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Orrex

(63,220 posts)
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:11 PM Nov 2013

Would a **VERIFIED** deathbed confession from a 2nd gunman change anything?

In all seriousness, what would change if the legendary 2nd gunman were to confess at this point?

I have trouble believing that there would be any accountability at this late date, except perhaps for the confessed shooter himself.


Would there be any other impact, outside of historical curiosity?

[font color=red]Edited to alter the subject line to better reflect the intent of the question.[/font]

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Would a **VERIFIED** deathbed confession from a 2nd gunman change anything? (Original Post) Orrex Nov 2013 OP
Would lend credence to all other conspiracy theories and bog down internet. Hoyt Nov 2013 #1
It would prove to me sharp_stick Nov 2013 #2
It would have to be a great deal more than a deathbed confession. SheilaT Nov 2013 #3
+1 treestar Nov 2013 #24
It would have to be independant verification. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #33
I think it would make little difference defacto7 Nov 2013 #4
There never will be one because there wasn't anybody else responsible. duffyduff Nov 2013 #5
I should have stipulated that I'm on the same page as you Orrex Nov 2013 #7
^^^THIS^^^ Aristus Nov 2013 #8
I have often suspected that Kennedy wrote Shakespeare's plays Orrex Nov 2013 #10
You have it all wrong. thucythucy Nov 2013 #39
More than 200 people came forward and confess to Charles Lindbergh's baby kidnapping Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #6
No get the red out Nov 2013 #9
If they could also provide the gun, or something similar. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #11
Then what? Orrex Nov 2013 #13
If it was confirmed, and not some crank, it would have a huge impact quinnox Nov 2013 #12
We ask those questions all the time. randome Nov 2013 #15
So much would depend on the situation. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #14
I just LOVE these "hypotheticals" parlor games Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #16
I figured that I'd get in on it after reading weeks of JFK CT stuff in GD Orrex Nov 2013 #21
The world will never know the true facts of what occurred, my motives Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #17
RFK's own children revealed RFK considered the Warren Commission ''shoddy workmanship.'' Octafish Nov 2013 #18
Two things, I think: first, the internet would implode under the weight petronius Nov 2013 #19
WHY ISN'T THE GOVERNMENT TELLING US ABOUT THIS CONFESSION???11!! MineralMan Nov 2013 #20
At your age do you think Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #22
For me, it would mean nothing with evidence to back it up. arcane1 Nov 2013 #23
There is no statute of limitations on murder. WilliamPitt Nov 2013 #25
But you don't try dead people for murder. JimDandy Nov 2013 #35
Good point. WilliamPitt Nov 2013 #36
Sure. How and why did they plan this? rug Nov 2013 #26
It would change everything since the entire premise is on a lone wolf, loser shooter. Rex Nov 2013 #27
That'd depend on who the second gunman was, I suppose Posteritatis Nov 2013 #28
Not really. However, a memoir from one of Oswald's employers Warpy Nov 2013 #29
The release of all files JackRiddler Nov 2013 #30
Inmate James Files has confessed. Eddie Haskell Nov 2013 #31
"A leading TV executive as witness" HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #37
Well we've got our answer, don't we. Eddie Haskell Nov 2013 #41
Well I'm not on my deathbed so . . . wait - i mean it wouldn't change anything el_bryanto Nov 2013 #32
why, is george hw bush on his deathbed? NightWatcher Nov 2013 #34
The shooters were probably killed straightaway. They were hired guns, I believe. Zen Democrat Nov 2013 #38
Remember how Obama's long form birth certificate was supposed to be tblue37 Nov 2013 #40
Excellent point! Orrex Nov 2013 #42
There is no credible evidence that necessitates considering a second gunman. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #43
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
3. It would have to be a great deal more than a deathbed confession.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:16 PM
Nov 2013

Actually given how police have to contend with false confessions for other crimes, isn't it a bit of a wonder that no one has stepped forward claiming to be another shooter.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
24. +1
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 06:21 PM
Nov 2013

The first reaction would be that it's a false confession.

There would still be a lot to prove to confirm it, especially after 50 years. And the trail is pretty cold.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
4. I think it would make little difference
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:18 PM
Nov 2013

unless the person had unequivocal, substantiated information not before presented and it concurs with the setting and then the denial would be enormous. Otherwise, it's more hearsay for any number reasons. 2038.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
5. There never will be one because there wasn't anybody else responsible.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:19 PM
Nov 2013

All of the forensic technology today shows the bullets were fired from Oswald's rifle up on the sixth floor of the Book Depository.

I am truly astounded that anybody believes conspiracy theories these days. Thirty, forty, or fifty years ago, yes, but not anymore.

Orrex

(63,220 posts)
7. I should have stipulated that I'm on the same page as you
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:25 PM
Nov 2013

The question was meant more for people who support any of the various conspiracy theories.

Aristus

(66,449 posts)
8. ^^^THIS^^^
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:25 PM
Nov 2013

The Kennedy conspiracy enthusiasts remind me of the Oxfordians, people who think that William Shakespeare didn't write the plays attributed to him, and that failure to give credit to some shadowy "other" who did write the plays is part of an elaborate consipiracy to rob the true playwright of his/her credit.

They ignore the available evidence that points toward Shakespeare, and focus instead on things for which there is no evidence; all the while rationalizing that "absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence".

For some unexplainable reason, JFK assassination conspiracy enthusiasts and Shakespeare authorship doubters have fixated on their delusions to the extend of it becoming part of their personal identity. And to give up their delusions would be tantamount to surrendering their identities.

Orrex

(63,220 posts)
10. I have often suspected that Kennedy wrote Shakespeare's plays
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:27 PM
Nov 2013

Funny that you should mention it!

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
6. More than 200 people came forward and confess to Charles Lindbergh's baby kidnapping
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:21 PM
Nov 2013

And murder. So no....any supposed deathbed confession would be treated with all of the skepticism it would deserve.

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
9. No
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:26 PM
Nov 2013

It would get no notice, seriously, it would be impossible for it to have any effect at this point. LOOK! THERE'S BLACK FRIDAY! LOOK! AMERICAN IDOL'S COMING ON. YEA, ANOTHER FEEL GOOD STORY ABOUT A DISABLED SOLDIER (that should have never had to go to war, but we can't notice that officially either).

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
12. If it was confirmed, and not some crank, it would have a huge impact
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:29 PM
Nov 2013

And it would be very embarrassing for the U.S. government. Because it would contradict what their official position has been for over 50 years. People would naturally start asking questions like, "Has the government been lying all this time, or are they just that incompetent?"

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. We ask those questions all the time.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:32 PM
Nov 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]TECT in the name of the Representative approves of this post.[/center][/font][hr]

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. So much would depend on the situation.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:31 PM
Nov 2013

Would the person be a member of the CIA? Someone who simply helped in the planning? ect. Hard to answer without it happening. I do think it would be explosive if verifiable, know matter what the situation.

Orrex

(63,220 posts)
21. I figured that I'd get in on it after reading weeks of JFK CT stuff in GD
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:40 PM
Nov 2013

Why not cut to the chase and ask, ultimately, what's the difference?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. RFK's own children revealed RFK considered the Warren Commission ''shoddy workmanship.''
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:39 PM
Nov 2013
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Rory Kennedy told Charlie Rose in January. The story made a blip and was gone, forgotten. Of course, Charlie Rose never aired the interview.

That's what really happened. I believe it supports your hypothetical situation. War Inc will trample on to profit the few and enslave a planet.

petronius

(26,603 posts)
19. Two things, I think: first, the internet would implode under the weight
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:40 PM
Nov 2013

of all the "I TOLD you so!!1!" posts, blogs, emails, etc.

And second, proponents every other CT theory or whacky notion - from Bigfoot to Moon bombing - would be invigorated beyond belief. So once the internet was rebuilt, it would promptly implode again.

Fortunately, the all-powerful cabal of the Illuminati/Space Alien/Indigo Children will keep the truth firmly under wraps...

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
22. At your age do you think
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:49 PM
Nov 2013

death bed confessions are relevant in court of law?

I'm sure with me at my age it would


I don't expect a JFK insider would do this since they are dead now but I've seen others in govt on other instances where he must be considered.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
23. For me, it would mean nothing with evidence to back it up.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 06:19 PM
Nov 2013

Otherwise, it's just somebody saying something. Or worse, someone claiming that someone said something before they died.

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
25. There is no statute of limitations on murder.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 06:21 PM
Nov 2013

That being said, I strongly advise against holding your breath.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
35. But you don't try dead people for murder.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 07:05 PM
Nov 2013

The "deathbed" scenario takes that out of the equation presumably so that we focus on what the OP intended.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
28. That'd depend on who the second gunman was, I suppose
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 06:27 PM
Nov 2013

If it was, say, Lee Harvey Oswald's childhood friend/drinking buddy/etc, that'd be one thing; if it was, say, Robert McNamara's son or a retired KGB colonel or Samuel Walton, that'd be something entirely different.

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
29. Not really. However, a memoir from one of Oswald's employers
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 06:29 PM
Nov 2013

released after his death would likely change a lot, at least regarding some very comfortable but erroneous assumptions people have made for many years.

None of the current conspiracy theories impresses me much. Having a posthumous memoir come out just might impress not only me but a lot of people.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
30. The release of all files
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 06:35 PM
Nov 2013

about Ioannides and Oswald, and those from Angleton, might do so. There is no reason left to be keeping any secrets about this case any more -- no reason, that is, if "Oswald acting alone murdered the president."

In fact, the millions of pages released through the ARRB have already changed things. Whatever was left of the official story is already demolished, and eventually the historical record, the one by people who don't feel an emotional stake in defending the myths of 1963 America, will reflect that.

Accountability? History still matters, even if the perps can't be brought to justice any more. The question is how much longer we will tolerate this aggressive empire that does no good for Americans, this constant rule by crisis and exception, this permanent war industry that eats the national surplus product, this deep state and its countless parapolitical tentacles, this intel-security complex that generates the very problems it purports to address? The truth about the November 1963 coup d'etat can be an important impulse toward ending all that, though there's no pretending it's a magic pill.

Eddie Haskell

(1,628 posts)
31. Inmate James Files has confessed.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 06:37 PM
Nov 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Files

In 1992, FBI agent Zack Shelton of the Beaumont FBI office gave Joe West a lead on James Files. On August 16 and 17, 1992, West visited Files in prison and got the first confession from Files. West died on February 13, 1993. On May 3, 1993, I visited James Files for the first time. A leading TV executive was with me as a witness. During that meeting, Files said that he fired a .222 casing from a modified Remington Fireball XP-100. He also said that we would know his shell if we ever found it for it had his teeth marks in it.


http://jfkmurdersolved.com/radtruth.htm
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
37. "A leading TV executive as witness"
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 07:06 PM
Nov 2013

LOL! That tells us all we need to know. What was this...The Geraldo Show?

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
32. Well I'm not on my deathbed so . . . wait - i mean it wouldn't change anything
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 06:39 PM
Nov 2013

and nobody should show any interest in this subject.

Bryant

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
38. The shooters were probably killed straightaway. They were hired guns, I believe.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 07:17 PM
Nov 2013

I think the patsy, Oswald, was going to be shot and killed by Officer Baker, but when Truly quickly ID'd him as an employee that blew it for the DPD because Oswald left then and there. Probably to meet an intelligence contact in the Texas Theater. Some believe that contact could have been Jack Ruby. Some people believe that Jack Ruby shot and killed Officer Tippit. It all happened in Ruby's neighborhood.

tblue37

(65,483 posts)
40. Remember how Obama's long form birth certificate was supposed to be
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 09:00 PM
Nov 2013

all the birthers wanted? "Why won't he just release it if he has nothing to hide?" squawked Trump and other idiots.

Did the long form birth certificate convince any die-hard birthers?

Bolo Boffin

(23,796 posts)
43. There is no credible evidence that necessitates considering a second gunman.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:00 PM
Nov 2013

The only area for a possible conspiracy is in Oswald's background. He was the only person shooting in Dealey Plaza that day.

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