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(19,768 posts)Sickening people who do this kind of thing.
Sad an animal has to die to feed somebody's ego.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I am so fucking disgusted by that picture. The OP made a very good point. I hope to be so lucky as to see lions in the wild, hopefully psycho bastards like Ms. Bachmann and the king of Spain won't have slaughtered them all yet.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Maraya1969
(22,486 posts)Please post on these FB pages about her if you have an account.
The first link is a page to get rid of her and the second is a fan site of hers. The members are horrifying so they are worth explaining things to.
Well maybe not explaining but a few choice words about how pathetic and COWARDLY they all are will work.
https://www.facebook.com/events/232475696912873/
https://www.facebook.com/MelissaBachmanSupporters
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Maraya1969
(22,486 posts)many likes I think. Either way they might have the email. I've been reading and she and some other chick who does this are getting tons of hate mail.
I just read this: "TV presenter Melissa Bachman posted a photo of lion she allegedly shot and killed on Twitter, and was met with the full force of the animal-loving internet.
Bachman tweeted, saying: An incredible day hunting in South Africa! Stalked inside 60-yards on this beautiful male lion
what a hunt! The tweet included a photo of Bachman and her gun looming over a (presumably dead) male lion. African lions are not an endangered species, but their status is considered vulnerable.
Bachman is currently a producer and co-host for the show Winchester Deadly Passion. Shes also no stranger to controversy as she was previously dropped as a contestant on the National Geographic TV show Ultimate Survivor Alaska after a petition on Change.org called for her dismissal as Bachman is a contracted trophy killer. The petition gained over 13,000 signatures in just 24 hours."
http://www.buzzfeed.com/catesevilla/tv-presenter-melissa-bachman-angers-entire-internet-after-sh
And there is a petition to get her out of Africa that that is closed now but it got almost 500,000 names in one day.
NealK
(1,870 posts)NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Its makes no sense to be proud of just killing something beautiful. It certainly doesn't seem natural to me and I don't understand why societies condone it.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I thought it was so odd that she called him a beautiful male lion.
Was she just like...oh, it's so beautiful! Blam!
Who shoots something after remarking/noticing how beautiful it is?
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)People who hunt for food.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)that eats lions for food?
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Im talking in general. Lion hunting seems to be trophy only, right?
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Although, they stab or strangle sometimes.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)That photo essay really puts it in perspective. Thanks.
on edit: seriously, how would she possibly think that anyone could look at the beautiful lion and her stupid arrogant grin and think "way to go lady"? She must spend her time with psychopaths.
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)Of course this is more typical of the hunting they do today
because conservation and tourism has become integral to their economy...
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)samsingh
(17,599 posts)NickB79
(19,253 posts)Two rightwing nutjobs from Minnesota with similar last names?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)I am so sick and tired of "sportsman" hunters...there is nothing sporting about firing lead projectiles from an invention you had NOTHING to do with conceiving or realizing into an animal that would otherwise rip out your lungs and eat your liver before you could blink.
Wanna impress me lady? Hunt that lion with a knife and kill it and THEN I will be impressed. Otherwise you're nothing more than a sniper not a hunter.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)Fucking cowardly, self-absorbed, psychopathic killers.
Retrograde
(10,137 posts)But it's more controlled, and in part intended to cull the old, weak males from the packs (they'd otherwise die of starvation). I worked with a guy from Ethiopia who participated in one: he and some friends put their names in the state lottery for a license, and eventually got one. They were told how to identify "their" lion (they couldn't just go shoot one at random), and given a week to hunt, IIRC. No lions were actually seen, but he reported that plenty of beer was consumed.
spanone
(135,847 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)How friggin sick.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)sakabatou
(42,159 posts)Cheetahs are already at risk.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)with a spear, not so cowardly
meti57b
(3,584 posts)Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)Or, to be more precise, the things he states are only true in areas where these animals are protected and are actually fed.
Anyone who thinks actually hunting Lions is a SAFE activity -- particularly in heavy brush -- is out of their gourd or being deliberately misleading.
That said, I am not a fan of trophy hunting like this, but I understand that properly managed hunting can provide a valuable source of income and incentive to protect the animals from poaching.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)is where she shot the lion
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liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)It boggles the mind how someone could murder such a beautiful, majestic creature and be proud of it. She belongs in the same hell as Cheney.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...deep down, ugliness.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)How anyone could have that big stupid grin on their face after deliberately killing such a beautiful creature is just beyond my comprehension.
leftwingbuffalowing
(4 posts)I am a vegetarian, but I do not believe that eating meat is inherently wrong. I do believe though, that killing an animal is only justifiable in means of self-defense or for a source of food. Killing an animal just for fun or so that you can have its head on your wall, is, in my opinion, wrong.
G_j
(40,367 posts)it IS wrong!
penultimate
(1,110 posts)The Wizard
(12,545 posts)they hunt wolves from helicopters with automatic weapons. Mankind can do much better.
penultimate
(1,110 posts)I have no problem with people who hunt animals they will eat, but the sport hunting is twisted. I take it she is just going to have the poor guy stuffed? Senseless and cowardly to kill an animal that isn't any threat to you or that you don'r plan on eating.
Finnmccool
(74 posts)that Lion was raised on a Lion farm and was in a cage hours before she killed it.
rwsanders
(2,606 posts)They only act nasty when someone is trying to kill them. Imagine that?
Maybe there's a foreign policy lesson in that somewhere.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)But it's certainly in the ballpark!
I hope Melissa bachman enjoys every bite of that lion, and pity that the roles were not reversed. Fuck her and her ilk.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)It's not mine. I just found it worth posting for everyone to see. Credit goes to Richard in Maryland.
It is the epitome of mans complete disregard for nature, for the pursuit of our own approval and self esteem. Look at her, she looks so proud with her big gun and smiley punch-me-in-my-stupid face family picture. You, lady, are what is wrong with the world. Take with no consequences. Shoot, kill, consume, destroy. That animal was born to a mother, was a father to many children, and was good at its pure existence. It might have been 10/20 years old, endured droughts, hunger, all the elements and everything thrown at it, BUT YOU came along with a nice big gun, probably 5 other tough guys driving with you, and your digital camera, and TOOK that all away! I hope you are proud, and when you are old and dying, remember in your last moments, what a great representation you have made of yourself and your contribution to earth. You didn't kill a lion, you stood behind a machine and pulled a little trigger, you pathetic, sad excuse of a human. Your money, your hunting antics, your insecurity to look at an amazing animal with the need to kill it instead of appreciating it and letting it be, are the traits of a coward. How much did you pay for that kodak moment? Did the lion get any of that money? I don't think so... If you enjoy that kind of blood sport it would be an equal match to pay to have you shot, put some proud pictures up on a blog, and make sure your family doesn't get a cent! Sounds fair! I really, really, really wish all the cyber-bullying the world has left to give, to give it all to you..... you asked for the attention, the moment you claimed your prize!
navarth
(5,927 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)It gives one a window into their incredibly sick and twisted minds.
You should NEVER kill a lion (rhino, elephant, etc..) unless he is charging you to make you into poo later the next day. I have heard of lions becoming man killers and I can understand the need to kill them to protect the human heard, but killing a lion for sport only proves one loves death (or murdering something) more than life imo.
Killing something for food, totally different subject imo...see "lion charging to make you into poo" for a reference.
Triana
(22,666 posts)Here's another killer of precious endangered species:
https://twitter.com/olivianalos
Dumbass cowards, indeed.
hue
(4,949 posts)Lithos
(26,403 posts)Disgusting...
Simply disgusting...
Cowardly is a *nice* word. I would say psychotic...
L-
Flatpicker
(894 posts)Hunted it with a camera lens.
Then you have your ego boost. (I got within 60 yards of a lion.)
And the lion could have kept his life.
Dash87
(3,220 posts)Humans - they make no sense.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)And a true test of your courage.
Just as long as the only thing you have to do the job is a sharp stick.
And NO backup.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Of course with one of these...
Both make it home, and you do get your "trophy."
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Wolf Frankula
(3,601 posts)No? Leave the lion alone.
Was the lion trying to kill her or hers? No? Leave the lion alone.
Wolf
Logical
(22,457 posts)navarth
(5,927 posts)just like all who kill for sport.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)The "hunter" in the photo is little bag of piss poor protoplasm.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)To get Melissa Bachman off the air:
www.thepetitionsite.com/387/581/929/stop-melissa-bachman/
efhmc
(14,731 posts)No can do. Unfortunately, that leads to paper mail.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)safari vehicles are harmless. But lions are not stupid. If people start shooting them from vehicles, you can bet the lions won't be so nonchalant anymore when they see the safari wagons coming. I was fortunate to go on safari and see them in the bush. Breathtaking experience and yes they are so close by you can hardly believe it.
How anyone could shoot one is beyond me. You don't eat lion, and I wouldn't shoot one if I did. I just heard there aren't that many in the wild anymore. Man, I hate that woman for shooting that lion. I'm nonviolent, so I'd better shut up before I write something I'll regret. Suffice it today, she's on my shit list.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)couldn't fire back.
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blondie58
(2,570 posts)I am not a hunter and quite honestly, I don't know how anyone can take another souls life. I lean Buddhist- I don't kill anything. I didn't realize how easy it is- thanks for the cool pictures.
"Every creature has a soul although the body may be different. "
Hippocrates
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)That a PIG can kill a lion.
I wish the woman bad luck, in any way possible.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Fellow Daily Maverick columnist Ivo Vegter points out that thousands of legal lion hunts are carried out in game parks across the country in an industry that contributes over R6.2 billion (£385m) to the South African economy, and questions why this particular case has received international notoriety.
"Is it not curious that a perfectly legal hunt justifies crudely insulting a woman in sexist terms?" he asks. "Loads of men shoot loads of lions all the time", he says, but none of them make it onto BuzzFeed or "get called sexist names by Ricky Gervais".
The hunting safari was organised by Maroi Conservancy who issued a statement on Facebook insisting that they would not apologise for facilitating the legal hunt. They argue that the meat from the animals is given to the local community and that funds from the hunts help to manage "sustainable conservancy" in the region.
South African Minister for Environmental Affairs, Edna Molewa has defended game farming and hunting, saying it contributes significantly "to conservation, tourism development, job creation and sustainable development, especially in rural areas, and is part of the broader biodiversity economy".
http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/56178/melissa-bachman-why-its-wrong-hate-us-lion-killer#ixzz2myKL1iHe
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)a replacement dominant male will then take over the pride's territory.
The new dominant pride male will kill all the cubs sired by the previous male.
It makes this sort of "hunting" doubly egregious.
I was a deer hunter until recently. This lion hunting isn't hunting.
weissmam
(905 posts)while there are very good reasons to own fire-arms and to some degree I understand hunting, I think that people (who are not law enforcement and military) that are too into fire-arms are lacking elsewhere if you know what I mean
Burma Jones
(11,760 posts)randr
(12,412 posts)Far more obscene than people fucking are people killing.
rdking647
(5,113 posts)only a coward uses a gun to kill a wild animal that isnt threating her.
if she used a sword or a knife id have some respect for her but using a gun makes her a coward
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Breaker Morant
(1 post)I realize there is little interest here in people looking at the nuances of hunting in Africa and its place in saving wildlife in Africa, but I will throw my experience and thoughts out there for those who may be interested in taking a further look.
1) Fundamental to any discussion of African wildlife and hunting is the understanding that wildlife has to "Pay its own way" in Africa. This is unfortunate, but it a simple fact of life.
2)I recommend the book "Game Changer: Animal Rights and the Fate of Africa's Wildlife." by Glen Martin. This book looks at the case for hunting and its role in saving Africa's wildlife. It also takes a critical look at the animal rights movement and ecotourism and the damage they are doing to wildlife.
I doubt few here have ever read anything like it, but as "Open-minded" liberals I would expect everyone to read the book to be able to discuss the subject rationally.
3)The original photo essay is misleading. Lions in tourism areas as documented in the essay which are acclimated to vehicle presence are essentially different animals than lions in wild hunting areas.
4) It is easy for western Liberals to advocate photo tourism without considering deeper issues. As discussed in "Game Changer" and witnessed by myself, there are areas that are not suitable for photographic tourism. How is game supposed to be saved in those areas, other than through the dollars brought in by hunting?
5) (Expansion of #4) I went hunting in Zimbabwe this summer and part of my hunt took place on a property called "Breakfast Farm." Breakfast Farm is not suitable for photographic safaris. For various reasons, you could tell that Breakfast Farm is doing a good job of preserving wildlife habitat and populations.
The meat from the game that I shot went to the villages and they were very happy to get it. They also received a fair amount of money for the 2 animals that I shot on their property.
The fact that I hunted there and provided meat and money to Breakfast Farm helped give them an incentive to maintain wildlife habitat and populations. Without hunting to provide income, Breakfast Farm would have little incentive to maintain habitat and populations and the game would be poached out and the land developed for grazing and crop land.
Furthermore, Breakfast Farm is an inherent part of a much larger, intact ecosystem. The loss of Breakfast Farm as a buffer to these other areas (including national parks) would harm the whole ecosystem.
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)was used in the appropriate way. People were fed, so it's death was not a sad waste. Animals in the wild also hunt for food, this is a natural thing, and more or less proper. When the kill benefits the community, the hunter, or the hunter's family, I have no moral objection to it.
That said, I also have known hunters who have left the animals to rot after killing them - aside from perhaps the head, which they take as a trophy to be stuffed and mounted upon their wall. Does having such a trophy in one's home indicate a mighty hunter or huntress? I don't think so.
When there is need, nearly everything in nature will kill to support it's continued existence. That said, it is largely only humans who mindlessly slaughter without need, or apparent benefit. This is one of the most despicable things about our species. Hunting, killing, should never simply be for the sake of an ego boost, bragging rights, or perhaps a response to boredom. If we do not approach such thing with the seriousness and respect it deserves, then I feel that we are greatly lessened by the experience, becoming something less than animal.
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Will she be skinning the lion and using it's fur/pelt/mane/whatever to keep warm? Probably not. She probably won't be eating the meat. Does she intend to earn a profit through selling it's dead body? I just honestly don't understand the purpose of this. I always feel a little sad when I see a moose or a deer on the back of a truck, waiting to be weighed and turned into steaks and burgers... but I understand that at least people will benefit from it in some relatively honest way. What I can't understand is the purpose of killing something just for bragging rights. Kill a lion from many yards away, or perhaps a tiger, cougar, grizzly bear... okay, so you can actually shoot a large target that you're aiming at, that you probably had the jump on. Where is the sport in that?
Living up here in Northern Maine, I understand killing animals for food, or in self defense (an angry bear is a thing of terror, though the black bear rarely bothers humans). I don't understand though, why anyone would kill something just for a trophy. With a gun, from a safe distance. Sport? Seems more like mindless slaughter.
A couple months ago I was on my way home from work, it was a brisk autumn day, the foliage was beautiful, leaves of red, green, orange and yellow filled the forest around the lake where my family lives. As I made it to the lake road, several yards in front of me an enormous moose walked out into the road. I stopped the car and stared at it for a minute. Rolled down the window and shouted, "Hey, quit blocking traffic!". The moose turned and stared at me with a look resembling amused boredom. I swallowed, hoping it didn't decide to charge my little ford focus. It just wandered around the road for a few minutes before finally trotting off into the trees. I shook my head, chuckling, but also a little relieved that I hadn't run into it out on the highway.
The thought of someone shooting that giant from forty yards away fills me with sadness. It was near hunting season, so it's possible that that is exactly what happened. I'm not Dr. Do Little, I talk to the animals, but they don't talk back. Yet I still have a healthy respect and fondness for most of them. I suppose I could hunt for food if I had to, but I consider hunting merely for sport despicable and cowardly.
NealK
(1,870 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Feral Child
(2,086 posts)(I really do) that someday her "professional guide/back-up killer" slips up and she gets mauled by one of her intended trophies.
I don't want her to die, oh, no. I want her to spend a large chunk of her inherited wealth over the next 40-60 years paying people to lift her in and out of the bathtub and spoon-feed her.
I want her to shit in a colostomy-bag for the rest of her wasted, privileged life.
Sorry, folks, I won't go off like this often but I'm very honest about my feelings toward such people.
I don't believe in karma, but I hope for it.
petronius
(26,602 posts)activities extending long before and long after the hunt itself, for example:
- Before: training physically for the rigor of the hunt, mastering the gear to be used, studying the environment and habits of the prey species;
- During: finding, tracking, stalking the prey, killing it humanely, field-dressing, packing out;
- After: butchering, storing, cooking, consuming, washing the dishes.
However, I get the sense that there are some 'hunters' on these safaris who are simply transported to where they can take a shot, and then go home with a photo and a chunk of dead beast for the wall. All I can see there is that the pleasure is in the killing-an-animal part, and that's contemptible.
It's perfectly reasonable to acknowledge that there are positive spinoffs to this behavior (local food, money, and conservation) while still despising the actions of the so-called 'hunter.'
* I don't hunt, except in the ocean with a speargun, so take my opinion FWIW...
Paladin
(28,266 posts)It doesn't qualify as "hunting"; it's basically just "aiming." The longer I live, the more I regret taking part in it.
And to hell with this wretched woman and her "trophy."