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Recursion

(56,582 posts) Sun Dec 1, 2013, 12:07 PM Dec 2013

So, the whole Ukraine thing is still going on...

There seem to be a whole lot of people on the streets in Kiev right now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25173719

The protests started more than a week ago after President Yanukovych suspended preparations for signing an EU association agreement that would have opened borders to goods and set the stage for an easing of travel restrictions.

Mr Yanukovych said pressure from Moscow had led to his decision, arguing that Ukraine could not afford to sacrifice trade with Russia, which opposed the deal.

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In 2011 (former PM Yulia Tymoshenko) was sentenced to seven years in jail for abuse of office - a case widely criticised in the West as political revenge.

Tymoshenko has been on hunger strike since Monday over the failure to sign the EU agreement.

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So, the whole Ukraine thing is still going on... (Original Post) Recursion Dec 2013 OP

Wish more citizens here would take to the streets like this. nt Mnemosyne Dec 2013 #1

That is not a value in and of itself treestar Dec 2013 #2

I seriously haven't seen much else work in the last 50 years. What ways are you referring to? nt Mnemosyne Dec 2013 #11

Voting, organizing, campaigning treestar Dec 2013 #13

And what would those be, pray tell? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #12

I don't call that being in the streets per se treestar Dec 2013 #14

How are striking, demonstrating, rallying, and protesting not taking to the streets? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #15

"Police violently dispersed activists on Saturday, injuring dozens of people." pampango Dec 2013 #3

A mass rejection of Putin. CorrectOfCenter Dec 2013 #4

Now this is the way to push back: Joe Shlabotnik Dec 2013 #5

Monday - Barricades Erected Overnight in Kiev after Weekend Clashes dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #6

one of the top places i want to visit in the world JI7 Dec 2013 #7

Can't be, or else the liberal media would be all over it. Right? Scuba Dec 2013 #8

Funny, no? Recursion Dec 2013 #10

Another civil war coming soon? nt bemildred Dec 2013 #9

Mnemosyne

(21,363 posts)

1. Wish more citizens here would take to the streets like this. nt

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Sun Dec 1, 2013, 01:25 PM

Dec 2013

treestar

(82,383 posts)

2. That is not a value in and of itself

Reply to Mnemosyne (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 1, 2013, 01:26 PM

Dec 2013

We have better ways of dealing with things.

Mnemosyne

(21,363 posts)

11. I seriously haven't seen much else work in the last 50 years. What ways are you referring to? nt

Reply to treestar (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 2, 2013, 02:47 PM

Dec 2013

treestar

(82,383 posts)

13. Voting, organizing, campaigning

Reply to Mnemosyne (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 2, 2013, 03:33 PM

Dec 2013

there has been legislation passed in the last 50 years.

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)

12. And what would those be, pray tell?

Reply to treestar (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 2, 2013, 02:57 PM

Dec 2013

Because it seemed to work for the civil rights movement, ACT UP, Occupy, women's suffrage, and turn of the century labor.

treestar

(82,383 posts)

14. I don't call that being in the streets per se

Reply to NuclearDem (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 2, 2013, 03:34 PM

Dec 2013

Those are demonstrations, which we can always do here. We have that freedom.

What do we have to march about now? If we have something, we can do it. We don't need to look to the Ukraine as somehow ahead of us on that subject.

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)

15. How are striking, demonstrating, rallying, and protesting not taking to the streets?

Reply to treestar (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 2, 2013, 03:53 PM

Dec 2013

The only reason I can see it not being the same thing is through an American exceptionalism view of the world, that "taking to the streets" is something akin to rioting that only uncivilized groups or democracy newbies do.

When Americans take to the streets, things change. That's why people don't want us doing so, and convince us that it's beneath us as a nation somehow.

pampango

(24,692 posts)

3. "Police violently dispersed activists on Saturday, injuring dozens of people."

Reply to Recursion (Original post)

Sun Dec 1, 2013, 03:13 PM

Dec 2013

The president said he "outraged" by the violence, but Ukraine's interior minister warned on Sunday that police would respond if there were mass disturbances.

The BBC's David Stern, in Kiev, says the latest action may be bigger than last weekend's demonstration, which attracted 50,000-100,000 supporters.

Groups of protesters spent the night in front of St Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery

Police violently dispersed protesters in the early hours of Saturday

CorrectOfCenter

(101 posts)

4. A mass rejection of Putin.

Reply to Recursion (Original post)

Sun Dec 1, 2013, 03:26 PM

Dec 2013

It's lovely to see.

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)

5. Now this is the way to push back:

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Sun Dec 1, 2013, 06:49 PM

Dec 2013

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)

6. Monday - Barricades Erected Overnight in Kiev after Weekend Clashes

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Mon Dec 2, 2013, 05:38 AM

Dec 2013

KIEV, December 2 (RIA Novosti) – Protesters in the Ukrainian capital erected barricades early Monday morning after a weekend of violent clashes between police and demonstrators.

Tensions are simmering in the former Soviet nation amid increasingly vocal calls for the ouster of President Viktor Yanukovych in the wake of a decision to back away from closer integration with Europe.

According to reports from the scene, barricades made from Christmas trees, city benches, parts of metal fences and traffic barriers were erected in Kiev’s Independence Square, which served as the focal point of the Orange Revolution of 2004-5.

In a speech to the crowd at 2:00 a.m. local time, Ukrainian opposition leader and lawmaker Arseniy Yatsenyuk called on protesters not to leave the square.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20131202/185205431/Barricades-Erected-Overnight-in-Kiev-after-Weekend-Clashes.html

JI7

(89,260 posts)

7. one of the top places i want to visit in the world

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Mon Dec 2, 2013, 05:55 AM

Dec 2013

Scuba

(53,475 posts)

8. Can't be, or else the liberal media would be all over it. Right?

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Mon Dec 2, 2013, 06:56 AM

Dec 2013

Recursion

(56,582 posts)

10. Funny, no?

Reply to Scuba (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 2, 2013, 09:26 AM

Dec 2013

I only know about this because I have a ton of Ukranian Facebook friends and this stuff has been lighting up my news feed. It's nearly unbelievable the different media worlds we live in...

bemildred

(90,061 posts)

9. Another civil war coming soon? nt

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Mon Dec 2, 2013, 07:50 AM

Dec 2013

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