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icymist

(15,888 posts)
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:46 PM Nov 2013

North Korea says California man, 85, has 'admitted his crimes' (Breaking Reuters on Twiter)

California man reportedly detained in North Korea
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North Korea's KCNA quotes detained US veteran: 'I have been guilty of big crimes against DPRK government and Korean People again' - @newsjean
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California man reportedly detained in North Korea
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North Korea says California man, Merrill Newman, 85, has 'admitted his crimes' and apologized - KCNA, via @Reuters
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North Korea says California man, 85, has 'admitted his crimes' (Breaking Reuters on Twiter) (Original Post) icymist Nov 2013 OP
I need the "Twilight Zone" every time... JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #1
Why the hell was he even there? Does he not read the news? Maybe they'll let him go TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #2
Sometimes they arrest "tourists" who are really missionaries, LeftyMom Nov 2013 #3
That's reasonable. defacto7 Nov 2013 #5
We're really diggin into the bottom of the barrel for our spies nowadays. Th1onein Nov 2013 #9
He's a Korean war veteran. Perhaps visiting the sites of so many important -traumatic?- memories. randome Nov 2013 #11
There are a lot of names one could use defacto7 Nov 2013 #4
I hope they let this poor man go. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #6
Am I the only one who thinks it was foolish for this man to go back to the site of a war his... JVS Nov 2013 #7
He had no business going there. The point could be made he was an enemy of DPRK NightWatcher Nov 2013 #13
I'm interested in the international law aspect at work here. If some former "illegal combatant"... JVS Nov 2013 #16
The difference is that an illegal combatant Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #18
Vietnam doesn't consider former American soldiers as ongoing enemies. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #14
Are you sure they wouldn't prosecute people who were involved in war crimes? JVS Nov 2013 #15
Vietnam has left that all behind, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #17
I went back with several former soldiers as well -- including a general mainer Nov 2013 #21
That was my experience too. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #22
The story just came out on NBC icymist Nov 2013 #8
"Again." Igel Nov 2013 #10
in what respect, charlie? dionysus Nov 2013 #20
Let the punishment fit the crime! (From a North Korean perspective.) randome Nov 2013 #12
Sketchy as hell Nolimit Nov 2013 #19

JimboBillyBubbaBob

(1,389 posts)
1. I need the "Twilight Zone" every time...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:55 PM
Nov 2013

...some poor wretch goes missing in North Korea. Who the hell goes there?

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
2. Why the hell was he even there? Does he not read the news? Maybe they'll let him go
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 12:34 AM
Nov 2013

now, after terrifying and humiliating an old man--what a bunch of toughsters you are, NK!

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
3. Sometimes they arrest "tourists" who are really missionaries,
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 12:51 AM
Nov 2013

but based on what little info I can get via The Google I don't see any indication that's the case here. The guy he was traveling with was a retired Stanford professor who lectured on WWII at least some of the time (they only department I can see him attached to is Continuing Education, so I'm not sure that was his primary area of study but one result mentions him lecturing on the firebombing of Dresden) so it seems like maybe this is what happened:

Elderly professor with an interest in history and his friend the equally elderly Korean war vet (who speaks Korean) decide to go to NK. Because they're guys who dig military history they show an interest in NK's fifties era equipment, maybe take some pictures. Their NK minders decide they're spies, or at least that this is suspicious enough that they'll be in deep shit if they don't kick it up the chain, and report this. The authorities go on the plane and pull them off to interrogate them, and keep the guy who speaks Korean, maybe because he's got the camera or something.

No idea if that's what actually happened, but it seems like a reasonably likely scenario.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
9. We're really diggin into the bottom of the barrel for our spies nowadays.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 02:12 AM
Nov 2013

Eight-five? Couldn't they find at least a sixty year old to send out?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. He's a Korean war veteran. Perhaps visiting the sites of so many important -traumatic?- memories.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 12:18 PM
Nov 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font][hr]

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
4. There are a lot of names one could use
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 12:51 AM
Nov 2013

to define DPRK government twerps, and though all of the slang and psychological verbiage works there is still insufficient language ugly enough to equal their acts. They aren't worth the trouble.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
7. Am I the only one who thinks it was foolish for this man to go back to the site of a war his...
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 01:07 AM
Nov 2013

side didn't win? Especially with how the Korean war ended with a prolonged ceasefire. What made him think that he'd be welcomed there?

I'd have thought that Korean War and Vietnam War veterans would have a good long think about whether the country they left behind considers them as ongoing enemies or possibly even views them as war criminals. It's not unheard of for people in advanced years to face prosecution for their conduct during times of war.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
13. He had no business going there. The point could be made he was an enemy of DPRK
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 12:21 PM
Nov 2013

He did fight in a war (that's still technically going on) against them.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
16. I'm interested in the international law aspect at work here. If some former "illegal combatant"...
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 12:43 PM
Nov 2013

from Afghanistan or Iraq decided to take a trip to the US and got thrown in Gitmo, few of us would be surprised. What are the legal differences that would separate such an imprisonment from this guy being arrested in North Korea?

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
18. The difference is that an illegal combatant
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 02:01 PM
Nov 2013

is someone not in the uniform of a countries armed forces, whereas, the Korean War was fought by armies of countries in uniform.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
14. Vietnam doesn't consider former American soldiers as ongoing enemies.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 12:25 PM
Nov 2013

I went back to Vietnam with several former comrades and we were treated very graciously and courteously, the people were very friendly and were eager to hear our stories of when we served.

N. Korea on the other hand? If I were an NK war veteran, I would stay as far as away from that fucked up country as I could.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
15. Are you sure they wouldn't prosecute people who were involved in war crimes?
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 12:38 PM
Nov 2013

For example, if someone was part of a group that shot up a village of civilians, and the Vietnamese government were to discover that individual was in their country, would they do nothing?

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
17. Vietnam has left that all behind,
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 01:42 PM
Nov 2013

I talked to a Vietnamese official and posed pretty much the same question to him and he told me that the govt has no interest in prosecuting "war crimes" from the Vietnam War, he said that his side was guilty of it also, which was quite the admission from a govt. official.
Vietnam realizes that we are on the same side as far as China is concerned and they want our business and trade.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
21. I went back with several former soldiers as well -- including a general
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 04:12 PM
Nov 2013

The Americans went back, by and large, to heal emotional wounds from the Vietnam War. They would often approach Vietnamese men of about their age, who must likely were soldiers at that time, just to say "I'm sorry for what we did." They were greeted with open arms and forgiveness, and those men came home to the US feeling so relieved.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
8. The story just came out on NBC
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 01:47 AM
Nov 2013

North Korea says American it detained is a criminal



By Jack Kim, Reuters

North Korea said on Saturday it had arrested U.S. citizen Merrill E. Newman for "hostile acts" against the state and accused him of being "a criminal" who was involved in the killing of civilians during the 1950-53 Korean War.

Newman "masterminded espionage and subversive activities against the DPRK and in this course he was involved in killings of service personnel of the Korean People's Army and innocent civilians," the North's official KCNA news agency said.

DPRK is short for the North's official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. North Korea is technically still at war with the South and the United States as a truce, not a peace treaty, was signed to end the Korean conflict.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/29/21680934-north-korea-says-american-it-detained-is-a-criminal?lite

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
12. Let the punishment fit the crime! (From a North Korean perspective.)
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 12:20 PM
Nov 2013

Sentence him to life in America.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font][hr]

Nolimit

(142 posts)
19. Sketchy as hell
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 03:16 PM
Nov 2013

His "letter of confession" was full of grammatical errors and phrasing that an American English speaker/writer wouldn't use.

"I realize that I cannot be forgiven for my offensives but I beg for pardon on my knees by apologizing for my offensives sincerely toward the DPRK government and the Korean people and I want not punish me."

Someone had to have written it for him.

I doubt they would have had the capability to keep records from the era that would have documented this veteran's "crimes" against the DPRK. They probably just realized they had a potential bargaining chip in their country and couldn't resist the opportunity to take it.

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