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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:01 PM Nov 2013

Question for current or former DU waitstaff re tipping

Do (or did) you have a strong order of preference between:

1. Customer pays in cash and tips in cash;
2. Customer pays by credit card and tips in cash;
3. Customer pays by credit card and leaves the tip on the credit card.

I usually do (1) or (2) if I have the right bills, but if I don't I will often do (3) just to save time and avoid having to ask the server to split bills or make change. But it would be good to get the opinion of someone who has first-hand experience.

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Question for current or former DU waitstaff re tipping (Original Post) Nye Bevan Nov 2013 OP
It depends upon the moment and what is in my wallet. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #2
Interesting question Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #3
I always told my sons…if you can afford to go to a restaurant, you can afford to leave a tip…. Tikki Nov 2013 #4
the irs has always considered 100% of tips taxable. unblock Nov 2013 #9
Quick thread hijack, don't think my question is important enough for an OP Revanchist Nov 2013 #5
We have a similar tax (10%) Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #6
What is the main purpose of a restaurant tax? seveneyes Nov 2013 #11
We're considered a "tourist destination" (Virginia Beach / Hampton Roads) Revanchist Nov 2013 #15
In DC, it's to soak the tourists and carpetbaggers Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #19
Pre-tax zipplewrath Nov 2013 #21
It never mattered to me. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #23
mrs. unblock was waitstaff for a long time unblock Nov 2013 #7
you want I should kick some germophobe ass, unblock? Skittles Nov 2013 #26
Usually all on credit card FreeJoe Nov 2013 #8
mrs. unblock got her credit card tips on the following weekly paycheck. unblock Nov 2013 #12
Credit card readers at the table FreeJoe Nov 2013 #16
We got our credit card tips at the end of the shift, but that policy may vary. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #24
I preferred cash tip. Then you don't have to report to boss for taxes NightWatcher Nov 2013 #10
They presume zipplewrath Nov 2013 #22
I like to tip in cash, and in multiple amounts of bills (usually in $5s and $1s) haele Nov 2013 #13
Ask your server what they prefer. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #14
I don't do restaurants anymore. But when I did HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #17
My experience was 15 yo stopwastingmymoney Nov 2013 #18
I've worked both front of the house, waiter, and back of the house, assistant manager. pinto Nov 2013 #20
Thanks. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #27
I own a coffee shop and here's how we split tips: taught_me_patience Nov 2013 #25
Cash is always good but I wouldn't turn down a credit card tip lunatica Nov 2013 #28

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
1. It depends upon the moment and what is in my wallet.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:03 PM
Nov 2013

What I always do, however, is hand the tip and/or leather folder to the server.

Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #1)

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
3. Interesting question
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:09 PM
Nov 2013

My sister-in-law used to wait tables, and said she always preferred cash tips; that was years ago, so I have no idea if things have changed, but I still try to do that if I have the exact tip amount in my wallet. I never pay cash for the bill, though; the cash-back deal on my credit card takes priority there.

Tikki

(14,559 posts)
4. I always told my sons…if you can afford to go to a restaurant, you can afford to leave a tip….
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:19 PM
Nov 2013

This is part of the waitstaff's salary.

Now, I leave 15% always, 20% for good service and have left up to 30% for a
very unique happening.

It depends on how the tips are generated through the restaurant. I never experienced this, but have
heard of places where they pool the tips. I would think tips on charge would be easier to follow.
When I left the restaurant business the IRS was pretty much taxing only the tips on charges so in that case
the cash could be the waitstaffs.
Then I heard that some restaurants were averaging from turn-over, charge tips and asking waitstaff to declare.

It has been mucho years since I hit the floor so I have no idea what's what.
But I respect the work immensely.

Tikki

unblock

(52,317 posts)
9. the irs has always considered 100% of tips taxable.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:44 PM
Nov 2013

what's changed is the enforcement. in the past, they had no real way to get at the cash tips, so they only looked to the credit card tips. you could get away with reporting zero tips beyond what showed up on credit cards.

then they irs started (a) assuming that you got some cash tips and (b) looking to the restaurants for total income to back into an estimate of implied cash tips. they couldn't know exactly, so you still have some wiggle room in what you report, but you generally can't get away with reporting zero cash tips the way you used to. assuming you actually get audited, of course.

again, in any event, notwithstanding that waitstaff pay sucks, the right thing to do is to declare 100% of your tips, period. i have plenty of friends who are or used to be in the restaurant business and mine is an unpopular view but i'm sticking with it.

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
5. Quick thread hijack, don't think my question is important enough for an OP
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:29 PM
Nov 2013

When you tip do you tip the amount of the meal or the meal plus taxes? I'm curious because where I live we have a 10.5% restaurant tax in addition to the normal 5% sales tax so the difference can be pricey for a large bill

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
11. What is the main purpose of a restaurant tax?
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:46 PM
Nov 2013

I'm thinking it is to cover the expense of health/food inspections. Seeing the 10% number, it sounds like it must cover a lot more than that expense.

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
15. We're considered a "tourist destination" (Virginia Beach / Hampton Roads)
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:52 PM
Nov 2013

So they keep the state sales tax low and make up for it with higher taxes on things like restaurants and hotels.

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
19. In DC, it's to soak the tourists and carpetbaggers
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 03:00 PM
Nov 2013

The regular sales tax is a reasonable 5.75%. But for those activities enjoyed disproportionately by tourists and by DC's wealthier (and largely non-native) political class, the prices go up: restaurant meals are taxed at 10% (as is alcohol), hotels are taxed at 14.5%, and parking (in commercial lots) at 18%.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
21. Pre-tax
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 04:16 PM
Nov 2013

The tip is on the pretax amount. Most servers don't know this of course so I don't know what you do about this.

Flip side is, if anything is "comped" or otherwise reduced in price for some reason, you tip based upon the normal "Full" price. If you bring your own bottle of wine, one might want to consider an adjustment for that cost savings as well.

LuvNewcastle

(16,855 posts)
23. It never mattered to me.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 04:54 PM
Nov 2013

When I waited tables, I didn't do calculations pre-tax and after-tax. I just looked at the tip as either stingy, about right, or generous. Servers usually don't worry about differences that are less than a dollar or two.

unblock

(52,317 posts)
7. mrs. unblock was waitstaff for a long time
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:33 PM
Nov 2013

she said that most prefer tips in cash because they can better hide it from (a) the irs and (b) their employer, to avoid having to tip-out to the rest of the staff (if applicable; not all restaurants do this).

i recognize that waitstaff is underpaid and believe in tipping generously (20% after tax is my baseline, 25% is common); however, i have zero sympathy for avoiding taxes or sharing tips with fellow employees where that is the expected practice.

for my own reasons (tracking my expenses) i prefer to pay for everything via cards, and i see no reason to handle tips differently.


on the other hand, mrs. unblock is a bit of a germaphobe and in that light did have a preference for handling plastic rather than cash.

FreeJoe

(1,039 posts)
8. Usually all on credit card
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:37 PM
Nov 2013

I don't work in the industry, but when I go to restaurants, I usually always use a credit card. I use it for virutally everything because it makes it easier for me to track my spending.

As for tips, I think credit cards provided a couple of other advantages. For restaurants with tip pooling (sharing tips between waitstaff and other staff), it reduces fraud. It also helps to insure that the full transaction is reported and that the appropriate taxes are paid on it. I'm disgusted by many of the small business owners I know that do undeclared cash based work to evade taxes. I seem this similarly, althought on a smaller scale.

One concern I have is on the timeliness of waitstaff receiving their share of credit card tips. Does that get paid out immediately? Or is there a lengthy lag?

unblock

(52,317 posts)
12. mrs. unblock got her credit card tips on the following weekly paycheck.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:46 PM
Nov 2013

so a delay of roughly 1-2 weeks.

FreeJoe

(1,039 posts)
16. Credit card readers at the table
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:52 PM
Nov 2013

I should also add that I would really like to see all credit cards use a PIN and that the card should never leave the customers hand during transactions. That's not relevant to the topic, but I thought I'd add it in as a vent anyway because staying on topic is not one of my strengths.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
10. I preferred cash tip. Then you don't have to report to boss for taxes
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:44 PM
Nov 2013

They take (or took) taxes out of claimed tips. It's easier to pocket cash, where tips on slips get counted and reported before you ever see them. Plus I used to have to wait 3-5 days to get my tips from slips.

That was back during college. Don't know if things have changed.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
22. They presume
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 04:18 PM
Nov 2013

As I understand it, many restaurants, and maybe even the IRS are presuming something like a 15%, whether it's on the bill or not. So I tend to put 15% on the bill, and then if I want to give more than 15%, I'll leave it in cash.

haele

(12,676 posts)
13. I like to tip in cash, and in multiple amounts of bills (usually in $5s and $1s)
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:48 PM
Nov 2013

Usually around 20%; since I start out with "please", "thank you", and always try to be courteous to the wait staff (even if there's mistakes), I tend to recieve good service.

I figure if I split up the bills, a good waiter can handle any tip sharing situation more economically.

Haele

stopwastingmymoney

(2,042 posts)
18. My experience was 15 yo
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:54 PM
Nov 2013

Then. We were required to claim the higher of 8% of sales or credit card tips. Thing was you also had to tip out bartender and busser so sometimes that number was more than you actually went home with. I tip in cash whenever I can for that reason.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
20. I've worked both front of the house, waiter, and back of the house, assistant manager.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 03:49 PM
Nov 2013

Cash tips are easier all around. Customers using a card get a receipt for the meal. This was in No. VA, DC suburb so many dinners were business related. Customer's receipt was their write off. Tip was separate.

Cash tips saved some work for the cashier - no need to ring up the bill + tip then cash out the tip to the staff. Easier for management to track actual income for the business.

A 10% share of tips, iirc, was standard for bus staff. In our place this was done individually, one on one. End of the night each waiter would hand bus staff 10%. I'd kick it up sometimes if we had a big table - that entails a lot of coordination to pull it all off smoothly. 20% on those tables seemed the right thing to do.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
25. I own a coffee shop and here's how we split tips:
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:01 PM
Nov 2013

Cash: Split evenly at the end of the shift
Credit: 2.7% credit card processing fee taken out and the rest is split between all that worked that day proportional to hours worked. This allows a better distribution between morning and afternoon shifts. Morning baristas make $15-$30 in cash tips per shift while afternoon baristas typically make $3-$8 cash tips per shift. Every barista gets at least one afternoon shift per week.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
28. Cash is always good but I wouldn't turn down a credit card tip
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 06:52 PM
Nov 2013

I declared my tips every month (it was what all the other waiters and waitresses were declaring as we agreed to do) and rarely saw a paycheck for more than a couple of dollars. They took it out of your paychecks.

With cash it's much easier to spread the wealth with the bus boys, bartenders and kitchen staff. Especially the bus boys who were always so helpful about getting more coffee and bread and water and clearing the dishes on the tables which made the customers feel well taken care of which in turn gave them a reason to leave a good tip. You'd be surprised how much better service waiterpeople can give with good bus boys. The bus boys earn their tips from us.

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