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pampango

(24,692 posts)
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 12:04 PM Dec 2013

UK Conservative "rebellion averted as immigration bill is delayed"

David Cameron has dodged an imminent revolt by 60 Tory backbenchers over the lifting of border controls on Bulgarians and Romanians, as the government revealed that the immigration bill would be delayed until the new year.

Dozens of Conservatives are backing an amendment to the bill that would stop restrictions on workers from the two newest EU countries being lifted on 1 January. The government has introduced new restrictions on benefits for new migrants, but the rebels continue to raise fears about an influx of citizens from Romania and Bulgaria when the so-called "transitional" restrictions end.

The row comes as Theresa May, the home secretary, heads to Brussels on Thursday to make the case for new conditions on freedom of movement throughout the EU. She is seeking a cap on the number of European workers who would be allowed into Britain, after net migration from the EU rose from 72,000 to 106,000 in the year to June.

Any restrictions on free movement are fiercely opposed by the European commission and many EU member states. Downing Street claims it has a "growing coalition of support" for Britain's attempts to reform the principle of free movement after Cameron called for an end to vast migrations of people from poor to rich countries within the EU.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/05/tory-rebellion-averted-immigration-bill-delayed

Conservatives are blocking immigration reform in the US and trying to roll back the EU's freedom of movement principle. There is a certain consistency there.

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UK Conservative "rebellion averted as immigration bill is delayed" (Original Post) pampango Dec 2013 OP
Limits seveneyes Dec 2013 #1
There aren't limits on movement between states in the USA, but you don't get mass internal migration muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #2
The EU has survived freedom of movement for decades. As has the US even though some states pampango Dec 2013 #3
 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
1. Limits
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 12:17 PM
Dec 2013

Regardless of the political title one holds, isn't there really some upper limit to how many people can take up residence? If untold millions of unskilled people move in to utilize the resources, wouldn't something relating to survival eventually break down? I'm no expert on the EU immigration policies, but common sense says that there must be some limit that will be breached in the future if no controls are in place.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
2. There aren't limits on movement between states in the USA, but you don't get mass internal migration
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 12:29 PM
Dec 2013

even though some states have suffered more than others in the recession. And that's among states speaking the same language; there aren't that many jobs to go after where proficiency in the main language of a country isn't an asset, so 'untold millions' are unlikely to move between most EU countries.

A lot of people won't move for job prospects because of family ties and commitments - children in schools using their native language, relatives to help look after, and so on. And the cost of living in more prosperous countries tends to be higher, so it's not worth moving unless you're confident you can find a decent-paying job.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
3. The EU has survived freedom of movement for decades. As has the US even though some states
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 12:31 PM
Dec 2013

(California and Florida pop to mind) have been popular destinations of people moving from other states. There are ways to deal with the effects of population movement (whether to the UK and Germany or to California and Florida) without building walls (physical or legal) around them.

My impression is that the principle of the EU is 'we are all on this continent together'. The idea is not to keep your problems and your poor away from us (because history shows that they do not state within national borders forever), but to eliminate poverty and war on the continent. The concept has worked well for decades though some people naturally resist the softening of the concept of national sovereignty.

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