101 posts)DutchLiberal
(5,744 posts)What I like best about him is that he often says thing we all know to be true, but are too afraid to say out loud because the PC police might catch us.
godai
(2,902 posts)To compare Limbaugh and what he said to the no limits freedom of a comedian is beyond ridiculous.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)That's really the guy you're throwing in with? The guy you want to praise for saying things you think are true but you can't say?
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)What is the problem with eliminating favoritism in going after anyone who spouts sexism on the airwaves?
Huh?
What is the problem with that? Can anyone explain the problem with that?
godai
(2,902 posts)Keep pushing Limbaugh=Maher=???? and the Limbaugh firestorm will be gone.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)godai
(2,902 posts)Who brought up Maher and his $1M donation to Obama? The right wing, who hope to deflect and minimize focus on Limbaugh. Then, the Maher haters come out of the woodwork and promote Limbaugh=Maher. Thanks for nothing.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)You are either against people who spew sexist crap on the airwaves or you are for them. There is never any such thing as in-between.
Oh and going after ALL sexist offenders has never, ever hurt the cause.
Any more objections against going after ALL sexists? Or do you have a few more excuses and defenses for these losers? What's your agenda? Why are you trying to defend CERTAIN people who make these remarks?
Limbaugh is going down for good. Next is everyone else who pulls this crap.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Are you an evangelical? Because to boycott every comedian who says something "sexist" seems like something they would want.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)sexism is okay as long as it's done by a "liberal".
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)boycott Lisa Lampanelli too?
godai
(2,902 posts)Don't watch Maher, but he's not going away. There are many bigger issues than words comedians use.
You sound like Bush, with the with us or against comments.
This ends my responses.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Go ahead and call that a strong rational case.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)defending Maher because some people aren't willing to be consistent.
DutchLiberal
(5,744 posts)Limbaugh has made a living out of demeaning and denigrating women on an almost daily basis for the past 15 years.
Maher has repeatedly stood up for womens' rights, both on his tv show and his stand-up routines. Not only for individual women who were the target of right-wing scum, like Hillary Clinton, Sherly Sherrod and Sonia Sotamayor; but also for all women, like when he defended womens' right to decide over their own reproductive system when the Republicans started their crusade against it.
And yes, occasionally Maher has made 'offensive' jokes about a woman/women. He did the same thing about men, by the way. Way more often. The difference is: when men are the target of his colorful, edgy humor, you never hear anybody complain. But make a joke about a woman, and everybody throws a fit. Some women feel they should be exempt of being made fun of.
Maher has also made occasional jokes about Asians ('bad drivers') and black people, but he draws on stereotypes that we already have ourselves, and that's what makes it funny. It doesn't make him a racist for drawing upon our stereotypes. I love it when his audience goes all "oooooh" and "aaaah" and starts to hiss. Some people are just too sensitive to handle anything.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)But misandry is for another day. Today the issue of misogyny is so huge and obvious that it has to be priority #1.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)I'm still laughing over here. Plenty of DU men are concerned about "attacks on men" (ahem) and bring the topic up regularly. Most often in the context of women's issues, strangely.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)You might be revealing more about yourself than you want to be doing here...
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Lisa Lampanelli too, no?
Initech
(100,101 posts)The GOP isn't happy about the Limbaugh backlash and they're trying to turn us against our own - I'm not buying it, that's exactly what they want. They'll get Maher off the air before we get Limbaugh, that's their strategy and it works every time.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Initech
(100,101 posts)I really hate to agree with something that Limbaugh said but he's right when he said that gangsta rappers and comedians have got away with saying far worse things about women. This Maher thing is just a distraction for us and it is working in the GOP's favor.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)countryjake
(8,554 posts)rather than "disgusting Rush Limbaugh" which they were shouting from the rooftops all last week...thanks to the right-wing's craft of reframing this issue to beat us down. And it only took them one short week.
It's no wonder that the rights of women to control their own fertility continue to be under attack in this country.
Initech
(100,101 posts)applegrove
(118,777 posts)Million dollar public donations became a flood.
arthritisR_US
(7,291 posts)Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)then of course HBO. He hasn't always said things that I agreed with, but he doesn't put the little guy down like Rush does. Bill seems to at least have a heart under all that cynicism. Rush has a cold, ruthless heart.