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Beacool

(30,251 posts)
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 10:39 AM Nov 2013

Here's Why Hillary Clinton Shouldn't Be Threatened By Elizabeth Warren

By Mark Blumenthal & Emily Swanson
November 20, 2013

The 2016 elections are still a long way off, but that hasn't stopped some pundits from urging Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren to challenge Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination.

While neither Clinton nor Warren has announced her plans for 2016, a new HuffPost/YouGov poll found little evidence for one critical assumption behind the Warren boomlet: that potential Democratic primary voters supposedly perceive Clinton as too accommodating to Wall Street.

The poll found that among Americans who said they typically vote in Democratic primaries, just 20 percent believe a President Hillary Clinton "would be too accommodating to Wall Street and big banks," while more than twice as many (49 percent) think Clinton would "stand up to Wall Street and big banks." Nearly one-third (31 percent) said they were not sure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/20/hillary-clinton-elizabeth-warren-poll_n_4305106.html

It is too soon to start the 2016 speculation and infighting. There will be plenty of time for candidates to announce after the 2014 midterm elections. In the meantime, the Democratic party is going to face an uphill battle next year, particularly if the glitches with the ACA do not get fixed and if not enough people sign up. These battles we are currently having are not productive and will not even matter if the party gets shellacked next November.

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Here's Why Hillary Clinton Shouldn't Be Threatened By Elizabeth Warren (Original Post) Beacool Nov 2013 OP
Twenty percent is nothing to sneeze at, especially since the TPP winter is coming Nov 2013 #1
I smile every time some DUer tries to put the TPP at Hillary's feet. DURHAM D Nov 2013 #3
This......... Beacool Nov 2013 #6
I don't think the "dutiful" excuse will be nearly so convincing as you think, winter is coming Nov 2013 #7
Right... Given that she won't be involved DURHAM D Nov 2013 #8
Apparently Huffpo is unaware of both opposition research and the right-wing media power. Scuba Nov 2013 #2
Obama has no chance. Have you seen the national polls? Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #4
Not even a close comparison. Beacool Nov 2013 #9
True Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #10
And look how well it went. Beacool Nov 2013 #11
He did the same thing Clinton did - lost Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #12
You must be joking. Beacool Nov 2013 #13
The Patriots almost had a perfect season in 2007 Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #16
Now you made me smile. Beacool Nov 2013 #19
She served ably as SOS - she'll be a great VP too Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #21
I doubt that she would take it. Beacool Nov 2013 #22
If she turns it down she'd be killing the hopes and dreams of so many Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #23
We've never had a woman president either. Beacool Nov 2013 #26
Serving as VP will clear the field for her in 2024 Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #28
"threatened" hfojvt Nov 2013 #5
Warren will not threaten Hillary, but Bernie Sanders could be a pain in her butt Larkspur Nov 2013 #14
That could be a possibility. Beacool Nov 2013 #18
We need to change that so that voters know the truth cali Nov 2013 #15
Looks like Huffpo's readers know the score. Laelth Nov 2013 #20
A self selected poll on the internet is indicative sufrommich Nov 2013 #25
If you say so. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #27
Interesting article. Laelth Nov 2013 #17
That's OK. Beacool Nov 2013 #24
I assume, without question, that Elizabeth Warren means exactly what she says. Laelth Nov 2013 #29
It is too early to be discussing 2016 Gothmog Nov 2013 #30
That was part of the reason why I posted this article. Beacool Nov 2013 #32
I agree with your views on this Gothmog Nov 2013 #33
Thank you. Beacool Nov 2013 #34
I don't think Warren will run. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #31
Yes - don't start thinking about the future... polichick Nov 2013 #35
Goldman pays Hillary $200k per speech LittleBlue Nov 2013 #36

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
3. I smile every time some DUer tries to put the TPP at Hillary's feet.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 10:54 AM
Nov 2013

TPP belongs to President Obama and while working for him she was dutiful in her job as SOS but by 2016 she will be four years removed from implementing his directives.

I think it is amusing that those upset with President Obama over this matter work hard to blame it on Hillary as if she was the President and not him. Serious disconnect...

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
7. I don't think the "dutiful" excuse will be nearly so convincing as you think,
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 10:59 AM
Nov 2013

if the TPP passes. There's going to be plenty of outrage to go around on this one, and anyone remotely associated with it is likely to be blamed, for years to come.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
8. Right... Given that she won't be involved
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:03 AM
Nov 2013

in the negotiations, passing, or implementation that is just silly.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
2. Apparently Huffpo is unaware of both opposition research and the right-wing media power.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 10:48 AM
Nov 2013

AFP and other winger attack ads on Clinton will expose her, not to the Republican base who were taught to hate her decades ago, but to the Democratic base, most of whom are unaware of her ties to Wall Street and WalMart.

Beacool

(30,251 posts)
9. Not even a close comparison.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:03 AM
Nov 2013

I think that there will be several candidates running in 2016, but if Hillary does choose to run, I think that Liz will stick to her guns and not run. I don't see neither Biden nor Warren running against Hillary, if she runs. They respect and like each other. In Biden's case, they have been friends for years.

Beacool

(30,251 posts)
11. And look how well it went.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:17 AM
Nov 2013

I like him, he's a decent man, but he did extremely poorly in his last two attempts. Aside from the fact that he's already in his 70s. It wouldn't be realistic for him to run.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
12. He did the same thing Clinton did - lost
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:22 AM
Nov 2013

I think she should sit this one out and wait her turn.

It's Joe's time to be President.

Beacool

(30,251 posts)
13. You must be joking.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:26 AM
Nov 2013

Biden barely garnered around 1% of the vote, Hillary missed the nomination by a hair. There's no comparison.

There's also no clamoring for a Biden run. The Democratic party will not nominate in 2016 a 74 year old man. There will be other more viable candidates in the running.

I think that Biden is a terrific person, but he's not going to be our nominee.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
16. The Patriots almost had a perfect season in 2007
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:37 AM
Nov 2013

Look, maybe Joe can tap her to be his Vice President.

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
14. Warren will not threaten Hillary, but Bernie Sanders could be a pain in her butt
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:26 AM
Nov 2013

if he uses the Presidential primary stage to promote progressive values that most Americans support.
It would push Hillary to the left and force her to make a public statement about income inequality and how Wall Street profits off of it.

Beacool

(30,251 posts)
18. That could be a possibility.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 12:03 PM
Nov 2013

Although he stated that he wouldn't run as a "spoiler" and would only run if he thought that he had a chance of winning. Bernie I do se getting into the mix to stir things up.

I think that the decision to run (everybody, not just him) will depend on public opinion next year. If it looks like we won't have a chance in 2016, some may decide to sit it out.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
15. We need to change that so that voters know the truth
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:28 AM
Nov 2013

that she is up to her neck in Wall Street entanglements.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
20. Looks like Huffpo's readers know the score.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 12:10 PM
Nov 2013

As these graphics demonstrate:





If so, the electorate just needs to be educated. Sane and informed liberals are rightly concerned about Hillary's connections to Wall Street, and we think very highly of Elizabeth Warren.

-Laelth

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
17. Interesting article.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:57 AM
Nov 2013

I think the authors are misguided, mind you, but it was interesting, all the same.

While I'm here, let me offer the following:

Help encourage Elizabeth Warren to run for President in 2016 by writing to her or e-mailing her here:

The Honorable Elizabeth Warren
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Phone: (202) 224-4543

E-mail her here.

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Beacool

(30,251 posts)
24. That's OK.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 12:19 PM
Nov 2013

No harm in expressing a preference for a politician. I still think that she meant what she said, but time will tell.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
29. I assume, without question, that Elizabeth Warren means exactly what she says.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 12:47 PM
Nov 2013

That doesn't mean she can't change her mind. She's a politician, after all. She keeps her options open.



-Laelth

Gothmog

(145,553 posts)
30. It is too early to be discussing 2016
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 01:22 PM
Nov 2013

The article cited in the OP is a good article and has some interesting polling data in it.




I like Warren and gave her money in 2012 but I am going to wait until after 2014 before I worry about the nominee. I suspect that things will be clearer after the 2014 midterms. I am not convinced that Hillary Clinton is a horrible choice or that she would not stand up to Wall Street. I am also not convinced that Senator Warren could be a stronger candidate compared to Hillary Clinton in a general election and I seriously doubt that Senator Warren would be competitive in Texas. Texans like Hillary Clinton and I believe Hillary Clinton would have a far better chance in Texas and other states compared to Senator Warren

Beacool

(30,251 posts)
32. That was part of the reason why I posted this article.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 03:00 PM
Nov 2013

First, and most important, if we don't get cracking working on the midterm elections we are going to get clobbered.

Second, because The New Republic notwithstanding, there doesn't seem to be at present a huge outcry across the party for a Warren nomination.

Third, it's too soon for these silly food fights. There'll be enough people who will make a decision about running in 2016 after the midterms, no need to start arguing right now.

Gothmog

(145,553 posts)
33. I agree with your views on this
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 03:03 PM
Nov 2013

I was agreeing with your position. I found the article to be very interesting

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