Sid

Just want ya to know... it's appreciated.

We will know them by their works.

in this country. No wonder they were taking out contracts on him even before the latest revelations. Can't have even a single blogger telling the truth about their crimes.

Thanks again Sid, I would have missed this if it hadn't been for you.

Jackpine

...so he, like Snowden, are doling out the "news" to stay in the limelight.

I watched the video - didn't look like LA to me. Oh yes, he's living in South America!!! Hypocrite that he is.

Why did you focus on his current address when accused of attacking him on an ad hominem basis anyway?

Your post implied he's nothing but an attention whore.

So, yes, maybe you should be more explicit next time.

....that out when confronted with something they can't dispute or respond to intelligently or civilly.

You posted the ad Hominem attacks. I responded. Go read it.

Textbook ad Hominem fallacy. Until you can prove this has anything to do with the argument, it's an ad Hominem attack point, meant to derail the substance of the original argument.

"Why is he called an AMERICAN?" As in, he is not a patriot, or because he is not an American his points are not valid, or some similar implication. Until you can prove this has anything to do with the argument, it's an ad Hominem attack point, meant to derail the substance of the original argument.

So, once again, the "ad hominem attack" characterization is flung against the wall, hoping it will stick.

I also never asked "why is he called an American?" - I never questioned his American citizenship nor his patriotism. You are ASSuming quite a bit to get around to YOUR attack on me!!!!!!!!!!! What you're doing is "textbook" projection, claiming I said what you WANT me to have said so you could go on the attack. And just what was the "substance of the original argument"?

Damn, Shakespeare put it SO well....."methinks thou dost protest too much!"

when called on it, that Greenwald is only reporting on this issue in order to get his name in the news??? You then stated you needed to be more explicit next time. Iow, you were not clear enough in your statement that all Greenwald wants is his name in the news.

You can debunk the ad hom claim if you have something to prove that assertion. The ball is in your court. Otherwise hissyspit is correct, with nothing to prove that assertion, it is nothing BUT an ad hom attack.

If you do post something to back it up, I'm sure everyone will apologize.

And so what? If you have nothing to back that up: AD HOMINEM.

He just wants his name in the headlines? If you see that as strategy and not egoism, what exactly is wrong with that? Otherwise: AD HOMINEM.

The substance of the original argument is IN THE OP.

With no other information available, your post mimics all the attack points that have been posted here for almost a year in pretty much every Greenwald post made (which is the point of rewording the implications in your original post), and shown why they are fallacious again and again. It's old and it's tiring. Up to this point, I think I might be protesting just the right amount.

... to respond "civilly" to jagoffs like you that have nothing but innuendo and bullshit to use for your smears.

Then we can save time by scrolling through any of your posts.

Interesting to find a frightened anti-information authoritarian fellow canuck in here. I guess you have some free time before campaigning for Prime Minister Harper in '15, eh?

....NEVER lived in Canada. Any more presumptuous comments to make?

and even your handle seems to be a nod towards one of our past Kings (of England)

and you are not Canadian?

You sound like one of those frightened American travelers that sews a Canadian patch on their backpack in order not get beat up. But please change your avatar, your misrepresentation is an insult and an embarrassment to the rest of us up here.

...anyway, I use the Canadian flag as a tribute to my mother who was born in Canada and became a naturalize citizen in her 40s.

As a matter of fact, I have dual citizenship - a citizen of both the United States AND Canada.

My avatar is not a misrepresentation. If it's an insult and an embarrassment to YOU, that's your problem. Those Canadian citizens that I know consider it a tribute to them.

Now, please GFYS!

Of course he's referred to as an American. Lots of American citizens live outside the country for perfectly good reasons. You know, freedom?

http://www.advocate.com/politics/2013/06/11/glenn-greenwald-can’t-live-us

Also, you have some hatespittle on the corner of your lip--may want to get a look at that in a mirror.

Im assuming George II stands for GW Bush. Every decent human being views Snowden as a saint. Having a government agency in cahoots with private contractors looking for dirt in every Americans emails, texts and phone calls means the end of democracy as any official, politician, journalist, judge or attorney can be blackmailed by such agencies and any business can be taken advantage of and had proprietary information stolen and fed to other businesses said agencies support. Anyone who opposes Snowden vociferously smells like a traitor to our deomacracy to me.

That's it exactly, in a short paragraph. Those who oppose the exposure of the wrong doing of the NSA's wholesale spying are no friend of freedom or democracy. NSA's spying are the actions of a paranoid dictatorship.

Just read some memoirs of Senators from the 1960s. It was basically all about bribes and blackmail. The problem is today the technology enables limitless crimes and all powerful control to a truly scary point given human nature. We need controls now. The big revelation for me was Gerald Ford being blackmailed by J Edgar Hoover to feed him protected, private information about the Warren Commission proceedings and witnesses...many who were then found murdered. Hoover had a tape of Ford getting a blowjob from an staffer. Go figure. Some things never change.

the country or be subjected to possible assassination attempts. Whistle blowers lives are in actual danger.

Yay, Greenwald, a real American hero!

how do we know which of them chose the place where they live?

You seem to be assuming Greenwald did. Do we know that?

Why does it matter to you except to impugn him. Ad Hominem.

It's just as plausible he is in Brazil while his tax problems are sorted out.
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Maybe it's both. Funny how it gets brought up every time even though it doesn't really matter to the issues at hand.

Or anyone for that matter.

Then why is he so worked up about Greenwald?

...relating to his failed porn business.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

The Daily News story also uncovered Greenwald's past and present tax problems, including some $126,000 in open judgements and liens against him going back to 2000, including an active $85,000 lien against him from the IRS. “We're negotiating over payment plans,” Greenwald said.

thousands of people do all the time.

That's a lot better than Geithner, Daschle, Kelleher, Solis Sebelius and Kirk were doing with their tax problems when Obama nominated them.

Several of Clinton's nominees, too, not to mention employing undocumented aliens.

We do need to hold a blogger to a much higher standard as to income taxes than we do the head of the New York Fed on his way to becoming Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary to whom the IRS reports.

Just because Greenwald says something doesn't make it true, you know.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

said emphatically that Clinton's dalliances had nothing to do with his job performance, what Greenwald has going with the IRS has nothing to do with his job performance.

Attacking him personally doesn't change anything.

It's a viable explanation. It may not necessarily be true. We may gain more insight when FACTA goes into effect and see what Greenwald's reaction is. As for the rest of his article in the OP, all he's saying really is that he's no different from other journalists who are supported by millionaires and billionaires.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
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Nothing Greenwald does is on my tax dollar or affects my Constitutional rights.

It's an ad Hominem attack talking point.

"Why are they calling him an an American?!"

Give me a break.

I answered with a plausible explanation, not an attack.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

...implied Greenwald fled an oppressive regime for his safety.

That sounds like hyperbole to me so I countered with an alternate explanation. I'm not out to 'win' anything on this thread, you know.
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That's what you choose to believe, while ignoring the same-sex immigration issues.

Doesn't really matter, to be accurate. It's not pertinent to issues in OP.

I apologize if I only managed to muddle things up, upstream.

face.

It seems to me that your only interest is to deride Greenwald. Why is that? Does he upset your comfortable status quo?

And just maybe he wanted to live with him.

One minute on Wikipedia. It wasn't that hard to find out.

LOL...

I wonder if he gets to see snowy for x-mas?

Sad.

Sad? Never!

This should make you happy right here! Rumors out there are that the Challenger will be gone in 2015 replaced by a new generation lighter Barracuda!

Seems to me like disruption. I could be wrong.

I saw you claiming that 'document dumping' was a threat to our security. Not that they did that, but that was the 'TALKING POINT' used to attack Journalism and Truth Telling at that time.

You know, if those who are afraid of truth in journalism want to have any credibility at all they are going to have be consistent with talking points. People can't fip flop all over the place without ending up just being charicatures.

Greenwald explained his methods in the OP and no one who has any concern for facts could possibly disagree with how he has handled this historic material.

Either you didn't read the article or you just reacted without reading it.

Greenwald, one of the few real journalists in the US right now.

Btw, who is your most trusted journalist?

to power. In this class war, seems you side with the 1%.

DeSwiss

this media funding preemptive bullshit is simply a good defense....and Greenwald isn't going to release his tax returns anytime soon, but is going to point fingers at everyone else in the hope that no one notices he isn't releasing his info.

And I am betting he renounces his citizenship. He will claim oppresssion....but it's FACTA.

I bet you're right.

Sid

Greenwald went on a very interesting tour last year with Bruce Fein, plus the Cato policy work. That shows up....plus, as his tax liens with NY State are not settled, any refund is in toilet.

reward will be favors from the Koch Bros?

speaking at Cato and having one of their rubber chicken lunches is one thing, but when you write white paper for them, go on tour for them, AND appear at the donor benefits.....you are on the Koch payroll.

items 4 and 5 document those interactions....

http://exiledonline.com/glenn-greenwald-of-the-libertarian-cato-institute-posts-his-defense-of-joshua-foust-the-exiled-responds-to-greenwald/


And Greenwald did tour with Bruce Fein and another Libertarian during the 2012 election.....they went through the South and California
http://www.marshalltribune.com/story/1813441.html

Three Libertarians, on tour. I wonder who paid. With FATCA, we might find out. But I'm betting he gives up his citizenship to keep it quiet.

to power. What could be the motive?

Koch money. But I won't speculate on your motives....I'll just note that you could not refute the links, including photographic evidence I provided.

whistle-blowers and defend authoritarian power.

while and I think she does more for us where she is.

a progressive president. The middle class can not survive another eight years of corporate-rape.

i didn't even see it and scrolled down to see a bunch of angry replies and saw it all led to up this post.

He seems to, at times, tread a thin line. I've had my doubts. Frankly the Pope has more balls. (I can't believe I wrote that)

As far as I can tell from Greenwald's article, and the talkingpointsmemo.com site, all he did was tweet a link, without comment, to the Pando article. Looking at answers to the tweet, he has described both Ames and Greenwald as 'confrontational' and 'polemical'. Is there more than that you 'believe'?

and then perhaps even comment on the ACTUAL CONTENT. thank you..

Cause that guy made a lot of sense, don't you think?

Plutarch's Lives has this line: "The first messenger that gave notice of Lucullus's coming was so far from pleasing Tigranes that he had his head cut off for his pains; and no man daring to bring further information, without any intelligence at all, Tigranes sat while war was already blazing around him, giving ear only to those who flattered him...".[4]

Does someone of his stature *really* need to call out some no-name from pando.com? (whatever the hell that is)...It's almost like he's searching for small-time minnows on small-time blogs just so he can call them out and crush them...Yeah, he goes after the semi-famous 'establishment' pundits too; but why even bother? I'd much rather he kept his head down and ignore the haters and keep researching instead of getting involved with petty shit-flinging...

I did read with some amusement his pre-emptive rebuttals to those of us (myself included) who maintain that the best course of action would have been a Manning-style mass dump...I can easily shred half, if not most of his points, but I'd just be repeating myself from earlier threads...

the underground is at 1500...

i guess we will have to wait and see if greenwald puts up or shuts up about his new direction in journalism

reporter was linked with "Nation Magazine" and the "Nation" had to retract his statement...therefore calling the "Nation" into bad light because of their own Reporting!

So...WHO FUNDS the "Nation Magazine" and Their Own reporting?

"Nation" is always fond of hawking for you to go on their Cruises! What kind of Progressive Left Magazine has the readership who can afford that kind of thing for "access to their Reporters to Hob Nob with them?"

Quoting them, I think it is advisable for Greenwald to alert the public as to whom it is that NSA is using as their source.

Anything else would be negligence.

Greenwald certainly deserves to protect himself from this smear.

Greenwald's been called worse here, on DU of all places, and I promise you a lot more people read us than pando (who I have honestly never known about until this evening)...

I'd have thought if the NSA wanted a bought-and-paid-for media mouthpiece, they'd probably go for bigger and better known names than someone at pando....

when they merged:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/25/paul-carr-news-site-nsfw-corp-pando-daily

And notice that just 'pando.com' is a new URL - the old 'pandodaily.com' had a SEMrush US ranking of 2,853 - compared with DU's 4,824.

http://www.semrush.com/info/pandodaily.com?db=us
http://www.semrush.com/info/democraticunderground.com?db=us

I was wondering why I was finding so little in searches on "pando", (and for whatever reason, pando.com refuses to load in my browser) but "pandodaily" explains it all...Evidently it's the old "TechCrunch" from AOL lore...

For all it's traffic from covering the tech industry, pando doesn't seem to be a well-respected outlet (and there are multiple pieces out there of a similar tone):
http://www.kernelmag.com/yiannopoulos/1946/the-trouble-with-pandodaily/#

So again I ask, why would Greenwald even care? Especially at such a laughably farcical, attention-whoring accusation? I've long been one of Greenwald's biggest detractors on DU (albeit for a completely different set of reasons) and even I think the prospect of him selling the cache to Omidyar is about as likely as him selling it to space aliens...So at the end of the day Greenwald isn't 'defending himself', he's just giving some no-name nutbar the traffic he desperately craves...

As an aside, can Greenwald please STOP playing the tit-for-tat "But-WHO-signs-YOUR-paychecks?!?" game? It's a game that everyone eventually loses, and I promise you Greenwald will get (justifiably) biblical if someone started kicking over HIS financial rocks...

well put.