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We need to raise our daughters not to measure their self worth on how men (Original Post) Luminous Animal Dec 2013 OP
We need to raise our children not to measure their self worth on how others perceive them Fumesucker Dec 2013 #1
Indeed. I started this OP in response to this pathetic and wildly popular OP: Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #2
You survived a jury verdict BainsBane Dec 2013 #4
Survived pretty well! Thanks for the info. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #7
Just goes to show the value of rec's around here. joshcryer Dec 2013 #27
Very well said. HappyMe Dec 2013 #29
we need to raise all our children to have respect for each other, no matter their gender, color Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #3
That image came from a fundamentalist submissive wife blog. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #5
Oh my. Thank you. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #8
http://timewarpwife.com Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #11
I'm finding the Housekeeping Schedule quite informative. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #44
Hey, hi LeftyMom! sheshe2 Dec 2013 #35
It's FROM Time Warp Wife. That's why it says "Time Warp Wife" on it. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #38
Anti-women propaganda? sheshe2 Dec 2013 #40
And? It originated from a fundie site and even if you Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #42
I have nieces and nephews and grand ones too~ sheshe2 Dec 2013 #43
We need to teach them Mira Dec 2013 #6
You would be surprised as to how many women judge their self worth by how other women see them. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #9
judging from the number of women wearing RIDICULOUS shoes Skittles Dec 2013 #15
lol! Sissyk Dec 2013 #32
Bingo!!! AllTooEasy Dec 2013 #20
No I wouldn't. But I am surprised how many DUers are eating up right wing... Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #21
I thought Right Wingers considered women to be property. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #23
Hell has frozen over LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #10
DUers are eating up evangelical christian advice. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #12
Yeah, I had a look after LeftyMom mentioned it. LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #13
The blog author tells a story about taking her kids to Target: LeftyMom Dec 2013 #14
Kudos to you for wading into the blog posts LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #17
And that OP has 99 recs right now. The "left" can't recognize sexism Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #18
I would agree with that assessment Skittles Dec 2013 #24
DU isn't "left" and hasn't been for quite some time now n/t Fumesucker Dec 2013 #33
It is a fallacy... CSStrowbridge Dec 2013 #22
I rejected the "merits" before I found the source. Teaching young women to measure Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #25
Context is a useful thing. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #34
Source... sheshe2 Dec 2013 #36
Hear, hear. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #16
And visa versa AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #19
Kick. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #26
We need to raise our daughters not to measure their self worth on how Javaman Dec 2013 #28
Feminism 102 TalkingDog Dec 2013 #30
are you suggesting feminist not discuss gender at all? bettyellen Dec 2013 #31
Gender simply is an issue gollygee Dec 2013 #37
gender is an issue, as is race, as is class RainDog Dec 2013 #41
Fortunately, there wasn't really a need for this thread as a good many of us made ScreamingMeemie Dec 2013 #39

BainsBane

(53,034 posts)
4. You survived a jury verdict
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 03:27 AM
Dec 2013

2-4

I was juror 6.

At Mon Dec 2, 2013, 02:17 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Indeed. I started this OP in response to this pathetic and wildly popular OP:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4118887

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Clear and obvious call out of another OP and DUer. Could have easily made their point without calling out another poster

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Dec 2, 2013, 02:24 AM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: I'm tired of this silly backstabbing kind of behavior on this forum.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: "disruptive"
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It's not a call out. It's a reference to the context that prompted LA's OP. This alert is, IMO, in bad faith.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
3. we need to raise all our children to have respect for each other, no matter their gender, color
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 03:23 AM
Dec 2013

or socio-economic status.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
5. That image came from a fundamentalist submissive wife blog.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 03:32 AM
Dec 2013

The source is shown right on the image, it wouldn't kill people to google. Sigh.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
44. I'm finding the Housekeeping Schedule quite informative.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 11:08 PM
Dec 2013

And who knew? If you haven't worn it in a year, get rid of it!

It was obvious something was very off about that Facebook image. Sure enough, the Time-Warp Wife *sinned* by having an extra-marital affair, then started a Jesus-y blog.

Pass.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
38. It's FROM Time Warp Wife. That's why it says "Time Warp Wife" on it.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:07 PM
Dec 2013

Please don't repost anti-woman propaganda, even if somebody else on the internet did so first.

Actually, please don't post anything without taking sixty seconds out of your life to google and check it out. That's how we wind up with a site full of fundamentalist glurge memes and known hoaxes and references to dodgy sources.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
42. And? It originated from a fundie site and even if you
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:41 PM
Dec 2013

you and your Facebook page didn't recognize it for the retro crap that it is, doesn't change the fact that it is retro crap.

sheshe2

(83,785 posts)
43. I have nieces and nephews and grand ones too~
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:50 PM
Dec 2013

They soar!

To lift your wings and fly will never be retro crap....that is part of the message you do not wish to read.

Open your eyes and your heart, LA. It can be illuminating~

I wish you peace and a thanks giving to one and all~

Mira

(22,380 posts)
6. We need to teach them
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 03:36 AM
Dec 2013

That how they are perceived by anyone is important equally - that men's perceptions have no special value

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
15. judging from the number of women wearing RIDICULOUS shoes
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 04:23 AM
Dec 2013

and silly, UGLY, expensive purses, it would not surprise me at all

AllTooEasy

(1,260 posts)
20. Bingo!!!
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 04:52 AM
Dec 2013

Every weakend, I regularly ask my wife why she:

A) Wears dangerous, high-heeled shoes?
B) Wears all that crap/make-up on her face?

when she's naturally beautiful. Her answer...basically to impress other women, most of them complete strangers. FOR WHAT?!

Her girl "friends", all married or engaged, have the same answer.

FOR WHAT?

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
14. The blog author tells a story about taking her kids to Target:
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 04:17 AM
Dec 2013

Her teenage son was walking into displays repeatedly, so she asked him why. Turns out he was staring at the floor so that he wouldn't see any signs relating to the sale of ladies' underpants.

That's a fear of women's bodies and a lack of normal self control that is literally pathological- it's negatively effecting his ability to go about his daily life and routine tasks.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
17. Kudos to you for wading into the blog posts
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 04:41 AM
Dec 2013

I won't.

I read stories like that and have to wonder what the rest of that young man's life is going to be like.

CSStrowbridge

(267 posts)
22. It is a fallacy...
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 05:16 AM
Dec 2013

It is a fallacy to judge a piece of advice based on the source rather than on its own merits. It is just as wrong to say, "If it is in the Bible it must be true." as it is to say, "If it is in the Bible it must be false."

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
25. I rejected the "merits" before I found the source. Teaching young women to measure
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 05:31 AM
Dec 2013

themselves based on a man's opinion is just wrong wrong wrong.

We need to teach our daughters and sons the difference between flattery and compliments. And that neither matter to their own self worth.

We need to teach our daughters and sons the difference between the value of money and the value of community.

We need to teach our daughters and sons the difference between those who see others as property and those who see others as brothers and sisters.

We need to teach our daughters and sons that lust and love are innate in our species and celebrate both.

We need to teach our daughters and sons that there are human beings that are selfish assholes and run far far away from them.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
34. Context is a useful thing.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 08:42 PM
Dec 2013

The fundamentalist agenda is opposed to the rights and freedoms of women. Not really the best people to go to for advice on gender and child rearing.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
28. We need to raise our daughters not to measure their self worth on how
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 09:57 AM
Dec 2013

madison ave tells us to perceive them.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
30. Feminism 102
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 12:21 PM
Dec 2013

We need to raise our children to avoid measuring their self-worth based on other people's
perceptions or opinions.

I mean... if we are feminists who are believe that gender should not be an issue.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
37. Gender simply is an issue
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 09:46 PM
Dec 2013

Pretending it isn't doesn't help solve the problem. You have to define and feel comfortable to name the disease if you want to find the cure.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
41. gender is an issue, as is race, as is class
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:28 PM
Dec 2013

The issue of addressing these things often comes down to modes of communication in ways that effective to advance someone's cause and bring positive attention to the problems these issues cause for many people in society.

Once reality has started - within the confines of history and current attitudes and situations this long, long history for these issues - it's impossible to "start at even" within the parameters of society as it is currently constructed.

If more than one of those issues pertains to a person, this reality compounds problems, often, and sometimes puts allies in positions where they feel at odds.

There are always people within various groups who are able to overcome tremendous constraints and achieve goals - but, just as in "elite theory" in politics, as far as a ruling class versus everyone else goes - those few provide the release of pressure about issues in society without actually addressing them. Occasionally there's a MLK or Ghandi or Friedan who helps promote broad changes and provide leadership that others coalesce around - but they're rare.

It's positive that some are able to rise above their societies to create their own versions of life. They provide good role models and hope - but they don't provide the infrastructure, often, that would really provide large-scale "social mobility" within our society to create lives with more hope and opportunity for more people and less classism, racism and gender-related issues.

How to effectively approach the issues is key to helping others understand one group or another.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
39. Fortunately, there wasn't really a need for this thread as a good many of us made
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:09 PM
Dec 2013

this comment in the other thread.

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