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http://www.businessinsider.com/why-a-nobel-laureate-is-telling-his-students-to-go-to-other-countries-2013-11Yesterday afternoon, nine American Nobel laureates all gathered at the House of Sweden to share their work in an informal symposium.
While much of the discussion was limited to the topic areas of certain laureates, one thing that almost all of them could agree on was that the federal government's reduction in research funding was a terrible development.
James Rothman, who won the prize in medicine, believes that the cuts make the U.S. unable to retain the world's top young scientists. In fact, he said he now tells his students to go abroad.
"I actually advise my students not to stay in the United States," he said. "Frankly, if I were 10 years younger, that's exactly what I would do."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-a-nobel-laureate-is-telling-his-students-to-go-to-other-countries-2013-11#ixzz2lCfXZpkm
northoftheborder
(7,574 posts)Even lower rates for certain things, such as education, poverty rate.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)That is our priority, it seems. That and providing handouts to corporations and big Ag.
tina tron
(160 posts)only if your goal is to kill, pulverize and irradiate things. Not so first rate when it come to defusing conflict.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Defusing conflicts should be left to the UN and its police force.
hatrack
(59,592 posts)Leaving us with shit.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts).................................................
House of Representatives Budget Chairman, Paul Ryan (R-WI), released a 10-year spending plan on Tuesday. The plan claims to balance the federal budget within the next 10 years, through deep cuts of roughly $4.6 trillion, which is more than the entire federal budget for FY 2012. The plan imposes extreme cuts to non-defense discretionary programs, which include line-items such as the National Institutes of Health (NIH), Head Start, education, and air traffic control. These cuts will take place by imposing a 414-billion-dollar cap on non-defense discretionary spending for FY 2014, which starts on October 1st. To put this into perspective, this cap means that about $167 billion will be cut from these programs in FY 2014, accounting for the sequester cuts that took effect on March 1st. While the sequester cuts have dealt a devastating 5.1% cut to NIH funding for the remainder of this year, the House plan could mean more than a 10% cut to the NIH budget in FY 2014. The graph on the right shows the deep cuts to NIH for FY 2013 after the sequester, and the cuts that will take place for FY 2014 if Rep. Ryans budget is adopted.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/shocker-republican-budgets-devastate-nih-funding/
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)And climate refugees, as well as climate change, are contributing to outbreaks of diseases not previously known in the US,
like dengue fever outbreak in Texas, said a recent article.
Hopefully saner heads will prevail over the typical Republican slash and burn, to the dark ages return, budget.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)with teahadists being voted into office by good amerikans to destroy government, take needed entitlements and health care from those who need it, a woman's right to decisions concerning her own body being abrogated, with unarmed blacks being shot down in the streets like dogs and their killers walking the streets free men, with Jesus used as an excuse to hate and destroy????? Not turning into, already there and heading toward the third rate, fast.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)My oldest is going into engineering and the youngest is thinking about medicine. My oldest already ready knows the college she will exchange to in Europe (Exeter).
rurallib
(62,448 posts)To sort of quote Chalmers Johnson "go to Vancouver and watch America blow up from just over the border."
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)They ignored me.
and today, where I live, people are desperate to find a good elelctrician, or plumber.
The 2 in this area we know of are too busy to show up in less than 3 weeks.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)plumber or electrician. I want to line up my oldest with a coworker's son who is studying to be a lineman now (a great occupation by the way at least according to my friend).
goldent
(1,582 posts)It is an important job for out society, with reasonable expectation of long-term employment. Lineman are often unionized.
rurallib
(62,448 posts)that is one hot topic of discussion.
My advice is to get a paper that says you are a plumber or electrician and then if you want to go to regular college you have a fall back position.
Orrex
(63,223 posts)That's just as good as science and medicine, right?
phantom power
(25,966 posts)Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)I should have majored in classical archaeology instead.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)Sadly, she has - as teenagers are wont to do - decided against my advice.
LittleGirl
(8,291 posts)now US citizen and I are already planning to return to Europe soon. Husband is scared shitless about these right to work laws and does NOT like being insecure on the job front here. We're very lucky that we are not in poverty but he wants to return to Europe to get back his 5-6 weeks of vacation, universal health care, public transportation and safety nets that you can actually live on in case you do lose a job over there. (He and I are nervous of this gun culture). He is in his mid-40s and has never felt so job insecure in his life and I see the stress making him grayer and grayer. (We lived abroad from '07-'09 after we got married in '06). As a citizen, I am very disappointed with my country and sad that I even asked him to come here. I was wrong. I made a mistake and now, I want to go back and live like a real socialist.
edit: grammar
pampango
(24,692 posts)It is worthwhile to remember that there is an alternative lifestyle that national wealth - which the US and Europe both have - allows.
eppur_se_muova
(36,287 posts)I have had zero luck in finding any openings abroad.
polichick
(37,152 posts)The land of opportunity is elsewhere these days - not to mention the land of sanity.
progressoid
(49,998 posts)USA! USA! USA!
RussBLib
(9,034 posts)Just try to find an American chiropractor who is well-versed enough about the musculature and the nervous system of the human body to provide good adjustments and alignments. Most of them are pretty far off into woo-woo land nowadays: crystals; pyramid power; laser light baths are just a few of the things America's chiros are getting into, to the neglect of really knowing the human body.
You pretty much have to leave the U.S. to find a knowledgeable chiropractor.
Mark Baker
(94 posts)since they believe most illnesses are caused by fictional things called subluxations. (If they don't believe that crap, they're not really chiropractors).
There is some limited evidence that spinal manipulation can be helpful against back pain, but you're best off going to a physio who actually knows about the human body and doesn't believe in all the woo.
Going to a chiropractor also has a fairly high risk of causing serious problems including paralysis.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)when the christians took over, burned the libraries and killed
Hypatia to what this scientist is saying.
The city was a beacon for learning as was the US at one time
But that's PROGRESS....... which is a bad word now.
avebury
(10,952 posts)start over I wouldn't think even twice of leaving the US. I really think that this country is in an irreversible decline which is really kind of to be expected. Look at history thru the ages, one entity rises up and is supreme, goes into a decline and then a new entity rises to the top, and so on and so on. With our pouring endless money into the military and out of control conservatives/teapartiers doing their best to destroy this country, the rate of our decline is speeding up.
Yes, if I were younger I would be looking around to see where true opportunity exists. If I had ever had children I would have encouraged them to do the same thing.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)If I were just a bit younger I think I'd do it - and as is I am keeping that option open if it gets bad and dysfunctional enough.
goldent
(1,582 posts)He is a product of our great university system, having spent over 40 years at the best of the best (Yale, Harvard, MIT, Stanford). I imagine along the way he and his students have benefited from many federal grants and fellowships. And this great system of universities and government research has led him to his profession's greatest prize.
So federal funding of research has been reduced in recent years, due in some part to our current circumstances, and this is how he reacts? What a bitter man! I feel sorry for his students, and hope they don't take his advice.
Edit for typo.
frustrated_lefty
(2,774 posts)exactly how bleak the landscape is for researchers. Funding rates for several agencies are down to 6%, meaning only 1 out of roughly 17 applicants receive funding. The end result is we have a lot of established scientists leaving the field, giving up on research, and transitioning to different career paths.
The advice he offers is good advice. We've been advising our students to simply not go into research. It's unfortunate, but without funding there is no research.
goldent
(1,582 posts)but the impression the reporting gives is that he used his moment of glory to encourage researchers to leave the US, after having ridden the US research system to the top. I think a more appropriate comment for that moment would be to point out that federal funding of research has shrunk, and needs to be (re)grown for the US to maintain its position.
Having said that, he is a researcher and researchers are not known for their tact.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)rantings that are slowly destroying our leadership in many fields.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Not the way they used to, and not the way they should. We are most certainly on the decline as a country. I wouldn't blame anybody especially young people for leaving. My daughter has a couple of years of French under her belt and I wouldn't doubt it a bit if she went abroad for a while or maybe for good.