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Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 05:37 PM Mar 2012

We need to reframe the debate on contraception, there is nothing wrong with enjoying sex...

or seeking pleasure in sex as often or however you like, as long as the parties are consenting, this goes for men and women, homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, omnisexual, it shouldn't matter. The key is this, contraception, in all its forms, are a way to protect ourselves from preventable diseases and conditions, period. Condoms help protect against unwanted pregnancies and STDs, BC against unwanted pregnancies, etc.

This slut shaming is atrocious, its sexist and completely unjustified, I'm a man, and if I bang 10 women in a week, I get a high five, if I was a woman, I'd be called a whore or worse. This is outrageous, I would be more than happy to pay a little extra on insurance or taxes to help make sure that every woman on the planet, much less the country, had access to free BC, EC, whatever works for them.

We need a cultural shift, that its ok for woman to enjoy sex for what it is, a pleasurable activity that harms no one, when practiced responsibly, and we should encourage the responsibility part. Comprehensive and accurate sex education in school, hell, give out condoms and BC like fucking candy in Middle and High School, that would be the responsible thing for the government to do. Calling women names and telling them to be ashamed of their sexuality is counterproductive, and oddly enough, for most of these so called "Pro-Life" nitwits, anti-life affirming.

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We need to reframe the debate on contraception, there is nothing wrong with enjoying sex... (Original Post) Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 OP
Well put Prophet 451 Mar 2012 #1
All the nice girls I knew, including the one I'm going to marry, do. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #7
Great post. Rec'd and agree. Unfortunately, the rethugs are babylonsister Mar 2012 #2
Totally agree. Bowing down and reframing the debate in terms of LadyHawkAZ Mar 2012 #3
Exactly, my fiancee and I use condoms, in addition she is on BC... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #5
I'm a nice girl all american girl Mar 2012 #4
A nice person is one who always has consideration for others... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #6
As a married woman, I wanted sex "WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES" HockeyMom Mar 2012 #8
i believe hubbys insurance paid for his snip snip. that is the ultimate in seabeyond Mar 2012 #11
Absolutely HockeyMom Mar 2012 #12
then, men are going to have to no longer have ownership of womens sexuality seabeyond Mar 2012 #9
Nice boys and girls do. Nice men and women do too. saras Mar 2012 #10
My religion says that sex between married partners is to be enjoyed. stufl Mar 2012 #13

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
3. Totally agree. Bowing down and reframing the debate in terms of
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:16 PM
Mar 2012

only medical necessity, lest we offend the wingnuts with the fact of our sexuality, isn't helping us at all.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
5. Exactly, my fiancee and I use condoms, in addition she is on BC...
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:26 PM
Mar 2012

the Depo Prevera shot, or however its spelled. Double up on protection, just in case, because we are not ready yet to have a child. Typically enough, we are both raised Catholic, my parents also used birth control when needed, and my dad got snipped years ago after my sister was born.

This is taking responsibility for your actions, but sex isn't a crime, it isn't dirty, its life affirming, bonding, and enjoyable. Its something we do, like most things in life, it carries a risk, and we should reduce those risks when possible, whether pregnancy, stds, etc.

Hell, I really want them to come out with a BC pill for men, I will be honest and say I don't enjoy condoms too much, but I use them anyway, because its the right thing to do.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
4. I'm a nice girl
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:20 PM
Mar 2012

I love sex. I think it's great, but I'm a nice girl because I'm just nice. When I go to the grocery store, I let the person behind me go first if they have less. I hold open the door for people, because it's the right thing to do. And I say HI to people and give a nice smile. I'm a good girl. And this good girl enjoys sex and I will not let some narrow minded, wing-nut tell me different.

I think we need to stand up and quit letting these fools write the narrative.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
6. A nice person is one who always has consideration for others...
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:29 PM
Mar 2012

you sound like a nice person, and your sexual practices are irrelevent, you enjoy sex, so do I, nice people rock because we try to pleasure our partners as best as possible!

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
8. As a married woman, I wanted sex "WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES"
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:52 PM
Mar 2012

as in I, and my husband, wanted to control how many children we had. We did not want to be at mercy of biology, a Pope, or some policitican telling us to either be CELIBATE or have as many children as GOD WANTS.

No, thank you.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
12. Absolutely
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 08:03 PM
Mar 2012

and how it should be. Women have a right to contraception, and so do men. They keep mentioning women, but the Catholic Church is against vasectomies also.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
9. then, men are going to have to no longer have ownership of womens sexuality
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:58 PM
Mar 2012

and women are going to have to quit handing it over.

that takes a brain shift.

the simple comment getting some. implies the woman is "giving". she is getting it, too. we have to get beyond sex being all male, all the time, all consuming, and recognize it is a two way street.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
10. Nice boys and girls do. Nice men and women do too.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:59 PM
Mar 2012

Ever notice that sex education doesn't mention pleasure unless radicals (i.e. Susie Bright) are doing it?

The more overt pleasure as a goal is, the larger proportion of sexual experimentation in youth can be relatively risk-free non-penetrative, or even non-genital, pleasuring. As with any other field of experience and knowledge, the more conscious development of positive activities, the happier, more satisfied, and more skilled the practitioner.

Fucking is easy, and you don't even have to like each other that much, or want to fuck, exactly. Having an exquisite petting session requires real attention and caring.

Much more from Judith Levine's decade-old but still excellent Harmful To Minors, on the right's attack on the entire sexual revolution, particularly how it affects the young, here at the U of Minnesota.

In America today, it is nearly impossible to publish a book that says children and teenagers can have sexual pleasure and be safe too.


"It's a courageous book," he wrote me, "for which, as these chapters make abundantly and depressingly clear, the timing probably couldn't be worse."


As one public-health researcher told me, "Most sexually active teens are not very sexually active."


At midcentury, 40 percent of teenagers reported having premarital sex, 25 percent of girls...by 1984, the proportion of...women was just under half. Today (2000) it remains at 50 percent. ...in the 1950s...America had the highest rate of teen marriage in the Western World.
The quantity stays the same. The quality varies.




stufl

(96 posts)
13. My religion says that sex between married partners is to be enjoyed.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 08:05 PM
Mar 2012

And there is no mention at all of contraception because it did not exist 2500 years ago. Beside that, as a Reform Jew, I have the right to observe that which makes sense for out times. And I strongly, STRONGLY, believe in that and do not want anyone dictating my beliefs.

My wife concurs.

A benefit offered by an insurance company can be accepted or rejected based on the beliefs of the insured. The organization is then out of the loop.

More straws at which to grasp. Yoy!

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