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changes the locks and moves out their belongings. WTF? Why isn't this guy just arrested for breaking and entering?
A family from Springfield, Ohio, returned home from visiting a dying relative only to find a stranger had moved into their home and changed the locks.
Even worse for the family, who wish to remain anonymous, the intruder may have the law on his side.
The new "owner" of the house is Robert Carr. He pounced when the family went to see their ill relative. Not only did he change the locks, he also emptied the house and produced court documents to show he was the owner, reported The Blaze website.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/real-estate/stranger-takes-family-home-legal-article-1.1533414#ixzz2mRWPj8LN
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Don't they going looking for stories to get white people angry and flustered over?
Who owns that site????
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)SPRINGDALE, Ohio A family in Springdale returned from an out-of-town visit to a dying relative to find someone else had moved into their home of 21 years. Their outrage has now turned into a court battle, pitting them against a man who says he has the court documents to prove the house is now his.
Read more: http://www.wlwt.com/news/wlwt-investigates-man-claims-abandoned-homes-are-up-for-grabs/-/9838224/23152246/-/wib2fe/-/index.html#ixzz2mRYazuKW
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)If it happened to one guy, then it could happen to me. I must get outraged and be scared of yet another thing. Drones, people stealing my house, knockout games..... It's a wonder we're still able to leave our house sometimes.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)This type of scam has been going on for quite some time in states that have similar laws. This particular individual currently holds 11 other quiet titles on what he deemed to be "abandoned" homes. This jerk in particular is a member of Sovereign Citizens movement.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)so that helps to make them whole from a financial aspect. Never-the-less they shouldn't have to endure the burden in the first place. Perhaps tweaking state laws could stop this practice.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)But yes, the law needs a bit of tweaking. It's a good law, but as with any good laws, if there is a dime sized hole in it, the bottom feeders will shove an elephant through it.
TeamPooka
(24,259 posts)loli phabay
(5,580 posts)TeamPooka
(24,259 posts)Seriously.
This guy is living on borrowed time if he keeps doing this IMHO.
And the law needs to be changed.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)TeamPooka
(24,259 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)vankuria
(904 posts)He claims the owners abandoned the properties, but wouldn't he have to prove this? And technically if there is a mortgage on the property doesn't the bank own it?
I just can't see how this guy would get very far and why he hasn't been arrested for breaking and entering, not to mention stealing the belongings of the owners.
Any real estate lawyers out there?
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Something very, very bogus here. I'll wait for the rest of the story.
Paladin
(28,276 posts)You can't just move into someone's residence, change the locks and claim it's yours, all of a sudden. Quiet title and adverse possession actions are governed by statutes and case law which establish time and action requirements, which have to be shown to have taken place. I don't understand why this family is being burdened by this crackpot's actions.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)This will not end well for him.
hatrack
(59,593 posts)maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)I was Class of '81, he's Class of '83. I have zero memory of him.
I think he believes this is legitimate. But if he forged the signature of the deedholder, it's not.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/i-team-woman-loses-home-after-alleged-fraudulent-quit-claim-deeds-filed
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)there seems to be a trend in utilizing this quiet claim deed transfer for frauds.
struggle4progress
(118,356 posts)01/12/2013 16:45:00
A 'sovereign citizen' who claimed an Ohio family's home while they visited a dying relative has filed deeds for another 11 properties. Ohio's Robert Carr applied for the 'quiet titles' after claiming the owners gave up their ownership rights when they left the property ... In relation to property, Carr claims home owners forfeit their ownership rights when they leave a property, even for a weekend. He doesn't expect to pay anything for the homes ...
countryjake
(8,554 posts)http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/26/man-lays-claims-to-abandoned-homes-and-rejects-criminal-charges-filed-against-him/
"Quiet title actions are used to determine who legally holds the title to property, because real estate may sometimes change hands frequently, and the lawsuits can help remove clouds over claims of ownership.
The suits are also used by so-called sovereign citizens, who believe they alone get to decide which laws to obey particularly tax and property laws based on what they determine to be the founding fathers intent.
The antigovernment movement has grown in recent years and is rooted in the anti-Semitic, anti-black and anti-tax Posse Comitatus movement of the 1970s and 1980s."
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)I can't see him surviving this criminal act otherwise.
struggle4progress
(118,356 posts)UPDATED 11:37 PM EST Dec 02, 2013
... Police say Robert Carr let himself inside while the family was out of town and made himself at home. When the family found Carr, he told them they had abandoned the house and that he was the new owner.
Carr said he had a "quiet title," which allowed him to claim the house as his own. Further, Carr felt the family had given up their rights to ownership.
Police saw the situation differently than Carr, and charged him with breaking and entering and theft.
www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/man-faces-charges-atfer-claiming-home-while-owners-out-of-town
jsr
(7,712 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:59 PM - Edit history (3)
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Texas-Squatter-on-Trial-Didnt-Mean-to-Break-Law-179313361.htmlSquatter Sentenced to 90 Days in Jail, 10 Years Probation
By Frank Heinz and Mola Lenghi | Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 | Updated 9:30 PM CST
A North Texas man convicted of theft and burglary after trying to claim squatters' rights on a house using an obscure state law was sentenced to 90 days in jail.
David Cooper faced up to life in prison for burglary of a habitation and one count of theft over $200,000.
Prosecutors said Cooper took possession of the house and all of its contents while the homeowners, a man and wife, were staying in an apartment in Houston, where she was undergoing cancer treatments.
Cooper said he was relying on a law allowing what's known as "adverse possession" that he studied at a law library. He filed a claim for $16 on a $400,000 Arlington home and moved in, but said he didn't know he was breaking the law.
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http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Squatters-busted-in-upscale-Plano-neighborhood-210509361.html
Squatters busted in upscale Plano neighborhood
by TERESA WOODARD
Posted on June 6, 2013 at 9:41 PM
PLANO -- Jeff Nunn and Melissa Nunn still can't quite understand what's happened to the home they worked so hard to build nine years ago.
Jeff and Melissa recently divorced and put their home in the Kings Ridge subdivision up for sale. Jeff moved out first. Melissa moved out in March, but they left many of their personal belongings behind.
Tuesday, neighbors called the Nunns to tell them strangers were in and out of the house. When Melissa arrived, she found men painting her home.
Those strangers were claiming Jeff and Melissa Nunn's home was theirs. They taped a piece of paper in the window announcing the home was abandoned and they were taking it over.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I was trying to figure out how this guy was finding these "abandoned" homes and I now know how. When a forclosure occurs the attorney handling the default is required to post a forclosure sale notice in the newspaper of local circulation. This is stated in the Deed of Trust or Mortgage that gets recorded in the County Courthouse. He then waits for the owners to leave the house and then claims that they have abandoned the property. He files theses briefs with the local courthouse to buy himself some time. Problem is the bank has a lien on the property and the house is the collateral. Say the owners have moved out because they do not want to be evicted after the forclosure is done, then this guy says the property is "abandoned' and he takes possession. This isn't going to work out for him because sooner or later the bank is going to win out and they will simply evict him. This guy is a scum bag plain and simple. he is preying on other peoples misfortunes.