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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLimbaugh will stay on the air as long as the Joint Chiefs find him useful for troop morale...
I know you will find this impossible to swallow, but our troops are not stationed to spread sweetness and light (KONY 2012 ) but are, instead, stationed to maintain American hegemony and thus preserve our position as arbiters to the strategic resources of the world.
With the decline of America as the preeminent industrial power of the world, military might is our most important product.
And as long as the troops find Limbaugh's views helps them justify their day-to-day assignments, he stays.
You may now return to your comfortable state of denial.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Did not work so well in 2010. Better to stick with the !%. He is just a radio talker. Most people have no idea who or what he is.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)wouldn't he be the worst person for the troops to be listening to?
He's not even patriotic as the draft dodger he is.
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USArmyParatrooper
(1,827 posts)Just saying...
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USArmyParatrooper
(1,827 posts)o NONE of those "make up the bulk of our military forces" as you put it.
o The ethnic make-up of the US military is about as diverse as the US population, negating your "white Christian blah blah" statement.
o None of those cheap shots you listed even pertain to your post that I replied to. They were just that, cheap shots.
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USArmyParatrooper
(1,827 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 10, 2012, 01:43 PM - Edit history (2)
Unfortunately for you the FACT is the demographics of the US military isn't at all what you described, and neither I nor anybody I know or have ever known in the military were involved in any of those things.
LUCKY? 6 years in the Marine Corps reserves and 8 1/2 years active duty US Army without running across any of those things isn't mere "luck." Look, I have the utmost respect for the fact that you believe Google gives you a better understanding of military culture than my combined 14.5 years of experience, but you really need to rethink that.
I'm not using demographics as a "defense." I bring up the demographics because this exchange was started by YOU bringing up demographics that were just factually wrong.
UGH. WRONG AGAIN! Only 20% of the US military are age 18-21 (who are adults BTW). 47% are 22-30 and the rest are over 30.
http://www.slideshare.net/pastinson/us-military-active-duty-demographic-profile-presentation
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nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)USN retired and 21 in the service. In those years he came across two who were Bibble thumpers...
Whatever, I just love broad brushes.
And the problem with Abu graib is NOT the ethnic makeup of the force, nor is it a bad few apples, unless you consider those few apples high ranking officers, and an overall culture, as well as implied orders, going all the way to the White House...at the very least to the SecDef, you might remember Donald Rumsfeld and his statements.
But do carry on, expect no further response.
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nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Nor is this an attempt yo keep those attitudes, but whatever...keep the broad brushes, since we know every trooper, sailor and Marine...let me add Airmen and Coasties ARE fundies. Who knew, I imagines the Jewish High Holidays in Hawaii.
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nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And the Hartmann demographic. After all the armed forces are a reflection of society at large...you go on and believe otherwise.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)and those latino soldiers who were offered citizenship under little boots to fight for our country. Jeff christy is a pro-war, bully, anal cyst draft dodger, in my opinion. And while little boots and cheney, who also had not experienced the horrors of war, were more than willing to fabricate to put our soldiers in harms way for their own greedy reasons. jeff may have gushed over how manly little boot's looked in his pretend flight suit; and what a great war leader bush was; yet, he has no respect for this president and it shows.
So, while little boots and his colleagues, attempted to find ways to "screw" soldiers out of pay, medical (privatizing the VA), and benefits; it's been the democrats usually doing the opposite. So, to our soldiers-"who loves ya baby?"
I'm sure armed forces radio can find another conservative, one with more political brains than rush to satisfy some of our rightward soldiers. Without the caustic, ignorant, hate statements directed at fellow soldiers.
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hack89
(39,171 posts)Junkdrawer
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hack89
(39,171 posts)So yes, in so many words you did say that.
We got - you hate the military.
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hack89
(39,171 posts)you post about a man who obviously cracked under the stress of war. It says nothing about his politics, his religion, the color of his skin. It certainly says nothing about Rush Limbaugh.
Why do you expect people to jump into the muck with you?
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HowHasItComeToThis
(3,566 posts)Bigmack
(8,020 posts)"... Contrary to Good Order and Discipline..." is a phrase that has real significance in the military.
Constant attacks on the Commander in Chief fit that phrase nicely.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)encouragement to engage in Abu Ghraib type frat house hazing fun.
thucythucy
(8,081 posts)otherwise a group of women vets wouldn't be leading the charge to get his show taken off the network.
USArmyParatrooper
(1,827 posts)Personally I think Limbaugh is rather pathetic, I'm sure others like him and most don't care about him either way.
Nobody looks to Limbaugh to justify anything. It's rather patronizing to portray members of the military as one homogenous group, when in fact we're a diverse organization with diverse backgrounds and beliefs.
Our system of governance dictates that the military is subordinate to civilian leadership ("I will obey the orders of the President of the United States" , and that leadership is chosen by the people. No military can possibly function if it's members can decide for themselves whether or not they agree with a mission from a political standpoint.
The fact that the people chose our Commander in Chief is all the justification that is required. We have Republican troopers who follow the orders of a Democratic President, and we have had Democratic troopers who followed Republican leaders.
We have men and women, black and white and every color between, troopers of varying religious beliefs, gay and straight troopers and varying political beliefs. Don't try to potray us as a bunch of dittoheads.
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pecwae
(8,021 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)understands what is really going on, the rest of us are just ignorant sheep.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)my SIL is back from afghanistan. I think they can find a more viable rightward talking head. I think rush tends to DIVIDE soldiers, not unite. Also, pushing a lack of respect for CIC. How does that help morale?
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,422 posts)that he was allowed to keep his show on AFN after he became a full-blown apologist for torture during the Abu Gharib scandal in 2004-though given how what happened was more or less "official" policy I guess I shouldn't be but it surely could not have made the damage control effort very easy to have him on AFN of all places trying to make such behaviour "ok" while the rest of the (mis-)administration was trying to claim that the perps were just a few bad eggs.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)And it wasn't one t-shirt one time. It was a whole line of t-shirts. And Rush would post picture after picture of whole squads proudly wearing the shirts until the civilian hue-and-cry forced that to stop.
And what am I to make of the form letter response from AFN where we are told that their listeners are reqularly polled and Limbaugh is always at the top of said polls?
And OF COURSE there HAS to be many many in uniform who disagree with everything Limbaugh stands for. Bradley Manning, Joe Darby, Major General Antonio M. Taguba etc, etc.
If anything about the tone of my OP makes its seem that I am happy about my conclusions, well, I apologize. Sometimes I have to work up a bit of bluster before I can spit out what I think. Maybe some day I'll get better about that.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)have time to listen to Rush and ARE ditto heads.
I love that broad brush you got there.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)mackattack
(344 posts)Particularly those that are all volunteer, rely heavily on morale. If morale drops, the contest is lost because the political winds will force an end to the policy.
excellent post.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)He's the Hanoi Hannah of AFN.
Rex
(65,616 posts)to the troops...I am ALL ears!
Zanzoobar
(894 posts)He started in a small market and grew by advert money. It's general commercial enterprize.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Let's remember who is the commander in chief.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Rush is still there....