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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 03:43 AM Dec 2013

State surveillance of personal data is theft, say world's leading authors • 500 signatories include

More than 500 of the world's leading authors, including five Nobel prize winners, have condemned the scale of state surveillance revealed by the whistleblower Edward Snowden and warned that spy agencies are undermining democracy and must be curbed by a new international charter.

The signatories, who come from 81 different countries and include Margaret Atwood, Don DeLillo, Orhan Pamuk, Günter Grass and Arundhati Roy, say the capacity of intelligence agencies to spy on millions of people's digital communications is turning everyone into potential suspects, with worrying implications for the way societies work.

They have urged the United Nations to create an international bill of digital rights that would enshrine the protection of civil rights in the internet age.

Their call comes a day after the heads of the world's leading technology companies demanded sweeping changes to surveillance laws to help preserve the public's trust in the internet – reflecting the growing global momentum for a proper review of mass snooping capabilities in countries such as the US and UK, which have been the pioneers in the field.

The open letter to the US president, Barack Obama, from firms including Apple, Google, Microsoft and Facebook, will be followed by the petition, which has drawn together a remarkable list of the world's most respected and widely-read authors, who have accused states of systematically abusing their powers by conducting intrusive mass surveillance.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/10/surveillance-theft-worlds-leading-authors






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State surveillance of personal data is theft, say world's leading authors • 500 signatories include (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 OP
The letters Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #1
And here's the response from the white house (to tech companies)... countryjake Dec 2013 #3
blah blah blah Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #4
Yup. countryjake Dec 2013 #7
Lip Service ReRe Dec 2013 #8
Much irony in that letter hootinholler Dec 2013 #11
Happy 5th BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #2
The NSA must have Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #5
I have a lvl 90 rogue and a raiding guild BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #6
I remember that! CNN ran a poll: hootinholler Dec 2013 #12
Hahaha! I hadn't seen that graphic BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #13
It's an actual screen capture from a CNN poll hootinholler Dec 2013 #14
K&R ReRe Dec 2013 #9
k&r idwiyo Dec 2013 #10

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
1. The letters
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 04:59 AM
Dec 2013




The letter by the authors

A stand for democracy in a digital age

In recent months, the extent of mass surveillance has become common knowledge. With a few clicks of the mouse the state can access your mobile device, your email, your social networking and internet searches. It can follow your political leanings and activities and, in partnership with internet corporations, it collects and stores your data, and thus can predict your consumption and behaviour.

The basic pillar of democracy is the inviolable integrity of the individual. Human integrity extends beyond the physical body. In their thoughts and in their personal environments and communications, all humans have the right to remain unobserved and unmolested.

This fundamental human right has been rendered null and void through abuse of technological developments by states and corporations for mass surveillance purposes.

A person under surveillance is no longer free; a society under surveillance is no longer a democracy. To maintain any validity, our democratic rights must apply in virtual as in real space.

* Surveillance violates the private sphere and compromises freedom of thought and opinion.

* Mass surveillance treats every citizen as a potential suspect. It overturns one of our historical triumphs, the presumption of innocence.

* Surveillance makes the individual transparent, while the state and the corporation operate in secret. As we have seen, this power is being systemically abused.

* Surveillance is theft. This data is not public property: it belongs to us. When it is used to predict our behaviour, we are robbed of something else: the principle of free will crucial to democratic liberty.

WE DEMAND THE RIGHT for all people to determine, as democratic citizens, to what extent their personal data may be legally collected, stored and processed, and by whom; to obtain information on where their data is stored and how it is being used; to obtain the deletion of their data if it has been illegally collected and stored.

WE CALL ON ALL STATES AND CORPORATIONS to respect these rights.

WE CALL ON ALL CITIZENS to stand up and defend these rights.

WE CALL ON THE UNITED NATIONS to acknowledge the central importance of protecting civil rights in the digital age, and to create an international bill of digital rights.

WE CALL ON GOVERNMENTS to sign and adhere to such a convention.

Signed by more than 500 writers from around the world


List of signatories by name and country



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/10/international-bill-digital-rights-petition-text.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
3. And here's the response from the white house (to tech companies)...
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 05:08 AM
Dec 2013
The White House responded with the following statement from National Security Council Spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden:


We have received the letter from the eight companies, and we appreciate both their concerns and their recognition of this important global issue. As you know, the President directed a review of our surveillance capabilities and programs several months ago, and we are working toward the completion of that review. Throughout this process, we have engaged with these and other companies, with civil society and with national security and privacy experts, in a dialogue about privacy and the security of our nation and our partners and allies. We are going to continue that engagement through the end of our review and after.

Without getting into the specific details of the proposals, we agree with the companies’ calls for governments’ attention on practices and laws regulating government surveillance. Respect for privacy is deeply embedded in American values and laws, and the United States is the source of many of the privacy principles that underlie modern privacy regimes around the globe. We share the companies’ goals of ensuring that all nations live up to the letter and spirit of commitments to fundamental freedoms while ensuring the safety and security of citizens. We also agree with much of what is in the companies’ proposed principles, many of which we have long argued for. Indeed, we already are developing the details of how best to put these principles into action across a variety of proposals. As we have said repeatedly, we are committed to conducting intelligence activities with appropriate constraints, oversight, transparency and accountability.

We remain firmly committed to respecting the free flow of information around the globe and the support of interoperable frameworks for governments on the Internet, such as an improved mutual legal assistance treaty process. The President made these principles, and the critical role of multi-stakeholder governance, a cornerstone of his International Strategy for Cyberspace in 2011, recognizing that an open, interoperable, secure and reliable Internet is at the core of digital innovation and the long-term development of global economies and societies.

Through the coming weeks, we will be actively considering these companies’ concerns and other issues raised by the stakeholders we have met with over the last few months, as well as the input of the President’s Review Group.



http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/microsoft-president-obama-spying-citizens-undermin/ncGHf/

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
7. Yup.
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 05:38 AM
Dec 2013

When I heard that part about them "continuing the engagement thru the end of their review and after", all I could think was yeah, they're engaged all right. Corporations who allow governments access to private info complaining about privacy infringements just seems rather odd to me.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
11. Much irony in that letter
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 08:16 AM
Dec 2013

First that corporations are signing as if they are persons.

Next that over half of them are not much more than marketing intelligence corporations.

Also the notion that big corporations garner a response from the white house when groups like the venerable ACLU are ignored is shameful.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
2. Happy 5th
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 05:01 AM
Dec 2013

LBN thread here

Something weird is going on with the underlying petition - it had 3000 signatories already, now it's saying 300 again.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
6. I have a lvl 90 rogue and a raiding guild
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 05:35 AM
Dec 2013

so...pwnage

They won't be able to keep the truth from coming out. Reality, after all, has a well-known liberal bias. At 5.09 minutes in:

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
13. Hahaha! I hadn't seen that graphic
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 12:34 PM
Dec 2013

is that doctored or from an actual poll? Either way, indeed that was THE point of the speech. That, and "speak into your flower pots if you need a drink, and someone from the NSA will be right over" Oh, and his Oops about Valerie Plame. That speech at that time, it was eerie.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
14. It's an actual screen capture from a CNN poll
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 12:37 PM
Dec 2013

It had been hovering around 32% for a couple of hours and I got it when it hit 32.

I'm not sure who was more pissed, the shrub or darth.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
9. K&R
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 06:04 AM
Dec 2013

Nothing will change unless people stand up and say "No way, Jose!" And they are doing it, all over the world.

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