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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe HealthCare.gov rabbit hole: Where's the data going?
1.Those who signed up for a plan through the site, but later found that the insurer in question never received their signup information.
2.Those who signed up and had their information transmitted -- but only partially, forcing the insurer to perform some detective work to complete the application.
3.Those who've been signed up, but whose insurers haven't been told how much of their premium will be subsidized by the government, causing further delays.
The Washington Post went into some detail about the ways data provided to insurers by HealthCare.gov were falling short. The culprit was the "834 forms," or the paperwork sent out nightly to insurers to notify them of new subscribers. Said forms were often missing data or contained redundant data, such as duplicate enrollments.
According to the Post, some one-third of the people signing up since Oct. 1 had incomplete 834 data sent to insurers. The White House disputes this number and claims that as of right now, less than 0.5 percent of the site's users should experience problems with 834 form data. And the White House said late Wednesday it was readying a fix in cooperation with the insurers.
But one passage in the Post's article sheds light on how those mistakes might well have arisen in the first place. According to a "senior official on the project," some errors "in the past [834] forms were generated by the way people were using the system ... such as clicking twice on the confirmation button or moving backward and forward on the site."
If that's true, it's a distressing indictment of how the site's architecture wasn't designed to properly preserve user state during the course of a transaction, something any modern website ought to be engineered to deal with. (As Wired put it, "Obamacare website is in great shape -- if this were 1996."
http://www.infoworld.com/t/e-health/the-healthcaregov-rabbit-hole-wheres-the-data-going-232124
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)this week. It's a very good system both for caseworkers and clients who access the system from home. I was impressed by it's simplicity and efficiency. It's too bad the firm that designed it did not also design Healthcare.gov.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Mark my words.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)It will already be in a government database, so what possible reason would the NSA have for storing a duplicate of it?
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)next pope?
Seriously, NSA needs a reason?
Any governmental body after reaching a certain size, continued exsistence becomes it's goal. If that means monitoring more and more to increase it's budget, so be it.
And that being the case, why can't people just submit their names and then healthcare.gov can get the info from the NSA. The NSA seems to be way better at this than those laggards at HHS.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)any less true.
The unfortunate thing is Rwers argue both sides of the coin.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Not a huge concern.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)screaming point by the repukes. That is where the problem lies.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)is already bored (to their shame) with the NSA story.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)has to pick and choose which memes to amplify.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)get reined in. Sort of doubt it, but hey one can hope.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)What data will go to the NSA? Have you actually filled out an application? It's basic - more basic than an application someone fills out to buy a car.
It asks for your Social, income data and household. That's it. Things the government pretty much already has. Why would the NSA want that? And what would they do with it? More importantly - what makes you think they don't already have your income and Social?
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)It doesnt matter what it is, it's simply data to be accessed and captured.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)So, I'll just take that to mean you don't know what you are talking about.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)It's obvious you're struggling defending your position. That or you're suggesting that the NSA is so unorganized that they're now data mining websites that have information they've already should have on file being it's all GOVERNMENT INFORMATION ANYWAY. If that's the case, all this concern over the NSA is pretty laughably ridiculous. I mean, what the hell is the point of fearing an organization that is so inept it collects data it already should have?
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)I don't mind humoring you
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)I don't mind watching you spin in the wind as you try to rationalize something that can't be rationalized. It's quite cute.
I'm having fun!
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Still doesnt change anything though. If you bothered to read my posts you realize this isnt about rationality. However just seeing your responses shows as much.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)RobinA
(9,893 posts)of the conversation seems to be beaming in from the twilight zone. It's kind of funny, though.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)If it's on the internet backbone, it's in the NSA bottomless pit of storage. Maybe they will purge it, maybe they won't.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)The information the application asks of consumers is already known by the government - or what it will know when you file your taxes next year. There is nothing on that application that the big, bad, scary NSA hasn't already had access to over the years (from the Social Security Department or IRS or whatever).
So, if the NSA really is just going to compulsively collect data it already has, I'm not even going to worry about it. Why? Because it shws just how incompetent the organization is - when it's using its resources to collect all this data that is already entered into a computer somewhere else.
solarhydrocan
(551 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)You will look more and more obvious every day as the news continues to improve re: Obamacare.
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Skidmore
(37,364 posts)The problems are being addressed and corrected. There will continue to be problems regardless as more people use it and plans are added and dropped from the system. Guess what? ACA is the law. It will not go away. As a cancer survivor, I'm happy that companies are being required to provide coverage for people like me. Instead of whining, why not get behind improving ACA? People need access to healthcare at a reasonable cost. Anything less is immoral.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)spanone
(135,832 posts)really.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Lather, rinse, repeat.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)AlinPA
(15,071 posts)PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)for confirmation of my enrollment. I enrolled thru CoveredCA early Nov. and haven't heard a peep. Can't get thru on the phone either. We shall see!
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)As soon as the SCOTUS "cleared" it, there should have been a pre-clearance site set up to just register.. They could have chosen the plan they liked and printed out a paper form, then filled it out with all their pertinent info, and then SENT it to the insurance company, along with a customer number.,
The subsidy amount due them is an issue between the insurance co & the government anyway, so let those two work it out.
Less well-off folks could have registered through medicaid (if their state participated).
Insurance companies (the BIGGEST beneficiary) should have been more than happy to process the applications.
Payment options could have been made through paypal/google-pay for the ones who wanted to go that route.
the main problem I foresee is that the companies will be getting their subsidy money directly from Uncle Sam, and what if the customer does not make their share of the premium...or pays it late?