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ESPN saying Jameis Winston will not be charged for sexual assault or anything else. (Original Post) GreatCaesarsGhost Dec 2013 OP
Least surprising news of the day. bullwinkle428 Dec 2013 #1
Will he be invited to the Heisman dinner? wercal Dec 2013 #3
Almost certainly he will n/t Kurska Dec 2013 #9
When is the final voting? NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #48
She was asking for it...his DNA is there, so they had sex, but she was passed out drunk... joeybee12 Dec 2013 #2
Don't forget that the Heisman trophy is about to be awarded, and he's bullwinkle428 Dec 2013 #4
And the BCS Championship is coming, and FSU will get LOTS of money from that... joeybee12 Dec 2013 #5
Is it a fact that she passed out prior to or during sex? Nt Pitagoras Dec 2013 #6
Read the warrant...nt joeybee12 Dec 2013 #7
Tell me what the warrant says before I waste my time Pitagoras Dec 2013 #10
The warrant does not prove anything besides what was claimed anyway. Kurska Dec 2013 #11
The warrant is enough for joey Pitagoras Dec 2013 #13
Wow, 28 posts, did you jioin just to defend a rapist? nt joeybee12 Dec 2013 #18
Rapist? Pitagoras Dec 2013 #20
with only 29 posts...you haven't discussed other topics much! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #29
That doesn't prove I joined just to discuss this one Pitagoras Dec 2013 #41
Nice to know you. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #32
Did you join just to call people who haven't be convicted of anything a rapist? Kurska Dec 2013 #24
You do this issue absolutely no favors with this tripe. Vinnie From Indy Dec 2013 #27
Heck, people have stated on Du that a drunk woman cannot be raped KitSileya Dec 2013 #21
I find that hard to believe pintobean Dec 2013 #42
I sent the link in a mail. KitSileya Dec 2013 #43
Thank you pintobean Dec 2013 #44
Yes, that was when I had to step away from the rape porn threads KitSileya Dec 2013 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #47
She said she was drunk but they found no evidence of alcohol or date rape drugs in her system Kurska Dec 2013 #8
There was also another man's DNA on her RockaFowler Dec 2013 #12
I hadn't heard that. n/t Kurska Dec 2013 #14
Because goodness knows a woman who has had sex historylovr Dec 2013 #22
like that lady Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #26
Way to miss the point. historylovr Dec 2013 #34
She was drunk Sgent Dec 2013 #31
Firstly, she was claiming that she was black out drunk .1 isn't even close to blackout. Kurska Dec 2013 #33
From Yahoo Sports Sgent Dec 2013 #35
Yeah I found right before .1 still isn't even close to the amount needed to cause memory loss Kurska Dec 2013 #36
I never really suggested it did Sgent Dec 2013 #38
I agree the investigation was flawed Kurska Dec 2013 #40
Wonder what Brian Banks makes of this. nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2013 #15
Try to contain your shock. KamaAina Dec 2013 #16
Hopefully a team in the AFC North will draft him KamaAina Dec 2013 #17
I'm sure the fans of that team will greet him like the victim he certainly is...nt joeybee12 Dec 2013 #19
No big surprise Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #23
Good grief, you people have already convicted the kid without a trial. Elwood P Dowd Dec 2013 #25
Stop it CFLDem Dec 2013 #28
who needs a trial? Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #30
And out comes the persecution complex. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #37
I was being sarcastic Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #39
Amazing isn't it? NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #46

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
48. When is the final voting?
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 05:55 PM
Dec 2013

If the votes are already in, yes he will win it. If not, he still might shit the bed against Duke.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
2. She was asking for it...his DNA is there, so they had sex, but she was passed out drunk...
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 02:49 PM
Dec 2013

so obviously she was asking for it...this is clearly NOT a case of a football town deliberately pulling strings to protect its star quarterback, a young guy who figures since everybody worships him, he can do no wrong and do anything he freaking wants...I repeat...NONE of this obviously applies here.












bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
4. Don't forget that the Heisman trophy is about to be awarded, and he's
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 02:54 PM
Dec 2013

the favorite to win it - can't spoil that party!

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
5. And the BCS Championship is coming, and FSU will get LOTS of money from that...
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 02:55 PM
Dec 2013

A shame that a rape might spoil all that!

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
11. The warrant does not prove anything besides what was claimed anyway.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:40 PM
Dec 2013

If they could prove she was passed out, they wouldn't even need the warrant.

 

Pitagoras

(30 posts)
20. Rapist?
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:24 PM
Dec 2013

That was one quick trial!
Secondly, you know that I have discussed other topics prior to discussing this rape allegation; therefore you simply wanted to avoid explaining how it was that you found proof that the accuser was passed out prior to, or during sex.

Can you now answer my question regarding how you know what happened?

 

Pitagoras

(30 posts)
41. That doesn't prove I joined just to discuss this one
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:16 PM
Dec 2013

As implied by the member calling a man a rapist based on an allegation.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
24. Did you join just to call people who haven't be convicted of anything a rapist?
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 06:54 PM
Dec 2013

He was only accused, that doesn't make him guilty of anything.

Here I am going to accuse you of murder. You killed someone. Are you now a murderer?

Vinnie From Indy

(10,820 posts)
27. You do this issue absolutely no favors with this tripe.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 07:37 PM
Dec 2013

I agree that these things are very serious and should be rigorously pursued, but your comment is way out of line.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
21. Heck, people have stated on Du that a drunk woman cannot be raped
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:13 PM
Dec 2013

And at least 3 jurors agreed with them. Nothing surprises me these days.

After all, any woman who drinks knows what effect the alcohol will have on her, and causing a woman to become inebriated *certainly* does not constitute rape if you have sex with her.

Do I really need the sarcasm tag?

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
45. Yes, that was when I had to step away from the rape porn threads
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 12:52 PM
Dec 2013

It just crushed so much of my belief in DU- not that a relative newcomer said it, but that a jury let it stand.

Response to joeybee12 (Reply #2)

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
8. She said she was drunk but they found no evidence of alcohol or date rape drugs in her system
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:34 PM
Dec 2013

More accurately, they found barely any alcohol. That pretty much destroyed her case. There is no way any jury on this planet would convict him with that information known.

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
26. like that lady
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 07:00 PM
Dec 2013

Who had sex in public thay was filmed that went viral and claimed she was raped...until witness testimony was examined. False accusations..

historylovr

(1,557 posts)
34. Way to miss the point.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:30 PM
Dec 2013

Just because she had DNA from two different guys does not mean a rape did not occur.

False accusations of rape are rare. It's not worth it. Heck, it's not worth it to report a rape, period, more often than not.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
31. She was drunk
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:22 PM
Dec 2013

they found (the day after) when a rape kit was performed, a .04 BAC in her system, which extrapolates back to about a .10.

Apparently in FL .10 isn't drunk enough, absent other evidence, to be unable to provide consent.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
33. Firstly, she was claiming that she was black out drunk .1 isn't even close to blackout.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:28 PM
Dec 2013

.1 is barely above the legal limit for driving (which anyone will tell you are kept at just barely above light impairment), if everyone who has consensual sex with someone at a .1 is a rapist then about half of Florida is a rapist.

Correction: Found a source that says it extrapolates to .1, that still isn't much.

A big problem is that she claimed to have six shots of alcohol, which put would even a larger person way over .1. Six shots would put the average person at around a .3, not a .1.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
35. From Yahoo Sports
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:38 PM
Dec 2013

I've found it elsewhere, but a quick google brought up:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/legal-fate-fsu-quarterback-answered-090021650--ncaaf.html

Quote from article:
Meggs' office took over the case last month. Investigators interviewed the accuser, other witnesses and collected evidence before the prosecutor made his decision.

He said the woman's blood-alcohol content at the hospital was .04 and investigators estimated it to be about .10 at the time of the incident, based on the amount of time that had passed. The legal limit to drive in Florida is .08.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
36. Yeah I found right before .1 still isn't even close to the amount needed to cause memory loss
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:40 PM
Dec 2013

or severe impairment. Which is exactly what she is claiming she experienced. The number of drinks she claimed to have also doesn't even remotely add up to what her blood level was.

So yeah, nothing about what she says matches the evidence, insofar as her alcohol consumption goes.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
38. I never really suggested it did
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:52 PM
Dec 2013

that being said, alcohol impacts everyone differently.

I agree that there wasn't enough evidence, baring a state law which bars consent beyond a certain BAC, to charge him.

I have real problems with how the police handled the investigation, but that doesn't mean he should have been charged.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
40. I agree the investigation was flawed
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:03 PM
Dec 2013

The very fact that this was buried and then brought up months later speaks to that fact.

Yes alcohol does impact everyone differently. Frankly she could have been blackout drunk, but have a incredibly beneficent metabolic process for alcohol. That is possible, but possible isn't evidence.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
17. Hopefully a team in the AFC North will draft him
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:53 PM
Dec 2013

so he can duke it out with Roethlisberger in the Rapist Bowl.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
23. No big surprise
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 06:45 PM
Dec 2013

Florida St. is about to collect tens of millions in payouts for their next two games...

No one is going to be allowed to interfere with that, no matter what her story is...

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
25. Good grief, you people have already convicted the kid without a trial.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 06:59 PM
Dec 2013

None of us has studied the evidence, interviewed witnesses, compared stories, etc.. Who knows what really happened here, but none of us fucking know, that's for sure.

Perception and reality are often 180 degrees out of phase.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
28. Stop it
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 07:42 PM
Dec 2013

Your brand of rational justice is too extreme!

After all the profit motive proves everything!

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
30. who needs a trial?
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:08 PM
Dec 2013

if a man is accused then he must be guilty. No trial needed no evidence. Men are bad and their words doesn't count ..

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
39. I was being sarcastic
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:03 PM
Dec 2013


When there are allegations of rape there are two equally important sides.. the right of women to file police reports and the right of the accused to be innocent until proven guilty. The equality of both sides is where the friction arises.. we cannot automatically assume guilt yet at the same time we can't assume that the allegations are unfounded.

It is a no win situation.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
46. Amazing isn't it?
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:38 PM
Dec 2013

I wish one of these psychics would send me tonight's lottery numbers.

BTW...Florida State is in my top five most hated teams, just for anyone who thinks I'm some sort of FSU homer.

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