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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDaily Kos censors cartoonist Ted Rall over ‘ape-like depiction’ of Obama
Mediaite takes the position that Ted Rall might be a racist.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/daily-kos-censors-cartoonist-over-ape-like-depiction-of-president-obama/
I am certain that there are strong opinions about Daily Kos, censorship, Ted Rall, his cartoons, whether he is a racist, and even Mediaite for that matter... but my question is: does Ted Rall draw Obama as 'ape-like'?
I've read Rall for years now and I just never made that leap. (But maybe it's because I'm a white guy and agree more with Rall's POV on matters political, and less with Obama's.)
As premise, I tend toward devaluing Daily Kos and the mob mentality they occasionally demonstrate in this particular matter. Remember they got Scott Prouty, the guy who filmed Romney's 47% video, banned due to the "self-policing standards" the members there exhibit. So perhaps my overriding bias is a derogatory view of DK.
Lots of moving parts here, but to distill: Is Ted Rall a bigot? Does he draw Obama looking simian? If he does, is that worthy of being censored at Kos -- or even here, for that matter? I tend to answer 'no' to those three questions.
Am I wrong?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)TeamPooka
(24,227 posts)uponit7771
(90,344 posts)petronius
(26,602 posts)Homer is really the only 'person' it calls to mind...
yorgatron
(2,289 posts)not sure if it's racist.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)on Obama that waves the red flag.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Regardless of what party they happen to be in.
Bryant
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)That's clear if you pay attention.
If Kos wants to censor him because he is critical of Obama's policies, that's their right - but trying to paint him as a racist is absurd. Were that the case, then it would be expected that every black character he draws would have a similar look and that's not the case. When he draws "good" characters (regardless of race) they are more refined (as refined as he can get, I guess). When he draws "bad" characters (regardless of race), they all tend to look like the caricature under discussion - crude, broad faced, stubbly and/or wild haired.
He stereotypes - but not by race or ethnicity. His stereotype is based on his opinion of the person he is mocking. He is mocking the President and DK doesn't like that. But it's not because Rall is racist.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)His Obama looked exactly like I would've expected him to look like.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)CorrectOfCenter
(101 posts)There are plenty of talented, non-bigoted cartoonists out there.
Shame on Ted Rall for such a disgusting depiction of our President.
And browsing through his other work, I'm not sure what kind of sick and twisted fan base made him as relevant as he is today... but they must be a frightening bunch.
Other publications and websites should follow the lead of Daily Kos.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I enjoy Rall's cartoons. I enjoyed them when he was critical of Bush, too.
Why that's "frightening" to you is a mystery to me
CorrectOfCenter
(101 posts)And I respect no one that produces it or is entertained by it.
People like him always jump the shark eventually when the shock factor begins to fade and they want more attention.
Sadly, he had to resort to racism to achieve that.
frylock
(34,825 posts)CorrectOfCenter
(101 posts)struggle4progress
(118,285 posts)But his insensitive and even downright nasty side became clear to me in 2004, when the Washington Post properly dropped him for this ugly cartoon (which I think was intended as a poke at the Bush administration):
http://assets.amuniversal.com/481daa305cea012ee3bd00163e41dd5b
n2doc
(47,953 posts)not even close. I think he deliberately draws poorly. During the Bush years it was very hard sometimes to figure out who was who in his toons.
That having been said the real issue is Rall can be extremely harsh in his criticism of Obama. He also brings Obama's family into it, which for me is beyond the pale. But Rall also has done some excellent toons expressing truths that others won't state. I hope he doesn't get censored off the web. There have been enough of those already.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)that is not saying much.
I think this is just poor drawing skills.
Pitagoras
(30 posts)Wouldn't a racist gather a pattern of racist things besides a drawing?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Archae
(46,328 posts)He is a total asshole though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Rall#Controversies
quinnox
(20,600 posts)Whether he meant it that way I have no idea.
However, I always will come down on the side of anti-censorship, that is just how I am.
Spirochete
(5,264 posts)so I would doubt he actually means to.