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"You owe it to the American people..." (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 2013 OP
And, be honest about it Osiris Neits Dec 2013 #1
THe President does lead by example.. all you have to do is Cha Dec 2013 #2
Some get off on focusing on only the bad or what's wrong.. bearssoapbox Dec 2013 #3
I like that Graphic, bears.. sounds crazy but it's all Cha Dec 2013 #6
And that only shows a small part of their crazy. bearssoapbox Dec 2013 #7
Closing Guantanamo is not a propaganda whine PADemD Dec 2013 #10
The President wants it CLOSED. The Senate and the House Cha Dec 2013 #11
He's working on it, but babylonsister Dec 2013 #17
Or your side . . . HughBeaumont Dec 2013 #8
Actually, "ALL regressive wingnuts" don't "lurve" them some free trade. pampango Dec 2013 #9
Don't forget the Bush tax cuts for the rich! RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #12
You are absolutely correct but dotymed Dec 2013 #15
I love the President madokie Dec 2013 #4
Thanks for this madokie Dec 2013 #5
The next three years is going to be interesting polynomial Dec 2013 #13
Republicans tell the truth, lol. B Calm Dec 2013 #14
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #16
 

Osiris Neits

(7 posts)
1. And, be honest about it
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 06:10 AM
Dec 2013

For instance, don't tell us your for closing Guantanamo when you aren't. Don't say you'll end DEA raids on medical mj if you won't. Don't tell us you are against domestic wiretapping and for increased transparency, while wiretapping everyone and waging all out war on whistleblowers.

Of course, I believe BOTH sides "owe it to the American people". Maybe the president could lead by example.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
2. THe President does lead by example.. all you have to do is
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 06:14 AM
Dec 2013

OPEN your eyes and quit falling for every propaganda whine you come across.

bearssoapbox

(1,408 posts)
3. Some get off on focusing on only the bad or what's wrong..
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 06:32 AM
Dec 2013

Then pointing it out at every opportunity.

You know, just like Faux News hitting on the scripted talking points for the day.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
6. I like that Graphic, bears.. sounds crazy but it's all
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 06:37 AM
Dec 2013

too true in its 21st Century American Nightmare!

"Where Health Care Is For The Wealthy" Poor people can FORGET ABOUT IT!

That Viagra thing is NUTS!

bearssoapbox

(1,408 posts)
7. And that only shows a small part of their crazy.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 06:49 AM
Dec 2013

But if the peoples memory stays good until 2014 & 20016 and beyond maybe the mayhem of the past 30+ years can be reversed.

I just hope that the Dems don't get lazy and let the message about how the rethugs want to destroy all the advances that have been made over the past 70-80 years die.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
10. Closing Guantanamo is not a propaganda whine
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 07:47 AM
Dec 2013

It's one of the three main reasons I voted for President Obama:

1. End the Iraq war
2. Close Guantanamo
3. SINGLE PAYER universal health care

Cha

(297,240 posts)
11. The President wants it CLOSED. The Senate and the House
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 07:51 AM
Dec 2013

will not give him the money. Propaganda and Not understanding how the three branches of Government work.

babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
17. He's working on it, but
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 02:48 PM
Dec 2013

he does need some support and isn't getting much.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-recommits-to-closing-guantanamo-bay/

November 4, 2013, 6: 25 PM
Obama recommits to closing Guantanamo Bay


WASHINGTON The White House says President Barack Obama has met with two special envoys for closing the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, prison and recommitted to closing it.

Obama met Monday with State Department envoy Clifford Sloan and Pentagon envoy Paul Lewis. It's the first publicly announced meeting between Obama and the envoys.

Obama vowed to close the prison but has been thwarted by Congress. He announced in May he would appoint envoys and ordered the Pentagon to designate a site in the U.S. where detainee trials could be held.

"The Guantanamo facility continues to drain our resources and harm our standing in the world," White House press secretary Jay Carney said in a statement.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
8. Or your side . . .
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 07:02 AM
Dec 2013

. . . like, just spitballing here, telling us your party is the better alternative to the two major parties while supporting a candidate who's on board with The Fair Tax (Neal Boortz idea and a favorite of idle rich conservatives), Free Trade (Which ALL regressive wingnuts lurve), vouchers for schools and medicare (SUPER wingnuttery), deregulation (Let Big Biznezz run WILD), abolishing the IRS (Paulbot stupidity) and wants to defund/eliminate social programs (or, as conservaturds put it, "entitlements&quot .

Johnson's also a pro-lifer, is anti-universal health care and even hates the insurer-friendly "Obamacare".

How, exactly, are libertarians different from Republicans again?

pampango

(24,692 posts)
9. Actually, "ALL regressive wingnuts" don't "lurve" them some free trade.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 07:35 AM
Dec 2013


You are certainly right about everything else.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
15. You are absolutely correct but
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:05 AM
Dec 2013

many on this site have tunnel vision.
I despise everything that corporatists stand for.
The Democratic ideal is much better (IMO) than the republicans, since we only (maybe) get a choice between 2 corporate
candidates.
We must change "the rules of engagement", get the money and lies out of politics.
That is not a reason to be a candidate who will say anything to get elected, at this point it is SOP for "both parties."
We deserve much better (Bernie Sanders) and 2 parties can't adequately represent all Americans.
I do understand the concept (that IS the current republicans) of just griping about all democratic legislation while not standing FOR anything.

Leading by example from both sides is something that would help Democrats and America while showing the different ideologies. We are not a Democracy, we are capitalists.

polynomial

(750 posts)
13. The next three years is going to be interesting
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 07:52 AM
Dec 2013

I would like to suggest the idea of what is happening as “Political Intervention Time”. As one great massive collection of mixed impressions, mine included even though I too need to improve my syntax and semantics.

According to Wikidictionary intervention is; An orchestrated attempt to convince somebody to seek professional help with an addiction or other psychological issue. From my view add to that with a laugh and a chuckle as in scaling in and out of political nutsville, but understand corrupt reasoning in politics can make a society crazy example by that colorful mosaic in counter-dictions. Especially the one about veterans being moochers strikes a chord with me.

The GOP taking the position to do away with Obama care plus having a record to repeal it about forty times is insane. Just that will be a difficult re-election hurtle for anyone with the GOP label. It’s plain stupid to argue about improving healthcare. It’s a natural winner to improve health care. Just like to improve our already existing infrastructure. Wouldn’t it be difficult to tear down everything while planning ad hoc to build a new infrastructure?

It’s really meant to be Obama-scare as the message in political circles. A real good example is the afternoon radio message by a Mr. Welsh on hate radio in Chicago. In hour after hour delivering hate bias and untrue notions about President Obama being God.

This guy just defecates stinky stuff for hours. Martin Bashar would appreciate a Maxwell funnel directed at Sarah Palins podium. This Welch has so much Bull dung the angle of repose (dung mound) would most definitely reach Palins oratory orifice. Finally the Democratic medium knows how to sift through the sausage making schemes of network mainstream media. We just have to find a way to tap this new energy.

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